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ALL TRUMP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!
Cerberus.Hideka
サーバ: Cerberus
Game: FFXI
Posts: 742
By Cerberus.Hideka 2020-03-17 17:38:56
And Hideka
I think I actually know Hideka really. Aren't you on Asura now?
nah havent left cerb since the game launched in the NA.
By Viciouss 2020-03-19 10:30:06
Cite a Dem leader saying they are against the idea of sending out checks.
By Viciouss 2020-03-19 10:51:24
Then it should be easy for you to cite, since you just posted a tweet.
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By Viciouss 2020-03-19 11:00:13
Thats the best you can do? I didn't see Schumer even mention the $1000 check in the clip you provided. Try again.
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By Viciouss 2020-03-19 11:02:14
I see some woman named Heather Caygle tweeting out her opinion. Try again.
By Viciouss 2020-03-19 11:10:23
So, we are just gonna go with you are lying about Dem opposition to the Dem idea of sending out checks to Americans? Thats fine, I mean, we all knew you were lying when you said it. Rest assured, when the Dems write the bill, it will include their idea of sending out checks, and PLENTY of Republicans are going to hate it.
By Odinz 2020-03-20 03:57:06
So democrats aren't blocking the cheques, but saying expanding unemployment benefits would be better?
(they're saying it isn't enough. and they're right)
Call me crazy, but that sounds like a more effective solution seeing as a cheque is a one time thing, and an adhoc solution.
Addressing unemployment benefits would address everything, in perpetuity.
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Asura.Saevel
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9911
By Asura.Saevel 2020-03-20 09:24:38
Yeah was kind of a weird reversal of roles, because the President was immediately for payroll tax cuts and direct stimulus, the Democrats had to take the opposite position. The only thing the Democrats stand for is anti-Trump.
This is a very temporary situation, so I expect everything to be back to normal in six to twelve months, depending on what "normal" is to some people.
By Viciouss 2020-03-20 09:39:12
Yeah was kind of a weird reversal of roles, because the President was immediately for payroll tax cuts and direct stimulus, the Democrats had to take the opposite position. The only thing the Democrats stand for is anti-Trump.
This is a very temporary situation, so I expect everything to be back to normal in six to twelve months, depending on what "normal" is to some people.
Yeah this is ***. Just like kireek's attempts. Everyone was against a payroll tax cut and it got dumped almost immediately. Now everyone, and when I say everyone I mean the Dems, GOP, and WH has rejected McConnell's proposal, which is what i said would happen from the outset. It was a partisan effort and he couldn't even get a majority of his caucus to support it. Write it off, its gone. Look to Pelosi and Mnuchin to once again lead the effort.
Garuda.Chanti
サーバ: Garuda
Game: FFXI
Posts: 11402
By Garuda.Chanti 2020-03-20 10:55:10
Yeah was kind of a weird reversal of roles, because the President was immediately for payroll tax cuts and direct stimulus, the Democrats had to take the opposite position. The only thing the Democrats stand for is anti-Trump.
This is a very temporary situation, so I expect everything to be back to normal in six to twelve months, depending on what "normal" is to some people. Yeah... them payroll tax cuts are really going to help the hundreds of thousands who are suddenly out of work or under shelter in place orders.
DOA from both parties.
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Asura.Saevel
サーバ: Asura
Game: FFXI
Posts: 9911
By Asura.Saevel 2020-03-20 11:59:17
Yeah was kind of a weird reversal of roles, because the President was immediately for payroll tax cuts and direct stimulus, the Democrats had to take the opposite position. The only thing the Democrats stand for is anti-Trump.
This is a very temporary situation, so I expect everything to be back to normal in six to twelve months, depending on what "normal" is to some people. Yeah... them payroll tax cuts are really going to help the hundreds of thousands who are suddenly out of work or under shelter in place orders.
DOA from both parties.
Payroll taxes are to keep them at work by lowering both their own and their employers cost for keeping them. Employers pay about half a persons salary in taxes / benefits just to keep them around. So if your making 50K a year upfront, your employer is paying an additional 25K a year for you. Eliminating your position saves them about 75K a year, which is why China and India have been cleaning our clocks in labor costs. Reducing both the employee's and employers taxes both offsets the loss of business income and lower hours some are going to get.
Of course that's not the only thing that needs to be done, direct stimulus is also needed, these are not mutually exclusive concepts. Democrat faithful have very little idea how economics works so they think the cash given in a paycheck is the only money that exists.
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By Viciouss 2020-03-20 12:01:47
Payroll taxes are irrelevant if business are closed. There are no benefits to payroll tax cuts right now.
Shiva.Thorny
サーバ: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 2780
By Shiva.Thorny 2020-03-20 12:01:52
Dems are still clinging to the idea they'll win the election, and letting a bill being called 'trump bux' pass would be absolutely fatal to that.
Nothing wrong with the bill, but can't have orange man getting good press for it.
By Viciouss 2020-03-20 12:21:40
Dems are still clinging to the idea they'll win the election, and letting a bill being called 'trump bux' pass would be absolutely fatal to that.
Nothing wrong with the bill, but can't have orange man getting good press for it.
If there is nothing wrong with it, why did the WH, Dems, and GOP all object to it? McConnell couldn't even get his own party to support it. Nice troll tho.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-20 13:03:37
We already saw that literally bribing the people isn't good enough or Yang would be the nominee. He was offering 50 grand. and had less than a snowballs chance in hell so there's that.
By Viciouss 2020-03-20 13:06:53
Once again, the Dems have never been against the direct deposits, it was their idea, kireeks is lying. The Dems however, are focusing on income as well, not just a one or two time deposit. Trump isn't involved at all, the Dems aren't even talking to him.
Bahamut.Ravael
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13640
By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-20 13:08:08
We already saw that literally bribing the people isn't good enough or Yang would be the nominee. He was offering 50 grand. and had less than a snowballs chance in hell so there's that.
Apples to oranges. Yang wasn’t proposing a one-time stimulus.
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By Viciouss 2020-03-20 13:08:49
Also, McConnell is a joke, does he realize that no one has to follow his lead to get something done? If he doesn't give the Dems what they want, they can safely walk away and rely on Pelosi to do the job, again.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2020-03-20 13:11:13
We already saw that literally bribing the people isn't good enough or Yang would be the nominee. He was offering 50 grand. and had less than a snowballs chance in hell so there's that.
Apples to oranges. Yang wasn’t proposing a one-time stimulus.
He was offering 48 "one time stimuli" 48 > 1~2
Bahamut.Ravael
サーバ: Bahamut
Game: FFXI
Posts: 13640
By Bahamut.Ravael 2020-03-20 13:13:16
We already saw that literally bribing the people isn't good enough or Yang would be the nominee. He was offering 50 grand. and had less than a snowballs chance in hell so there's that.
Apples to oranges. Yang wasn’t proposing a one-time stimulus.
He was offering 48 "one time stimuli" 48 > 1~2
Exactly. It’s no secret that his plan wasn’t sustainable. That’s the difference.
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