Destiny's Device - A New/Updated Rune Fencer Guide

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 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-09-09 05:13:40  
If you know a WHM with Gambantein might as well "waste" a run to check if Cursna works but I'm pretty confident if Holy Water with gear doesn't work, then no way Cursna will.

Probably there's a mechanic to proc that cancels the Doom, or maybe they want people to kite August so he never hits you, but I guess you guys already tested that he resists gravity/bind/shadowbind.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-09-09 05:16:41  
Asura.Sechs said: »
If you know a WHM with Gambantein might as well "waste" a run to check if Cursna works but I'm pretty confident if Holy Water with gear doesn't work, then no way Cursna will.
It's impossible for our group to get to that stage to test if we bring a WHM, sadly. It's a fair bit of RNG to spawn Teodor with add order and requires very good execution for optimal DPS to begin with, if we drop any dps/buffer we just cannot make the dps check.

Edit: Off topic, but I'm slowly getting around to updating the guide and gearsets with Odyssey/Sortie stuff. I been lazy the last few years ;p
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-09-09 08:41:22  
I am totally ignorant of the fight so dismiss anything im asking.

Is it en-doom on the first auto attack during a phase or is it every auto attack during a phase? I don't suppose blink tanking or even trying a NIN since most of those mobs have weird rules about shadows/blink and you already said that your comp is pretty much dialed in for dps checks. Same thing applies to fealty for PLD.
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By Valefor.Yandaime 2024-09-09 09:25:49  
Asura.Sechs said: »
If you know a WHM with Gambantein might as well "waste" a run to check if Cursna works but I'm pretty confident if Holy Water with gear doesn't work, then no way Cursna will.

Not to derail but I thought Gambantein Cursna was the ONLY 100% anti-doom available at this moment? Or is that out the window now?
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By Ragnarok.Creaucent 2024-09-09 09:30:14  
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
If you know a WHM with Gambantein might as well "waste" a run to check if Cursna works but I'm pretty confident if Holy Water with gear doesn't work, then no way Cursna will.

Not to derail but I thought Gambantein Cursna was the ONLY 100% anti-doom available at this moment? Or is that out the window now?

Its +100% of the base healing magic skill rate. So at 600 healing magic skill the base rate is 30% removal so Gambanteinn would be 60% base removal rate iirc.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-09-09 10:44:01  
Gambanteinn can get up to 100% cursna, without it it's only a % chance. You need 650 Healing Magic for this though (requires some ML, ~27 or so, depending on your ebers earring and Fanatic Gloves augments)

Base rate 10+(650/30) = 31.66 * (1+2.16)

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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-09-09 11:18:23  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Stuff like this makes me wonder just wtf SE intended players to do.

Evasion/parry/shadow tank. Not saying it's reasonable, but it seems they want you to either bring multiple tanks (one for earlier phase, one for later), or a tank that's capable of doing both.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2024-09-09 11:19:58  
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Stuff like this makes me wonder just wtf SE intended players to do.

Evasion/parry/shadow tank. Not saying it's reasonable, but it seems they want you to either bring multiple tanks (one for earlier phase, one for later), or a tank that's capable of doing both.
Teodor's melee hits are magical and aoe. None of those options will prevent him from hitting you.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-09-09 11:43:42  
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Ragnarok.Martel said: »
Stuff like this makes me wonder just wtf SE intended players to do.

Evasion/parry/shadow tank. Not saying it's reasonable, but it seems they want you to either bring multiple tanks (one for earlier phase, one for later), or a tank that's capable of doing both.
Teodor's melee hits are magical and aoe. None of those options will prevent him from hitting you.

Hmmm wasn't aware of that. Kite, use pets? Pretty rough.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-09-09 11:48:22  
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Hmmm wasn't aware of that. Kite, use pets? Pretty rough.
He cheats with speed hacks.
This is all I can show atm, I kinda lost some footage swapping PCs.
That's why I'm trying to mess with a Resist all set to toy with, who knows.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-09-09 11:55:19  
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He cheats with speed hacks.

So does Aita, but we kite him

To be clear, I'm not saying any of these things are reasonable, especially with a 6-person party, I'm just saying these things might be what SE expected
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-09-09 12:01:08  
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Asura.Shiraj said: »
He cheats with speed hacks.

So does Aita, but we kite him

To be clear, I'm not saying any of these things are reasonable, especially with a 6-person party, I'm just saying these things might be what SE expected
I fully agree they may have been considered, but in reality we can't change our comp up. Teodor resists Soul Voice Nitro Lullaby, elegy etc I doubt a Gravity would land even in the unrealistic chance you can even bring a RDM there and don't need Stymie elsewhere.

Just trying to think of cheese methods to nullify/absorb his stuff.

Edit: his auto attacks have a range of 25"~ range so yeah holding hate and kiting with GEO gravity just ain't realistic also.
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By Bahamut.Valafar 2025-03-03 05:55:41  
Hi folks, did a quick search for this but couldn't see much talk -- Does RUN get any interesting use cases for the TVR Gurebu's ring ( MND+10 Magic Evasion+20 All status ailment resistance +20 "Regen"+2 "Refresh"+2)?
Does "status ailment resistance" function like elemental resistance (ie Carrier's Sash) in terms for resist tiers? The MEVA is obviously nice too, though easy enough to stack elsewhere.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2025-03-03 06:30:19  
Status ailment resistance is a separate stat, it provides a % chance to evade a status ailment and applies to all (except stun? There are a couple minor exceptions, maybe terror also) status ailments.

The meva is also bis as are the refresh and (i think) the regen is tied for bis. It's a nice idle ring but kinda overkill/unnecessary, imo. If you ONLY play RUN and also never DD on RUN, maybe it's worth getting, but it's a hard sell imo.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2025-03-03 06:49:41  
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Status ailment resistance is a separate stat, it provides a % chance to evade a status ailment and applies to all (except stun? There are a couple minor exceptions, maybe terror also) status ailments.
There are.. a lot of exceptions. It does work on stun though.

In general, you can expect it to work on anything that there's a job trait for, and almost anything that has "Resist <statusname>" gear. For example, resist curse is not a job trait, but there is gear for it and resist all does work.

A good example of things it does not work on is effects like stat downs. attributes/acc/atk down, HP/MP/TP down, etc. Elemental DoTs like burn and such. And likely any really niche or weird debuffs.

Terror, as mentioned, is a good example of an exception to the general rule, because there is "resistance against Terror" gear. But resist all doesn't work on terror.

Btw, Tenacity pretty much works just like Resist all gear, and on the same things.

This is a good reference for what works and doesn't. Though it is not a complete listing.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Resist#Status_Effect_Resistance

Also worth noting that the effectiveness of status resist gear/traits is halved vs NMs. And caps at 90%. You can still cap vs NMs though, it just takes 180 in traits/gear to do. The cap seems to apply after the NM nerf.
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By Bahamut.Valafar 2025-03-03 09:40:37  
Thanks both, great info!
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By Bismarck.Nekhekh 2025-03-08 18:54:07  
What trusts are you guys using and where are you going to EP/JP. I am averaging about 400 DPS so I've been going to Dho Gates.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2025-03-10 10:31:30  
Solo CP/EP sounds like a special kind of hell that an incredible number of players subject themselves to.

I got most of my CP and a lot of my early EP by pulling for Aeolian Edge parties in Dho Gates. Lately most of my EP comes from segment farms & Peach Power.
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By Cerberus.Dekar 2025-03-10 10:49:03  
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Status ailment resistance is a separate stat, it provides a % chance to evade a status ailment and applies to all (except stun? There are a couple minor exceptions, maybe terror also) status ailments.

There are a few wacky exceptions to what is and is not covered by "Resistance to all status ailments" (Tenacity). This is the most up-to-date list of testing that I've done. The Resist page on BG wiki is slightly out of date now:

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/52250/resist-testing/6/#3591025

Resist! Terror and Resist! Death seem to function differently. They are not covered by Resist! All, only their individual resistances on gear. Also, they're not cut in half on NMs.

Bahamut.Valafar said: »
Does RUN get any interesting use cases for the TVR Gurebu's ring

I mainly play PLD, healers, and other support jobs so I choose Gurebu's Ring. It's certainly a hard sell to most people, but I've been happy with my decision. I'm still in the process of gearing RUN, but I'm excited for what the ring offers. This set will cap Resist! Paralyze while Pflug is active. While it's niche and sometimes difficult to gear for, I've managed some success with various Resist! sets. Though Ambu bodies are often necessary for many of them.

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121 Resist! Paralyze (In gear and NOT using an Ambu Cape)
15 Resist All (Tenacity job trait)
45 Resist Paralyze (Pflug without merits)
50 DT & 25 PDT II
You can also get away without having Gurebu's Ring as there's alternative options.
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By Asura.Evihime 2025-03-11 17:58:29  
Hello everyone, im just back after a while and im a bit rusty, I didnt find anywhere, is there a guide for rune usage on sortie bosses?
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By Asura.Pergatory 2025-03-12 10:06:36  
Asura.Evihime said: »
Hello everyone, im just back after a while and im a bit rusty, I didnt find anywhere, is there a guide for rune usage on sortie bosses?
A/E = thunder runes

B/F = depends on his hand element, thunder = stone runes, wind = ice runes, or go for a mix in case he changes mid-fight.

C/G = this one is personal preference whether earth runes to resist stun (which is the more common ailment by far but some people say magic evasion doesn't help on) or fire runes to resist paralyze (far less common but equally annoying, boss's paralyze can't be removed so I'm unsure if magic evasion works against that but I believe the fetters can also sometimes paralyze and it should work against that).

D/H = Take your pick. I seem to recall using wind runes a lot to resist his Slow move because he freaking loves that move more than life itself (ask any RDM and they'll know, Haste2 rarely survives this fight).

Aminon = I'm assuming anyone who brings a RUN is magic bursting so you'll start with 3x light runes and use Pflug to try to survive his death move. After that change to dark runes for Gambit/Rayke.
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By Ragnarok.Martel 2025-03-12 15:39:50  
Asura.Pergatory said: »
Aminon = I'm assuming anyone who brings a RUN is magic bursting so you'll start with 3x light runes and use Pflug to try to survive his death move. After that change to dark runes for Gambit/Rayke.
Pflug doesn't work on death. Neither does any other from of resist all, like the resist all ailments gear stat or Tenacity. If you want to have a chance to resist death, it'll be coming from Resist Death specific gear only. So, for RUN that's Shadow Ring, Warden's or Eiwhaz, and Samnuha coat. And the resist death moglification(Adenium Pot.) Stacking all of that will have you resisting death a bit over half the time. I wish there was more gear for it.
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