Let's Start A Riot?!?!

Naturally.

Still not seeing how protesting police, but not protestings gangs is hypocritical.

One is a position of authority being abused, the other is an actively combated criminal organization.

commenting, and hoping to stay within the realm of discussing the protests and why I find your comment off target. Will do my best to avoid politics, as much as this situation allows.

We as citizens enter into a social agreement known as taxes. We agree to pay such taxes with the understanding that they will be used for functions necessary to preserve a stable living environment for those citizens.

One of those things we agree upon is law enforcement, from police forces to the legal aspects of crime and punishment. In other words, I pay taxes to ensure that the law enforcement put in place provides a safe and stable living environment for me, my family, and my colleagues.

If there are adequate supplies given to that law enforcement, they are expected to do their jobs. If I were to protest gangs killing people as you say, I would protest the law enforcement NOT DOING THEIR JOB, not the gangs. If I get food poisoning from a banana I bought at Target, I *** to Target, not the farmer.

But if the law enforcement my taxes pay for is improperly doing their job, my only recourse is protest. I cannot go shopping for a new police force the way I can shop for a new grocery store if I don't like that one. I can't stop paying my taxes to a shitty police force the way I won't buy a car from a shitty dealer. And I can't just ignore them the way that I ignore a bad TV show I don't want to watch.

Because more murders occur by gang members than by police. Yet, you are only focused at an incredibly few and select examples of bad cops.

Never mind that there are black cops who murdered white people. Where's your protest for that? How about Hispanic cops murdering white and black people? Or even black cops who murdered black people?

Remember, I said murder, not "justified deaths". That's another aspect of your "protest" that you know nothing about (well, you and a few others here).

Well, technically you can. It's called moving to another area/state.

If there is a will, there is a way.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I'm just pointing out one thing.

You've also, somehow, missed that while George Floyd's murder was the trigger, the entire backbone of these protests have been about overall police brutality.

The cops, of course, doing themselves huge favors by beating the ***out of peaceful protesters and foreign news casters.

And you are also ignoring any debate as to what constitutes change and solutions, and openly support mayhem and discourse.

Look, I agree with you, the current system of bad cops being protected and allowed needs to go. I think that there is some police brutality (not as much as being portrayed by the media and by some people on this thread), and I support all changes that reduce said brutality. I also think the way some police officers are handling this situation is wrong and unhelpful, but at the same time, I also think the rioting and looting is also wrong and unhelpful.

I have yet to see you condone condemn the actions of the looters and rioters. In fact, it seems like you support them.

But still, tell us all, do you protest the murder of David Dorn? Do you even care?

Edit: stupid auto-correct.

I mean, I would *** hope so.

Also, that gap is not nearly as small as you'd think. In 2019, there were about 1,800 gang-related deaths. Police killed 1,099 people.

Also, gangs aren't paid with tax dollars.

Gangs don't enjoy immunity to prosecution or comfortable pensions after 22 years. Not really apples to apples here.

Still waiting for someone to quote where I've supported rioting and looting. Good luck finding something that doesn't exist.

And, again, naturally. Rioters suck ***. Glad they've got nothing to do with the peaceful protesters and make up a minuscule percentage of the people showing up to the protests.

Shame the cops are too busy maiming innocent civilians to stop the rioters and looters.

Strange, what I'm seeing is that, in 2012 (the latest data available, it seems) gang-related deaths was 2,363, with it increasing each year. I wouldn't doubt if it hit 3k in 2019. And that's with a 83% respondent rate of jurisdictions surveyed.

Sure, that's not a large increase, but it does widen the gap a little.

Wrong. The largest complaint being made right now isn't about the brutality amazingly, its about the power of police unions to protect their own, even the bad among their own.

Joe Schmo works for Prudential as an accountant. But he's a really shitty accountant, and his colleagues have had to fix his numbers for 6 different clients. But Joe keeps working for Prudential, moving up the chain, regardless of being a shitty accountant. That would never happen in a real company that relies on making money to survive. But when something is funded completely with tax dollars that cannot be withheld due to bad performance, and you can't even fire the bad workers because the union is so strong they'll just 100% strike a PUBLIC SERVICE if even one member is fired FOR CAUSE, there is no accountability for performance.

That's what's being protested- that fellow citizens we give EXTRA power dont' have to follow the same social rules the rest of us do, and they even get extra privileges while not having to follow the same rules the rest of us do.

Fair, but obviously not all 1,099 of those were unwarranted. Maybe not all 1,800 of the gang deaths either (self defense may have played a part in some).

I think the word you're looking for is "condemn."

...somehow I think that's a dig at me....

Yeah, stupid auto-correct >.>

If you want to see what cops have to deal with and why they have to kill people, watch the body cam footage on youtube.

It will redpill you pretty quick.

I love how Rooks drops in from time to time to cut through all the ***. His posts are the only redeeming aspect of this thread.

My question is, how many of those deaths made by police officers were classified "unjustified deaths"?

Obviously George Floyd's death is an unjustified death. But would a death caused by a suspect shooting at police officers be considered justified? Because it's included in that 1,099 number, and that's misleading.

I will legitimately never read another comment of yours and see logic behind it until that statement is revoked. There is NEVER justification for killing. And prior military here, I'm not some white lily snowflake.

Those who speak on killing being justified have never killed.

You are correct, and I hope I never will.

But honestly, do you agree or disagree that it's acceptable, if it is to save a life, to end another who is taking lives? Given the few milliseconds you have to decide to do so or not.

I want to see all beat cops no longer issued lethal methods of force. Stun guns, rubber bullets, etc are all capable of immobilization to allow arrest in situations where they face lethal resistance.

Have tactical units that are only sent out in warrant situations that justify such force, and such force can only be allowed via court order, not orders from within a police force.

That's my "answer" about "can you justify taking a life to save a life". Its not a great one, just the best I can offer.

In terms of lethal force used in warfare, we should NEVER be comparing law enforcement to warfare. Our citizens our never our enemy. Maybe misunderstood, maybe angry and need open discourse, but never our enemy.

If someone comes at you with a knife and wants to end your life you'll let it happen? If someone breaks into your house in the night and starts attacking, stabbing and beating you, you'll say you had a good run and wish your murderer well?

I 100% stand by what I said, if someone comes at me with intent to kill me I'll protect me life. If a cop pulls someone over and that person pulls a gun on that cop, that cop should shoot him dead and be happy he did it. A wounded person can still kill you, a person that pulls a gun can kill that cop in seconds.

Block away, I don't care. If you value others lives above your own, you do you. Even animals know what self preservation is, you must live in a real sweet area man. Congratulations.

Hold up a minute. That’s too broad a brush stroke here. There are absolutely times in self-defense and in saving the lives of others where lethal force is legitimately the only safe and realistic option.

all that just for a pair of shoes. :|

What kind of shoes are we talking about ?

Damn that's a good suggestion.
Won't stop all the instances of excessive brutality that's for sure, but at least we'd see a decline in unjustified deaths from police shootings.

air jordans i believe

I'm totally in that melee for some Air Force Ones.

if the police won't kill in self defense, others or are unable to ~ gun owners will do it themselves

https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-man-take-out-gunman-west-freeway-church

Hi Commodus.