Enwater And Dahaks
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enwater and dahaks
We got a halo with dahaks on 4th floor today and our SCH said having enwater on prevents them from doing null song. we tried it, he did accession enwater, we didnt even sleep them, and none went off. Wondering if this was luck or is it true?
Its not about null song. Enwater (any water damage in general) simply reset their TP, so they can't TP move at all.
They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong.
Coincidence? Asura.Sechs said: » They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong. Coincidence? Who said anything about them doing other TP moves? I don't see that in question. Also water damage doesn't block nullsong and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater). SimonSes said: » Asura.Sechs said: » They claim they were using TP moves regularly, like Body Slam, it's just that it was never nullsong. Coincidence? Who said anything about them doing other TP moves? I don't see that in question. Also water damage doesn't block nullsong and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater). I told him in our LS discord before asking here. A body slam did go off. Laboob said: » I told him in our LS discord before asking here. A body slam did go off. That would just be sheer luck that it was Body Slam. As Simon mentioned, water damage just resets their TP. You likely got TP'd by the one that was idle attacking your tank the longest without anyone damaging him(resetting TP via enwater)
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Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated.
Learned this from wtf in vanadiel. Sylph.Funkworkz said: » Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated. Learned this from wtf in vanadiel. Must be the longest Amnesia effect ever then. I went to Mount Zhayolm and hit Dahak 156 times with 1dmg sword with enwater and took it down to 24%HP. Turned away and 18 min later I still wait for it to tp move. The original JP information that we're telephoning here indicated that water damage reduced their TP by some fixed amount (not a full reset).
SimonSes said: » Sylph.Funkworkz said: » Enwater gives them amnesia, so no it isn't tp reset. If it wears off, they will tp immediately since they will have tp accumulated. Learned this from wtf in vanadiel. Must be the longest Amnesia effect ever then. I went to Mount Zhayolm and hit Dahak 156 times with 1dmg sword with enwater and took it down to 24%HP. Turned away and 18 min later I still wait for it to tp move. For what it's worth, the jp wiki says water damage reduces their tp by 300. It also says that if you silence them (since that blocks the song tp moves) they gain a regain effect of 150 tp per tic while silenced.
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waffle said: » For what it's worth, the jp wiki says water damage reduces their tp by 300. It also says that if you silence them (since that blocks the song tp moves) they gain a regain effect of 150 tp per tic while silenced. This seems accurate and would explain my testimony SimonSes said: » (...) and also it's still possible to overcome that TP reset if enough people feed it with tp and not enough people reset TP with water damage (for example only one person having enwater).
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It's plain TP reduction, tested on Drk with Absorb-TP.
Fire also feeds them 500TP per hit, using 4x Fire 1 made it always use a TP move. And Subtle-Blow also effects TP feed from nukes. Code 19:42:34[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:42:34[Wotasu] 0 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:42:39[Wotasu] Aero ¨ Dahak 19:42:39[Wotasu] 782 Aero ¨ Dahak 19:42:43[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak 19:42:44 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep) 19:42:54[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:42:54[Wotasu] 20 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:01[Wotasu] Fire ¨ Dahak 19:43:01The Dahak is no longer asleep. 19:43:01[Wotasu] 360 Fire ¨ Dahak 19:43:08[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:08[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:12[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:12[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:16[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:16[Wotasu] 80 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:20[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:21[Wotasu] 773 Water ¨ Dahak 19:43:24[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak 19:43:25 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep) 19:43:35[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:35[Wotasu] 0 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:40[Wotasu] Fire ¨ Dahak 19:43:40 The Dahak is no longer asleep. 19:43:40[Wotasu] 399 Fire ¨ Dahak 19:43:44[Wotasu] Sleep ¨ Dahak 19:43:45 Wotasu Sleep ¨ Dahak (asleep) 19:43:55[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:43:55[Wotasu] 250 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:44:45 The Dahak is no longer asleep. 19:44:47[Dahak] 10 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:44:51[Dahak] 29 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:45:03[Dahak] 18 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:45:12[Dahak] 30 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:45:17[Wotasu] Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:45:17[Wotasu] 250 TP Absorb-TP ¨ Dahak 19:45:19[Dahak] 12 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:45:22[Wotasu] Water ¨ Dahak 19:45:23[Wotasu] 778 Water ¨ Dahak 19:45:24[Dahak] 18 hit ¨ Wotasu 19:45:36[Dahak] 27 hit ¨ Wotasu
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Asura.Wotasu said: » It's plain TP reduction, tested on Drk with Absorb-TP. Fire also feeds them 500TP per hit, using 4x Fire 1 made it always use a TP move. And Subtle-Blow also effects TP feed from nukes. Thanks for confirming. I vaguely recall an ambu month where we had to kill a Dahak using enwater to curb his TP gain. I knew it wasn't any form of amnesia or plague because if we had too many people on it, it eventually TP'd regardless. Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them?
https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts Ragnarok.Martel said: » Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them? https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts Ragnarok.Martel said: » Hmmmm. I wonder if you can keep the Enwater enchantment from these after unequipping them? https://www.ffxiah.com/item/14992/water-mitts Just tested Water Mitts and just like Blizzard Gloves mentioned above, Enwater is kept even after swapping them out.
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Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess?
Hmm, yeah, 30 seconds before use is kinda brutal.
I wish SE would just remove all of those delays. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess? Ragnarok.Martel said: » Hmm, yeah, 30 seconds before use is kinda brutal. I wish SE would just remove all of those delays. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Just made and tested the water mitts, the enchantment does stay on even after you remove the gloves. Unfortunately not too many good melee jobs can use them...MNK BRD BLU I guess? yeah, with the delay on them and the limited job selection (BRD and RNG? only being viable meta seg farm options), i guess its only viable with a SCH/RDM in the party. Scroll of instant enwater, {where?}
If we are talking Odyssey and zooming floors, I can't see waiting 30sec+ for item use acceptable.
I'd say keep using scholar enwaterga on Dahaks is a decent conclusion. Get the PLD to use Cancrine Apron’s Aquaspike before pulling the dahaks
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Cancrine_Apron_%2B1 Asura.Nalfey said: » Get the PLD to use Cancrine Apron’s Aquaspike before pulling the dahaks https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Cancrine_Apron_%2B1 Nice item. Except i doubt it would be as predictable as everyone in the party having enwater. The tp they gain is mostly from being hit. Considering their attack speed and tp/hit vs the melee swings done on them, I’m sure they’ll still gain enough TP to null song or Body slam. Especially if not 1 shotted. The best solution is DRG w Naegling. One shots with Savage before any TP move ;) (even at 4th floor, especially with circle active).
hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help
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Quote: hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help Not sure if this is a serious or troll post, but either way. The discussion is only relevant to Dahaks. Spiders and any other mob family are not affected by enwater like they are. Bahamut.Belkin said: » hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help
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Bahamut.Belkin said: » hi all i try enwater spider still use TP move plz help SimonSes said: » The best solution is DRG w Naegling. One shots with Savage before any TP move ;) (even at 4th floor, especially with circle active).
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