Treasure Hunter Proc Rate Testing -TH 8 Versus 14
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Treasure hunter proc rate testing -TH 8 versus 14
1 More question about your data collection, is the first hit the "tag" hit removed? or can you proc TH9 on that hit? not sure I have ever seen that myself
I'm not sure how his data are structured, but you can absolutely hit TH9 on the first swing, I've done it a billion times, including/especially when using SA for the first hit
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I have tank (bots) pulling mobs for the THFs to engage, so THFs don't strike idle mob anyway. Every hit the thfs do is logged, including first.
TH5: Code Upgrade 5->6 25,24,5,15,5,72,4,17,12,7,1,85,19,3,45,27,35,2,2,5,86,8,14,2,2,8,16,9,7,9,4,5,31,20,25,32,2,3,29,12,55,61,162,24,68,60,47,36,14,97,6,13,3,6,40,2,20,5,31,32,49,20,7,55,2,4,23,12,16,18,23,34,17,22,7,47,12,12,26,35,21,13,2 Upgrade 6->7 31,93,7,81,24,67,78,24,17,24,36,6,65,28,4,17,8,24,21,87,31,148,119,34,138,20,39,41,32,7,5,11,63,77,79,72,12,68,68,22,83,39,84,106,4,21,43,39,7,74,95,1,32,85,11,23,36,46,23,33,17,20,84,58,38,1,8,59,20,79,3,14,1,40,109,7,69,24,42,159,30,78,28 Upgrade 7->8 84,218,9,105,136,38,78,121,183,31,83,174,79,194,1,25,2,35,10,72,22,38,96,26,91,20,26,40,113,118,18,130,125,11,131,101,76,25,4,41,17,224,64,29,59,24,20,150,29,51,57,128,14,178,10,66,16,16,292,3,57,86,36,115,70,103,84,71,20,356,127,93,91,407,30,195,54,141,121,20,247,72,29 Upgrade 8->9 58,31,10,23,59,33,19,5,1,57,13,19,5,6,76,30,25,27,35,25,9,3,8,13,53,57,16,38,11,8,14,14 Upgrade 9->10 64,6,15,80 TH8(includes earlier sample) Code Upgrade 8->9 12,18,51,64,48,5,11,16,3,78,10,6,30,16,42,65,23,7,4,10,5,127,6,26,20,15,20,11,6,18,15,20,34,15,9,37,14,30,4,17,39,33,8,4,20,35,20,48,16,4,6,60,11,4,6,28,10,41,5,1,6,52,12,34,5,47,14,5,5,11,6,14,4,48,1,30,14,50,2,57,15,11,3,21,48,4,47,27,35,11,16,8,60,31,58,11,10,52 Upgrade 9->10 36,32,65,18,90,2,87,155,43,22,41,8,40,8,18,99,72,13,2,56,22,6,4,69,26,28,48,158,30,36,61,4,39,4,10,8,22,42,22,11,31,92,16,67,7,4,70,14,97,57,10,122,107,26,37,20,6,4,10,9,55,3,34,3,9,187,75,16,7,55,24,15,11,52,104,82,271,44,290,93,105,38,193,41,23,3,24,14,48,77,31,11,24,10,61,20,39,11 Upgrade 10->11 168,165,232,58,151,69,97,123,84,389,27,88,8,251,5,158,3,142,464,29,65,164,115,399,432,20,10,6,43,130,5,9,128,27,2,70,29,124,53,26,53,7,283,103,98,81,38,157,33,36,48,69,62,17,66,142,158,354,144,58,238,77,63,120,185,25,24,19,50,56,66,23,42,48,30,67,193,9,29,298,25,75,14,57,180,320,18,64,35,2,126,44,228,58,78,110,32 Upgrade 11->12 38,489,108,81,389,22,762,501,396,69,92,68,34,112,270,7,42,11,11,15,47,36,10,19,21,87,5,86,5,65,17,65,56,48,52,31,36 Upgrade 12->13 415,10,125,301,691,163,23,571,28,516,313,42,373,597,398,1815,26,8,4 Upgrade 13->14 181,730,14,195,760,434,643,202,334,284,7,198,210,447 Summary(includes prior TH8 data): 
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » I'm not sure how his data are structured, but you can absolutely hit TH9 on the first swing, I've done it a billion times, including/especially when using SA for the first hit It's slightly wrong how he worded it, he meant the first proc into TH9 on the first swing.
TH zone bonuses allow th10 on the first swing (the first proc) tl;dr?
I also believe you can trigger TH9 on the first SA or TA hit if you have never hit the mob before. Not sure about TH9 on the first melee hit though. tl;dr is that data is up for interpretation, but it seems very unlikely TH over 8 ever matters in any circumstance
TH15 data (added today's sample with early kills): Quote: Upgrade 8->9 74,4,3,24,3,97,19,16,5,79,10,6,45,1,59,4,9,45,51,21,2,3,40,40,9,1,25,6,5,9,4,19,26,28,5,12,12,10,25,4,84,13,11,42,42,19,7,9,13,11,3,2,27,9,48,30,21,6,8,29,4,29,18,4,31,5,18,20,26,26,11,12,23,2,3,18,19,5,7,2,61,8,27,9,13,34,41,3,20,30,30 Upgrade 9->10 32,27,32,15,38,34,124,153,48,22,41,8,12,16,59,25,55,12,65,7,4,29,6,58,17,73,33,24,11,105,15,31,44,196,72,55,16,5,24,29,13,15,12,65,19,6,34,22,83,63,59,22,37,32,27,8,55,47,23,2,15,67,3,17,99,1,13,19,133,47,10,43,252,5,7,117,51,3,3,51,3,12,42,36,41,18,22,129,13,16,7 Upgrade 10->11 85,8,375,179,108,115,44,128,89,402,26,87,87,4,107,257,96,80,233,114,174,118,26,62,60,179,67,110,95,21,53,70,21,18,62,14,20,54,260,205,85,147,10,231,14,108,38,200,19,21,39,306,301,166,34,79,120,83,274,37,160,35,8,56,152,21,78,133,91,42,99,186,27,44,428,138,300,28,205,17,127,232,24,31,258,67,406,264,28,68,10 Upgrade 11->12 12,108,37,169,35,211,150,550,402,72,92,68,127,370,133,55,98,254,108,6,36,39,40,5,27,50,10,59,10,12,22,37,3,17,14,19,60,35,40,30,65,73,113,41 Upgrade 12->13 16,305,58,812,249,546,908,565,28,514,316,42,426,54,442,767,10,125,57,59,16,55 Upgrade 13->14 100,24,315,286,118,14,431,652,203,338,288,7,504,419,479,26,178,729 TH8, Lv8->9 Mean hits: 22.9796 95% CI: 18.7766 to 27.1826 TH8, Lv9->10 Mean hits: 46.5918 95% CI: 36.1508 to 57.0328 TH8, Lv10->11 Mean hits: 100.0309 95% CI: 79.8099 to 120.2519 TH15, Lv8->9 Mean hits: 20.3626 95% CI: 16.3046 to 24.4206 TH15, Lv9->10 Mean hits: 39.6813 95% CI: 30.8893 to 48.4733 TH15, Lv10->11 Mean hits: 114.1538 95% CI: 93.3108 to 134.9968 None of these present enough difference for me to assume they are distinct rates, and while TH15 technically performed better on lv8->9 and lv9->10, it performed worse by almost as much on lv10->11. The 95% CI shows plenty of room for them to be completely equal.
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Me looking at that early data:
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Shiva.Thorny said: » tl;dr is that data is up for interpretation, but it seems very unlikely TH over 8 ever matters in any circumstance None of these present enough difference for me to assume they are distinct rates, and while TH15 technically performed better on lv8->9 and lv9->10, it performed worse by almost as much on lv10->11. The 95% CI shows plenty of room for them to be completely equal. When you gonna see if more TH increases the chance of SA or TA proccing? This seems far more important now. K123 said: » When you gonna see if more TH increases the chance of SA or TA proccing? This seems far more important now. It's pretty unlikely that it does, given we already see the same sort of deltas. A more meaningful test would probably be to try to get a better estimate of how much SA and TA actually increase the proc rate, and whether they stack(feint as well). Not that big a deal to code SA and TA tests, but it will take considerably longer to get meaningful data. Not planning any tests over the holiday either way, though. Quote: Exactly what I thought it shows without several pages of arguments.
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Least this can be easily referred back to when this pops up a yr or two later
Nariont said: » Least this can be easily referred back to when this pops up a yr or two later Yeah, camate literally told us the answer 10 years ago and despite being referred to still wasn't good enough. Asura.Eiryl said: » Yeah, camate literally told us the answer 10 years ago and despite being referred to still wasn't good enough. The reason isn't that we weren't aware Camate said it, but because their wording is always shaky and they never seem all that aware of the systems they're reporting on. I must have missed that one, last bit of info i got was a vague "well TH+ gear should increase rate of upgrade" but no real numbers behind it, which just left it to others to waste the hours collecting data showing otherwise
Nariont said: » Least this can be easily referred back to when this pops up every 6 months "well that was last year maybe it's different now"
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/27974-TH-Procing?p=377001#post377001
was the post in question, and it didn't specifically mention whether the 'cap' could be exceeded for this purpose they almost never outright answer things in a useful manner, which is why people question it the TH limit announcement itself was: Quote: An upper limit has been set on the effects of Treasure Hunter. This adjustment has been made in light of the future introduction of equipment enhancing the effects of Treasure Hunter. Upper limits of Treasure Hunter including the total of bonuses provided by equipment, atma, and job abilities. Thief Treasure Hunter +8 * The limit will be raised to +12 as normal when under the increased Treasure Hunter effects granted through thief autoattacks, Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, and the ranger ability Bounty Shot. Non-thief jobs Treasure Hunter +4 the wording is just ***all around, which left a lot of ambiguity. Shiva.Thorny said: » Asura.Eiryl said: » Yeah, camate literally told us the answer 10 years ago and despite being referred to still wasn't good enough. The reason isn't that we weren't aware Camate said it, but because their wording is always shaky and they never seem all that aware of the systems they're reporting on. edit: I just now realized how Byrth speculated a TH8 cap at the time: I forgot about Atma and theres a TH+1 atma available in Abyssea. But appealing to authority on something when this same authority put Fencer+4 on Boii Cuisses +3 is quite the move.
Given that the drop rate of ultra rare items is sadistically low even with TH4 they should just let THF be able to tag TH14 on the first hit
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