Mog Bonanza

Crep/Twilight can be mixed to receive the Reraise effect.

Crepuscular Cloak can drop in trove while the detritus or cats eye can not afaik.
I don't know the prices on your server but my gut feeling says you can buy a trove cloak for less than what the alexandrite stage of a mythic would cost.
The question is do you still need a mythic to improve one of your jobs. Never owned a cat's eye so can't comment if the info on wiki is valid.

Crep cloak is rare like a fabrege egg.

Alex can be bought off the AH.

W.Areuhat over Cats Eye

*** nyzul.

You can see people trying to sell it from a trove drop somewhat "frequently". I'm convinced if you'd make a thread to make it known that you're in the market for cloak you'd have one within a month.

Meanwhile twilight cloak will do.

Never seen it. Maybe on the big servers.

I feel like Nyzul skip is always the rank 2 choice, its sendable and everything else can be obtained a lot easier and in less time relatively. You could argue for the c. cloak and mail but really there are alternatives that work fine. Skipping literally 7+ hours guaranteed of work because its a slog boring event where you just kill fodder, I can't see a better choice.

I don't think the debate about r2 is all that clear cut. Say alexandrite is 300k/stack, that's 90m for a mythic, roughly, meaning you're equating (with good nyzul runs) 7h = 90m. You make 13m/hr? Doing what activity?

Now, for some people gil isn't valuable anymore, but for the person who has 0 mythics (or very few, to the point that they want/need to skip part of it), gil is very much valuable, especially when they still need to buy beitetsus and swarts.

Now granted if it's on a mule you can't take cats eye, but you could make the same argument for the "buyable" stuff like crep cloak. If it sells for 100-200m (idk, nobody sells that ***on Carbuncle), then it seems clear that unless you're making 15m/hr, nyzul isn't the best skip.

95% of the people here probably wouldnt sweat 60 million gil vs doing 10 hours of Nyzul. And no, "wouldnt sweat" does not mean "give it away for nothing".

Anyways, selling 22+ (the + is previous months potential overstock) stacks of alexandrite every month is annoying, alongside the 12+ 100 pieces, 9+ stacks of bayld, 6+ stacks of Beitetsu, 1+ stack of HMP, 4 dross, 4 cinder, 6+ stacks of boulders, 6+ stacks of pluton, and if you get that much HM/GA, the 4 marrows and 2 scoria. Thats a lot of auction house managing. Take a bit of the pressure off and give the shinies to the stupid rat instead.

I think I've seen maybe 2 Cloaks being shout sold during free campaign and I wasn't monitoring shouts constantly. Prices for this and similar items (crep dagger, helm and armor) seemed to be somewhere between 25-50 mil if I'm not mistaking.

Now you're looking at it at a gil/hr perspective. Lets factor time in. Gonna use Asura price values, but it may differ by server.

Your average Ambu takes about 10 minutes from entry to KI re-acquisition, is that a fair assessment? If you do nothing more than one VD ambuscade per week with seal, you'll get 43200 HM and 18000 GA per month (presuming VD with a full pt). For 40 minutes a month, you'll get:
1750 Alex from HM (26250 HM, to turn in)
3 Riftdross (13500 HM, 1.2 mil)
172 Bronzepiece (3440 HM, 688k, obviously sell as a Silverpiece)

450 Alex from GA (6750 GA, to turn in)
1 Riftdross (1500 GA, 400k)
1 Riftcinder (1500 GA, 300k)
90 bronze (1800 GA, 360k)
90 Byne (1800 GA, 342k)
90 Shells (1800 GA, 315k)
15 HMP (2800 GA, 560k)
1 Beitetsu (1/10300, gotta start stockpiling for Oboro)

With your 4.1 million gil from selling extra Ambu loot, you can buy another 10 stacks of Alexandrite and have some extra to homepoint around. So every month, for 40 minutes of effort, you can get 3190 Alexandrite. Sure, it'll take you 10 months to finish, but if were trying to value someones time spent overall, 400 minutes of quick Ambu for alexandrite >>>>> 600 minutes of boring as *** Nyzul.

Furthermore, I highly doubt someone whos in such a position that they need to consider taking Cats Eye for financial reasons would be in a position to finish their mythic and get the 10k beitetsu and 6 stacks of Swarts within a week either.

I would get Crep Cloak because I'm burned out on over 500 VD Shinryu without drop, and the only 2 times I've ever seen a Crep Cloak sold on Asura it was ~200m

With that said, I don't want/need any other mythic.
If I did, I would totally support Ninja's and Draylo's reasoning.
Skipping Nyzul is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than skipping Alex, imho.

At least that's what I think in general.
I have a few LS mates who had accrued so many nyzul points they had enough for a plethora of mythics.
Also I guess Nyzul is a bit less bad when you have a Mule.
That way you use the mule's points to go up and your main gets full points.
What really kills my motivation is that even if I do 9k or 10k nyzul runs solo, then I have to remove 1900 points from each run because that's how much I spend to go up.
If you have a Mule to do that instead well... nyzul accruing suddenly becomes much faster I suppose.

The argument "just buy the cloak" doesn't work outside Asura. That ***don't get sold. You cannot buy what no one is selling.

You can choose to get something you *can* buy off the AH, or something you cannot buy at all and may never see again.

It's not like 2000 Cloaks get sold every day even on Asura anyway.
So it's a weak argument to begin with.

Nyzul grind solo is stupid. With 3 characters (people or otherwise), you're spending 1900 every third time to go up, which is negligible.

I say it in every thread but seriously people: get some friends. I've never done nyzul solo, even with 2 or 3 boxes, its horribly inefficient. I've done a metric *** of nyzul with 3-5 characters (2-4 players) and it's not bad at all. You don't have to do 10 hours in a row either...I typically do 2-4 runs at a time, get kinda bored of it, and move on to the next thing. Or do nyzul runs between your einherjar cooldowns, as a distraction between assault books, right before you log off, etc.

I'm not gonna try and sit here and pretend it's the most engaging thing in the game, but pretending it's the worst way you could possibly spend 1 hr/night for a week (and be done with it) is being a bit dramatic, IMO.

Thats 10 minutes in nyzul for most of us

"Time limit: 5 minutes remaining"

>>No big deal, I can sneak in one more floor

"activate all lamps"

>>large map
>>First lamp seen "Runic Lamp 5"
"Must be activated in a specific order"

>>Time out
>>12k tokens lost and 30 minutes wasted

We've all had this happen atleast once

Doing a few hrs of nyzul is way less painful that grinding out 70+M gil (or farming the alex yourself in salvage or w/e) I only have 1 mythic and I earned most of my points when nyzul was fresh and relevant content, but I've helped friends so not sure how many tokens I even have now. Doing it once in a while feels fun and nostalgic anyways. (def. not grinding it though)

Also seems way more fun than spamming the same fight over and over again for something that'll never drop.

Although I think I'm gonna do shinryu a few times over the next week or so, maybe I'll get lucky (yeah right....), then I'll adjust what I pick accordingly.

then again maybe I'll just get miasmic pants or 300 plutons >.>

I literally wrote up how you can get the alexandrite needed doing nothing more than one VD ambu a week

I saw, i'm pretty patient, and if i were doing it that way if I did 1 nyzul run after ambu I'd finish nyzul well before the 10 months it'd take to get the alex.

Not that it matters, I appreciate the opinions, obviously we all have different things some of us find more unbearable than others. (plus with ambu some have annoying fight mechanics or just finding people to do it with can be problematic, or people have the wrong jobs for meta strats)

My sense is if you took a 1000 characters and said cannonball run style come back with enough gil for 30k alex, the nyzul tokens or a crep item, the few folks who get lucky with drops (or HQ craft) would likely finish first (since there's 0 ways to short cut tokens), and there's probably a few players who can more consistently make that kind of gil quickly enough, although to be fair that's probably a least an hr of camping the AH for 303 stacks of alex and more time trading the rat, (maybe 10% of the nyzul time?) but no one doing tokens would finish in the bottom half.

Eh, I dualbox it a lot and don't mind that. I once did a past mythic on my main and not on the alt, but still brought the alt to my Nyzul runs. That gave me a nice token cushion on the alt for the future, and that's the character whose points I always use to go up to floor 96 (even when going with friends, so none of us have to spend any of our own points). So, spending points is a total non-issue for me, and would also be a non-issue for anyone else bringing an alt with points to spare and/or who isn't making their own mythic.

I often like to do stuff like Nyzul on my own time without bothering my friends. Sure, I'll absolutely do 3-4 player parties when people are around and also wanting points for their own Mythics, but for me it's frequently something I'll do when it's like midnight Pacific time and there aren't many people around, or as a spur of the moment decision where I'd rather just hop in and play for a half an hour without coordinating with anyone else. I also want my friends to continue to like me, and begging them to come get Nyzul points with me when they aren't in Mythic mode sounds like a good way to be annoying lol.

Personally, my main already has Crepuscular Helm and Cloak (both from AMAN Trove), and I would have grabbed Crepuscular Mail had I won a rank 2 this Bonanza on any character. But if I already had all the Crepuscular gear I wanted, Nyzul skip would be my next choice on a mule rank 2 marble. It really is nice that the Wyrmseeker and Eyepatch are POL sendable if you don't want/need the rare sendable armors (also including Omen bodies, Null Masque, maybe even Tartarus Platemail or Malignance gear).

Kinda wish they'd adjust the Cat's Eye (and Dense Cluster and Bayld Crystal) to also just be POL sendable.

The only adjustment I want is to be able to convert 99 alex into a "Dense Alexandrite Stone" or some crap, and then 300 of those to a Cat's Eye... add a 2nd Qiqirn in the hallway to convert same way the goblins in beastmen zones do for dyna currency...

This seems like the most basic quality of life change they could add.

To be honest, if they let you convert both ways, it'd solve the POL sendable problem as well. 2 birds, 1 stone

How do you see the number of the lamp? °-°

Yesssssssssssssssssssssss. HP Bayld too, no good reason not to.

And while we're talking about Mythic stuff, would it kill them to let us buy Zeni with Copper Vouchers? Yes, I'm standing in front of a Naul right now as I type this...

You can still rename them in the DAT files, it just doesn't tell you anything other than which entity it is. Order's still random in a way you can't cheat.

(seeing "5" first guarantees the worst-case scenario, since it can be 3, 4, or 5 order lamps)

It does tell you that there are 5 though, which is useful information to know (how many to look for, etc)

NI really isn't bad if you have a single other real person and a mule. Do old NI and start at level 95 (96?). Mule stays at the rune, you and a friend run around and do the missions. You both go jobs that can kill quickly without engaging, have movement speed, and have easy access to sneak/invis (e.g. BLU/DNC, COR/DNC, BLM/RDM). When you get good at it, you will get 20k+ tokens per run. Probably done in 8 runs including the warmup, which takes about 4 hours. Split it across two nights.

Compare this, if you will, to doing Ambuscade for Alexandrite.

20k a run consistently? Doubt. I don't even think I've gotten more than 15k consistently with 1 other real person and a mule at lamp, unless you're flee hacking everywhere.

Don't have to do ambuscade for alex when you get it with Gil. Its still a slog no matter what way you look at it, thats only if you get two other people or at the minimum a mule at the lamp. A lot of people don't have that and have to solo it, thats an even bigger slog which brings that 7~10 hr estimate way higher lol. I dont even think the C cloak is required for anything, so twilight is fine, but I guess it could be argued.

Without factoring in port up cost and badge bonus, 20k token reward involves pushing all the way to floor 141 with 3 chars.

You're not doing 45 floors on average come the *** on man the math aint mathing. I'm not saying its impossible to hit, but that will take a lot of "specified enemy", "code lamp", 2 "specified enemies" next to each other and no "avoid gears", "5 order lamp", that one big map thats like 30 rooms large.

Byrth was probably being hyperbolic, guys....An honest tokens run from 96 to floor 32, nets you ~15,085 tokens.