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 Bahamut.Skald
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By Bahamut.Skald 2022-12-23 13:30:08
Our question is, does the add spawn the moment the boss becomes "active" or does someone need to do an action on the boss first? Our idea is, can someone "aggro" the boss, have the add spawn, then have someone else "pull" the boss away and the aggro person super tanks the add? If nobody did anything to the boss or add, then the hate table should be empty and it'll just be on whomever it first aggroed.
I can't speak to super tanking it but we ended up doing our Gigelorum with the intent of killing the first add at start of second entry. We were anticipating to push a WS or two or at the least having PLD claim until it came out but upon a face pull at 65% Gig immediately popped add.
Uncertain about who it initially went for as PLD flashed quickly. Also uncertain if this will work for a 75% second entry since it might hold true to the minimum 74% threshold? at least we assumed that was the case.
In the end it was a pleasant surprise and made it easy to grab gig and debuff/CC him away while add was dealt with.
 Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-23 14:20:14
Just as an FYI for anyone doing the "B-Team softening up" strategy
The Atonement 3 bosses carry the current aura level on a previous run into the next, whether it is removed or not. For example, if you get an aura on Kalunga on the first run and remove it with a 3-step SC, his next aura will require a 4-step SC > 5 step SC etc (not sure if there's a cap) to remove it. If you time out after removing the first aura on the B-team run, the first aura on the main party setup will require a 4-step SC; it does not reset back to the base level. This means you could have a harder time dealing with fetters and removing an aura on subsequent runs if the A3 boss upgrades too high on previous runs. It might be a better strategy to wait until like 4~ minutes or so until engaging the boss, and then chip it away, to reduce the chance that the B-team sees multiple auras and thus makes the A-team's job harder to remove auras during the main fight.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-12-23 15:39:03
if you get an aura on Kalunga on the first run and remove it with a 3-step SC It's pretty hard to get anywhere with aura up so this might just be an academic question, but do we know if the difficulty to remove goes up when the aura is started but not removed?
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By Asura.Hya 2022-12-23 15:41:40
if you get an aura on Kalunga on the first run and remove it with a 3-step SC It's pretty hard to get anywhere with aura up so this might just be an academic question, but do we know if the difficulty to remove goes up when the aura is started but not removed? As in the requirement to blue proc increases if you fail to successfully hit blue !! after red !!? No, it does not.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-12-23 16:05:40
No, as in you enter with team A, aura goes up, but you don't remove it before timing out and entering with team B. Does aura stay up, and does next aura increase past baseline requirement?
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-23 16:09:41
Yeah I kinda mentioned that in the first sentence. That's what happened yesterday. We timed out and didn't remove the second aura. The second fight he had aura available seemingly right away but it was at the current level (second, 4-step SC). It didn't upgrade to 5 step or downgrade to 3-step. It caught us off guard and we didn't end up removing the aura before it killed us.
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-23 16:16:44
Yeah I kinda mentioned that in the first sentence. That's what happened yesterday. We timed out and didn't remove the second aura. The second fight he had aura available seemingly right away but it was at the current level (second, 4-step SC). It didn't upgrade to 5 step or downgrade to 3-step. It caught us off guard and we didn't end up removing the aura before it killed us.
This is exactly how the V20's work. Just gotta plan to remove it quickly, also fetters are not bad if you correct elemental defenses up to mitigate them, just gotta plan around them.
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-23 16:21:32
I never did a 2-run phone clear on V20s, so I wasn't aware of that behavior, but good to know now.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-12-23 20:16:06
Has anyone gone in and done 3 runs on the same boss, but only done damage to the add on one of the runs? I'm curious if there is any chance damaging the add to a certain % still allows you to charge or if it is boss only
Asura.Baeron
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By Asura.Baeron 2022-12-23 20:20:20
You only get RP for damaging the boss at least 5%. We've done add-only runs, and you lose the charge.
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By Vaerix 2022-12-24 08:50:59
You only get RP for damaging the boss at least 5%. We've done add-only runs, and you lose the charge.
This is "damage boss 5% from what it began the fight at" from what I understand, if boss regens from 74-100 and you do damage to 94% or lower, no rp/amp charge.
Has anyone experienced this first hand to confirm?
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By Odin.Creaucent 2022-12-24 09:42:05
I would assume it needs to be at least 5% lower than what it started when you time out and if it regens back up then no RP. If it starts at 76% you need to get it to 71% or lower to get RP.
By Guyford 2022-12-24 10:11:01
It doesn't matter if it regens, you still get credit for however low you got it.
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By Shiva.Thorny 2022-12-24 10:37:26
Early on, there were reports of getting extra RP when you let a boss heal past a 5% threshold. This makes me think that they coded the RP award as a trigger for mob hp changing below a certain value. I wonder if you'd get rp for healing it 1 hp(or letting it regen 1 hp), then doing 1 point of damage.
Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-12-24 11:07:40
I'm 100% sure someone would've already tried taking a mob to 94 let it regen/heal it to 96, repeat till time out.
But everytime they change something there's a high chance they break something.
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-12-24 11:25:46
Quote: But everytime the change something there's a high chance they break something.
They also proved to us they don't do any testing on new content with the weaponskill wall patch. If the devs didn't know the wall was reducing all weaponskill damage by 90% for 10 seconds for the past two months since basement bosses came out then they couldn't possibly have tested the content firsthand. That's one of the very first things you notice when you try it. If they had done the vengence 25 fights firsthand it would have been impossible to not notice this was how weaponskills were working. The fact that they didn't know about it and let that kind of bug slip through playtesting proves there isn't any playtesting.
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Asura.Eiryl
By Asura.Eiryl 2022-12-24 11:29:52
Welcome to "figuring out the obvious 10 years later"
....All it took was them admitting it, great work detectives!
Lakshmi.Buukki
By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-12-24 11:42:43
Can test it right? Wouldn't be an exact RP match but could be visible enough to see if it works.
BST Purulent Ooze -> Time out > record RP
Do a Separate fight: BST Ooze
Wait for an aura + Purulent Ooze to wear off
Do a light/fusion/liquefaction to heal it for 99k
Do another Purulent Ooze > Time out > compare RP
If it's only a few RP difference, then the RP reward threshold mechanic is based on total damage dealt >=5% of boss's health and not in any way related to static monster current health % (94, 89, etc)
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By Asura.Illuminate 2022-12-24 13:16:24
Somebody said earlier to do the fight in 2 phones. It's honestly likely the safest and more consistent strategy. A softening-up run of something like WAR RUN BST SMN BLU SCH could alleviate much of the DPS check hurdle when going with PLD DRK COR GEO BRD WHM. You'd still be rolling the dice on Debilitating Spout, but having Kalunga start with ~40% less HP gives you a ton more time to play it safe with adds in the second run.
Also, one of the more common issues one-phone fights keep running into is hitting the hate ceiling. You can prolong the inevitable by splitting into 2 phones so you're not going from 100-0% on one boss, effectively cutting your cumulative hate down a good chunk. You can still cap in that shortened fight, but it's a lot less of a chance vs a full fight.
I've been talking about B-team strats for a while now. You still get a decent amount of buffs on a secondary team that I think a lot of people just ignore. Killer Instinct + Corrosive Ooze works on every single boss. Box Steps from Dancer and Heals, can even tank with Fan Dance. If using a RUN in a B-team strat, you can Rayke Unda and cheese Purulent Ooze, then only need to chip down 15~16% from whatever your other DD are. RDM has Dia 3, Haste 2 and all of the debuffs, greatly crippling any boss, and then you can just Bind the add or sleep the boss and time out. Summoner provides a good buff spread as well, and Night Terror should still deal decent damage on every boss. So a good B team doesn't even require GEO BRD COR, leaving those strong support jobs for the main setup, but allows for greater room for error in the A team setup.
I know it's not sexy and you won't get the bragging rights, but you'll get the clear much faster in a 2-phone approach vs 1. I don't think a 3- phone approach where you kill one add on the B/C team is going to be a thing, though. At least not on Atonement 3. The atonement 3 boss adds have the same resistances as the A2 bosses of the same type, and finding 6 people to field 18 jobs for a run just at the chance to clear one of those annoying adds does not seem like a fun idea. On Kalunga, for example, you'd need a C team to chip Kalunga to 74%, force add, then a B team to kill the add on a second run (using Blunt Damage types), then your normal A team for Kalunga. I just don't know if there's enough buffs for the B or C team to make that possible. I would be interested if someone thought that scenario through, cuz it made my head hurt just trying to figure it out (and that's before deciding which of the 6 players would play which job).
One other incentive to doing a 2-run fight is that you get RP for both visits. It's the same thing as entering twice from Rabao, but saves time on the zoning part. For Instance, doing 74% on first run could net like (throwing numbers out of the air) 2700, but the second run you could get like (idk here) 3800 or whatever it is for killing that boss. Which is more than if you lost twice taking the boss down to like 40% each time (I think). Could be wrong here, but the amp/rp thing is exacerbated in repeat fights.
For 1-phone fights that can realistically be cleared with a scholar - Caper Emissarius
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By Asura.Toralin 2022-12-25 07:18:15
We tried the Kite method on Gige and it was so much easier
PLD MNK WAR RDM COR BRD
keep grav on him DD follow him around, killed him with 3 min left. I think PLD not getting dispelled taking so much dmg helps tremndously with hate control.
one DD ate a dispel at 1% but other than that pretty smooth compared to standing in there eating his TP moves the entire time. DD were taking minimal damage with this as well
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By Asura.Toralin 2022-12-26 05:57:21
Anyone have any more strats/setups on Xeviso? I saw mischief's setup but little lean on the details of the setup
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-12-26 09:09:58
Quote: Can corroborate the difficulty dealing damage with just RNG and COR. Even with all the buffs (Minuets/Honor, Geo-Fury/Agi, CC Chaos/Sam). Timed out more than once at 40%, I can't imagine these two DDs dealing enough damage to push through double add Regen.
I'd like to bring our attention to Arebati again for a moment. I've only fought him twice now, but it was with two different groups and both times the results were the same as these guys described. The first time I went in I was only there to experience the fight, but the second time I paid more attention to the details and gear/buffs. The setup was the same as Veng 20 - Rune, Scholar, Igeo, Brd, Cor, Rng. I was on Igeo. Buffs were indi-agility and geo-fury at the start then switching to indi-barrier when the first add popped out, dirge, Victory march, a minnie and two minuets, and sam/chaos.
The ranger confirmed via /checkparam that his midshot ranged attack values hovered around 9000 before bolster. He had all his empyrean +3 gear and used the hands and legs in his midshot with the standard mix of malignance and other stuff to handle the add, and the corsair was geared pretty much the same. Both were using armageddon, and they alternated between last stand and detonator to avoid stepping on each others toes too much via the weaponskill wall. I couldn't find any fault with the sets anyone was using.
Long story short...we timed out before seeing the second add. The hybrid sets they used were mandatory because even with one add the incoming damage was really spicy whenever the piglet got a barrage of critical hits in during a short period of time. I suspect two pigs hitting someone at the same time can just outright kill them if they get lucky on critical hit stings, but tha's just how bad luck works I guess. We got magic evasion down aura so in this case the RNG factor wasn't a big issue, though it did affect the tank to some degree we persevered through it. But the damage just wasn't there....
I cannot fathom how in the nine hells we're supposed to actually kill this thing even with a two phone setup. With double add regen and double pigs incoming damage on the second team I'm not sure what you would compose the first team of to get him down to a low enough value that the second team can kill. Taking him down to just 75% on the first phone doesn't feel like it'll be good enough from the minimal experiences I've had with him. I can't come up with a good strategy to approach the fight. The DPS check is through the roof. Any thoughts or ideas from the community would be appreciated.
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By Asura.Nolano 2022-12-26 10:16:30
Regarding Arebati, we had the best luck using PLD to heal v20 while holding the raaz.
On v25, maybe a TP denial strat for the first phone, and then the standard ranged setup for the second would work.
WAR MNK DRG SMN BST SCH or RDM
RUN PLD COR RNG GEO BRD
Regarding the first fight, SCH if more healing is needed, RDM if more dps is required. WAR(impulse drive?) and DRG(stardiver?) would apply piercing, and MNK chi blast and mantra? Maybe? SMN and BST would alternate mewing and drainkiss. BST also killer instinct. Once the first add pops, the DRG would hold Arebati, I doubt gravity could be landed, and WAR and MNK would apply blunt to the raaz.
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-12-26 11:17:03
Quote: I doubt gravity could be landed
Gravity and defense down additional effects are wind based, so landing them on the ice lion isn't very likely.
Edit: Also, putting blunt damage into the raaz is pointless unless you kill it, so you're better off just focusing on taking Arebati as low as you can get him. Your first party is pretty underbuffed btw, and I question how much damage they'd be able to do. Arrebati's defenses are sky high. If a ranger and corsair both buffed to the gills struggle to do 60% I don't think that setup will be able to push out enough damage. I'd be curious to know what it's capable of if someone tries though.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2022-12-26 11:29:48
On v25, maybe a TP denial strat for the first phone, and then the standard ranged setup for the second would work.
WAR MNK DRG SMN BST SCH or RDM
RUN PLD COR RNG GEO BRD
This was more or less my thought also, although I don't think between the time it takes to pop the add and the amount of HP it has, you'll be able to kill the add in one phone. I would also reverse it, you'll need the damage at the last 40% from other piercing jobs. I don't think RNG and COR alone will be able to keep up with the regen.
Managing the dispels while keeping damage coming is tricky.
Maybe something like this:
KI1 : RNG COR SMN WHM GEO RUN
RNG/COR both DD, SMN buffs where they can, RUN tanks, WHM heals/debuffs, GEO throws down buff bubbles to help with the missing BRD. Could possibly put a SCH in place of the WHM and DRG in place of the RUN if you can Caper at the right time, but I would think keeping hate would be problematic (would help with damage but you'd likely get dispelled and that'd end it).
KI2 : BRD DNC WAR BST SAM PLD
Add should be out, so the BRD DNC WAR SAM TP on the add and WS the boss. I would expect boss hate to bounce around between the SAM and WAR, but with no TP moves going off it shouldn't matter too much. PLD heals, BST KI/TP drain. DNC keeps steps and sambas up.
If KI2 TP feed is too much, then maybe swap in the BST (use KI, keep Corrosive up) to KI1, then GEO for KI2 and put a SMN in place of one of the DDs to mewing. This would also buy you Purulent at the start of KI1, assuming it lands w/ Rayke/Gambit
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By Asura.Hya 2022-12-26 11:50:54
Anyone have any more strats/setups on Xeviso? I saw mischief's setup but little lean on the details of the setup Check the Discussion section of BGwiki for Xevioso. If you need even more details I guess I could add them. But I figured the basic stuff such as don't stack up/wear defensive sets/eat defensive food if applicable are obvious enough to anyone who has done the fight before.
As far as Arebati goes, it's still way too early to be calling this Absolute Virtue. All we have done is confirm that one previously used strategy is not clearing this iteration in a single attempt. I have not seen any reports of people trying TP denial method and failing, nor have I seen any reports of using more than one Moglophone to attempt this. This NM, as well as Ongo, are likely the best bets for doing a two-phone strategy, as their Aura procs are either typically ignored (as in Arebati) or easily hit (as in Ongo). Trying to do something like Kalunga or Ngai with two phones can lead to situations where it becomes either much more difficult or flat out impossible to proc them.
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By Bahamut.Lexouritis 2022-12-26 21:33:06
Killed Kalunga V25 with one moglophone, on Dec 24rth after 15-20 attempts or more. You really need a *** of luck to do this. You get the wrong auras, it's over. You literally need MAB aura both times, with uber players/zero mistakes or you are not winning or your chance of winning drops down super significantly, at least with this iteration below.
Setup was DRK RUN COR BRD SCH GEO.
Caper was required for us.
Hya's groups clear was proably even more *** of luck since they used WHM over SCH.
Literally had 3 seconds left on the clock.
Funny thing is, out DRK totally whiffed a Torcleaver at 10s left when it was at like 2% and their hearts dropped. Not sure if Misc will post a complete strat, we usually don't if there is an existing strat that wins previous to our wins. (I was not at this fight been to busy to even go with the group lately)
3 more to go, Tree and Lion probably gonna be horrible
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By Bahamut.Butmunch 2022-12-26 21:43:05
PLD, COR, BRD, GEO, WHM, DRK, got x2 1hs and a little luck but we won with a little over 5mins left the main key is keeping the cor brd and drk DDing, but both whm and pld healing works rly nice
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By Asura.Saevel 2022-12-26 21:53:39
Our plan with Kalunga is to use jobs like BLU / RDM and SMN to work it's HP below 75% on the first run.
Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
YouTube Video Placeholder Tried exploring, found more information
- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
YouTube Video Placeholder
More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
YouTube Video Placeholder Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »vortexes just said "you can't use this yet" Need to click Shimmering lights for access to some portals or not have aggro iirc. I may be wrong though Bahamut.Lexouritis said: » It rewarded me again with a box + 50k gil.
did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
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So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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