Offhand Katana

As general +15% multiplier it can be applied in various places in calculation. I just wrote I applied it to fTP in case I would be forced to show screenshots.

Its doesnt matter if you calculate it like that:
fTP * 1.15 * pdif * BaseDamage or (fTP * pDIF * BaseDamage) * 1.15 or (fTP * 1.15) * pdif * BaseDamage etc.

Just to prove it on simple numbers:
fTP 10
pdif 3
Base Damage 100

10 * 1.15 * 3 * 100 = 3450
(10 * 3 * 100) * 1.15 = 3000 * 1.15 = 3450
(10 * 1.15) * 3 * 100 = 11.5 * 3 * 100 = 3450

Well Im not sure where game applies it, but since it was tested to be 15% multiplier, it doesnt really matter where you include it in calculations, assuming you will do it right. I just wrote where I applied it, because If I would post screenshot without that note and you would see 12.79375 fTP instead of 11.125, it could be confusing I think.

The main reason I like to list it last is so when doing the math you can see what the Naegling/REMA is actually contributing to the outcome as you map it out step by step. You could condense it but as Simon points out that confuses people. I think it’s cleaner to just look at it last for its contribution.

Well, depends where? I dont think I ever noticed LS having macc problems outside of Wave3, but fomors are simply very resistant against dark element specifically (Same as Omen bosses for example, thats why you dont use LS there unless with some SUPER macc buffs ideally with Rayke). Same for TF on mobs that doesnt resist light specifically. NIN has 3 hybrid WSs. :Chi being the best, but if earth is resisted you can still try Ice and Water. Also if we are talking about comparison for wave 3, then Im not sure if Naegling/Hitaki is an option there at all. Even with accuracy gear, Hitaki will have accuracy problems there and when Hitaki is not an option, Naegling is not an option too.

Did you factor in Boost STR? I added prints to all of the stats you provided and the only one that stands out is the difference in STR. I also didn't use 0 fSTR. But that's still not 10K worth of damage.



Edit: nevermind, I found it. I had a parentheses off one index so weapon skill damage was added to the damage instead of multiplying.

what are ur dps numbers with dagger +1 with tens?

you would know as he clearly wrote in in parenthesis to explain why he did it
Quote: "Applied 15% Naegling bonus here for 12.79375 fTP"


Normal is a dangerous value to use.
Normal people dont get percentage vs percentage points that well.

Saying it "in the end" it not necessarily correct either if we do look into the order of factors in the code. I dont think anyone really know if it applied in the beginning, the middle, or the end, coding wise. We just know how the results are and built a fitting model.

also I cant answer you why people are saying stuff they are. but im guess the add any NEW factor introduced as "in the end" cause that how they would write it down in their model and/or it makes it easier for people that are not that well with understanding math to get its a separate factor.

the bottom line is still
The math was correct.
You questioned it. you got the explanations



you said you get and then you ask a question indicating you dont.
It does not matter as long as as in individual factor in a row of factors.
There is no difference. That is how math works

Its like asking if a zebra is black with white stripes or white with black stripes.

Really shouldn't confuse anyone
1: understanding multiplication is middle school stuff.
2: it was clearly noted. In case somebody failed middle school

And if you have been on this forum enough that’s exactly the conclusion you would draw.

Interesting to do not see anyone mentioned Kunimitsu (Maybe I have over read it) but this is the one I use in the moment I need to Magic Burst for example Sortie. Main is either Kikoku or Heishi .. depends on situation.

Perhaps because Sheol Gaol T3 and—by extension—Kunimitsu didn't release until February 2021, two months after the last post on this thread.

Kunimitsu didn't exist back then, Svele.

The list in that first page is still somewhat relevant but I would personally remove some options add add instead these 3 ones:

1) Kunimitsu
2) Gleti's Dagger
3) Crepuscular Knife


I think they're all pretty close, Gleti's might be ahead for pure DPS but it depends what you're doing.
My favourite choice personally is Kunimitsu because of how versatile and "all arounder" it is. It's pretty good for physical DPS, it gives racc for Daken, it has magical stats for bursts and hybrids and so on.

You were actually looking to find THIS instead

It Lists Kunimitsu repeatedly nonstop even when WRONG.

As in TP Bonus Magian is #1 Offhand for Chi / Ten
Kunimitsu is NOT the #1 Offhand for Chi / Ten so yeah

Kunimitsu is not even close to matching Magian Offhand.
Nothing Gear Swap wise increases WSD via 10k+ except Magians
Not even Nyame R30 is such a drastic Upgrade to WSD

TP Bonus is just as OP for Chi / Ten as it is for Savage Blade
— Just an FYI for those whom just Copy what they are told to use