FFXI Sortie: A Beginner's Guide To Locating Gems

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FFXI Sortie: A Beginner's Guide To Locating Gems
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2023-11-07 14:53:01  
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I know this isn't serious advice for beginners, but it is worth a mention. Puddings have a strong healing move, so you need solid firepower to do this in a timely manner. However, if you are in a strong group and wanting to farm Starstones, it is 1-2 extra chances per run. Killing 15 Flans gives a reason to pull those in the first room. By the time those are dead, Naakuals will have (or be close to) spawned. Depending on time after Naakuals, and if the Bitzer is in the Pudding Room, you could choose to kill the rest, or you can exit and do the devices in F, G, and H.

I was being serious haha.

Like everything in Sortie it depends on which job you're on.

I mostly do solo runs on COR as a returnee (2020-era gear, DP and ML~20, R0) and I make sure to clear the puddings every run, not just for the blue chests but you get around ~2k muffins for clearing them out too. They die pretty fast with a 3-4 step SC and the entire room can be cleared in under 5-10mins for me.

Starstone drop rate from chests is so bad... getting an extra 1-2 blue chests per run should pay off in the long run.

Yeah, but you're a badass Corsair with the best guide on this entire forum, lol. The average returnees should probably not be considering this right away, unless they know they have the damage.

I mean you got to start somewhere for goals. You can do non-combat runs and get 5 blue chests just from running around IF you have basement access. But if you're having trouble with the flans you're probably also having a hard time with the D mobs because the D mobs can actually kill you and link aggressively.

Yep. It all depends on the individual or the group and what they want, so objectives should be determined before each run to maximize. Fomors are not bad to kill with physical damage, but they are dangerous in numbers, while Flans prefer magic damage. Absolute beginners will likely seek Sapphires, easy Gallimaufry, and to get used to the area. Fairly new players may try to maximize Sapphires, while thinking about Starstones from F & G.

After a while, it becomes about beating at least 1 or 2 major bosses per run for Gallimaufry, along with Naakuals and other objectives for Starstone chances. And then finally, when Starstones aren't needed, it is all about major bosses for maximum Gallimaufry. There are stages dependent on what players have, and how confident they are in doing objectives. It should be stressed that players fresh to Sortie should not try to run before they can walk.
Any experience with BLU soloing the 15 flans? I'm looking to adjust my solo run. I end with ~8500 muffins and 8-13 minutes remaining after objectives depending on mini/bitzer location. I already have an AoE magic/trust set prepped for A (leech) magic kills, so hopping down to E and cutting some other time wasting objective to guarantee I have 15+ minutes shouldn't be difficult.
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2023-11-07 15:41:45  
I wanted to try this, but never got the opportunity to.
Interested in your experience.
Aural drape probably very valuable in this case.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-11-11 21:47:59  
I provided three updates to this guide today:

1) Earlier this week, I was doing a run and found the Obdella NM northeast of the large Leech room while checking Wide Scan. After we finished A boss, I saw that it had roamed southwest in to the Leech room. Because of this, I updated the NM map and added another line in to the entry on how to find the Obdella.

2) I added a section on how to get entry for, and how to defeat the C boss Skomora. This is recommended for inexperienced groups who may want try two Major NMs on the ground floor for extra Gallimaufry and Sapphire chances. However, it must be stressed that the group needs the damage to do this safely, so they must bring decent melee players, buffs, and heals. I won't be adding any more Major NMs to this guide.

3) And finally, I added a bolded note about opening chests for temporary items while outside of party. Do not do this! You will regret it. Also, don't open chests with NM items while players are disconnected, or they won't get them! So again, don't do this.
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By Sylph.Kojako 2023-12-02 05:13:24  
Greetings all

Slightly off topic but an observation from a sortie beginner.
On todays run I received an old case from the first objective - killing five acuex. Initailly thought i must have killed obella but that was not the case.
Anybody else experienced this ?
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By Bahamut.Noscrying 2023-12-02 07:01:53  
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Greetings all

Slightly off topic but an observation from a sortie beginner.
On todays run I received an old case from the first objective - killing five acuex. Initailly thought i must have killed obella but that was not the case.
Anybody else experienced this ?

All objectives and NM's can drop cases.
(Well all non, teleport/weaken boss objectives)
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By Taint 2023-12-02 08:15:47  
Sylph.Kojako said: »
Greetings all

Slightly off topic but an observation from a sortie beginner.
On todays run I received an old case from the first objective - killing five acuex. Initailly thought i must have killed obella but that was not the case.
Anybody else experienced this ?


Blue and Red drop cases. Basement objectives have better item rates.
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By Seun 2023-12-02 20:14:15  
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Basement objectives have better item rates.

Facts?

If so, how much better? My data is skewed because I open far fewer chests in the basement than above it. It seemed worse to me for stones and cases. Drites I figured were universal.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-12-02 21:22:50  
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Basement objectives have better item rates.

Facts?

If so, how much better? My data is skewed because I open far fewer chests in the basement than above it. It seemed worse to me for stones and cases. Drites I figured were universal.

Just from my observation, basement chests are more likely to drop old cases than ground floor chests. However, ground floor chests do not drop starstones, as they drop sapphires instead. I can also say I have never seen an Old Case +1 on the ground floor, but have seen several in the basement. Octahedrites seem fairly common in the basement. I don't have any numbers to back this up, though.
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By Seun 2023-12-02 23:17:38  
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I can also say I have never seen an Old Case +1 on the ground floor, but have seen several in the basement.

Greater majority of my +1 cases came from the ground floor. I always assumed that the rates for cases, +1 cases and -drites were static. Starstones seem to have lower rates than Sapphires, but again this could just be exaggerated due to having opened so many more ground floor chests.
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By Asura.Vyre 2023-12-03 15:38:57  
I actually got my first +1 box from the red obdella chest last night.
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By K123 2023-12-03 16:22:58  
I've gotten one from A boss at least once
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2023-12-03 17:04:17  
Just for clarity, I said "just from my observation". I have no hard numbers to back that up, it's just what I have experienced after farming the ground floor a lot, and then switching to doing basement objectives more. It could very well be a static drop rate across all the floors, but in my experience, I've had more +1 cases from basement, but maybe I'm just luckier in those areas.
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By Seun 2023-12-03 19:17:05  
I don't think anyone is calling you out for misrepresentation, we just had different experiences. That's why I lean toward a static drop rate for blue/red chests. I've also had some very streaky runs where I go a few runs with nothing and then it randomly rains cases and stones.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-03-08 19:52:02  
It has been a while since I made this guide, and I occasionally get some sharing their gratitude for it. My group remains focused on Dhartok & Naakuals, so I just wanted to leave some tips here to save other groups of a similar level some time.

After entering A basement (E), take note of the timer, and then stand at the gadget until exactly 5 minutes have transpired. You can buff while you wait. This spawns the Naakuals so they will be waiting for you after Dhartok. If your group is using a Scholar, you can potentially kill Dhartok using Tabula Rasa and have time left over for additional buffs (like another Embrava) before heading to Naakuals.

Make sure the Corsair gives you Cutting Cards as this may, but won't always, lower your Tabula Rasa timer, to make it ready again for the 2nd set of Naakuals in B basement (F). You simply need one person to leave this basement and re-enter to spawn them. Bring a tank who can pull the 2nd set with job abilities, because spells will aggro nearby elementals.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-08-01 16:27:11  
Nine months after initially sharing this, I have taken it upon myself to add a section on getting permanent key items to make traversing Sortie easier. Yes, I am aware I already had Velner’s video and maps, but I took it upon myself to explain what is required while adding my own maps to bring consistency with the rest of the guide.

I fired this out in a few hours, so please forgive me if I missed anything. It is my hope this is helpful to returning players getting in to Sortie. You can see the new maps below, although I would not suggest (unless you already know the content) using them without the guide. Enjoy!







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By trinironnie 2024-08-03 03:42:34  
I've been reading your guide, I multi-box a group that I think I can kill a few bosses with. Would you happen to have a rundown of beginner strategies to accomplish this? I've joined random groups and attempted to write down paths but I always get confused in the runs. ABCEFG might be possible, but I need to write down the path / objectives to accomplish this. Something like below.

A - Magic kill x5 / Touch Door / Cast spell @ A > Kill Boss

B - Kill 5 Elements > Kill Boss
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By Taint 2024-08-03 08:49:17  
Having multi-boxed my unfair share of sortie runs I always found it most efficient to do AE,CG. BFDH are time sinks. Running around the zone with 4-5 alts behind slowed me down a ton. You can then do Aurum, easy downstairs chest and Naaks/Flans etc.

I know people do 8 boss with their alts but they are maxed out and use scripts/tools. I think they also do mage strat for the most part.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-08-03 09:57:33  
Confused by the ask Trini, are you asking about an efficient path to include extra small objectives? I wouldn't worry about trying to add in a bunch of little things like casting spells, getting naked, etc. You can do them, but the 200 muffins you get will be absolutely miniscule compared to killing the bosses.

Firstly get down:
Magic kill 3 A enemies, Kill A boss
Kill 5 B enemies including at least 1 WS each, kill B boss
Magic burst 3 C enemies then kill then, kill C boss

Kill Botulus while mostly WSing from behind, kill E boss
I'd skip Naraka because of his dispels, weakness, etc. but if you want, kill Naraka, then kill G boss
Kill F boss

If you want to add extra stuff, I'd say:
Respawn C enemies before entering C basement
Get naked before entering A basement
Self-cast at the A teleporter
/heal in the area after the gate in A
/hurray at B teleporter
5 kills in A (I'm not sure this one's worth the time spent, personally, but it could give a case)

You could also add upstairs mini-bosses or naakuals into this run if you have extra time but I don't think you probably will. Just have to judge it as you get a feel for how much you can do in a run and how well your run is going. I'd focus on the bosses though because they're worth 20x as much as even the best mini objectives.
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By trinironnie 2024-08-03 10:08:26  
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Confused by the ask Trini, are you asking about an efficient path to include extra small objectives? I wouldn't worry about trying to add in a bunch of little things like casting spells, getting naked, etc. You can do them, but the 200 muffins you get will be absolutely miniscule compared to killing the bosses.

Firstly get down:
Magic kill 3 A enemies, Kill A boss
Kill 5 B enemies including at least 1 WS each, kill B boss
Magic burst 3 C enemies then kill then, kill C boss

Kill Botulus while mostly WSing from behind, kill E boss
I'd skip Naraka because of his dispels, weakness, etc. but if you want, kill Naraka, then kill G boss
Kill F boss

If you want to add extra stuff, I'd say:
Respawn C enemies before entering C basement
Get naked before entering A basement
Self-cast at the A teleporter
/heal in the area after the gate in A
/hurray at B teleporter
5 kills in A (I'm not sure this one's worth the time spent, personally, but it could give a case)

You could also add upstairs mini-bosses or naakuals into this run if you have extra time but I don't think you probably will. Just have to judge it as you get a feel for how much you can do in a run and how well your run is going. I'd focus on the bosses though because they're worth 20x as much as even the best mini objectives.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes this was the rundown I was looking for THANK YOU <3 ! For the respawning C enemies before entering basement, what would that be for?
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-08-03 10:12:53  
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Confused by the ask Trini, are you asking about an efficient path to include extra small objectives? I wouldn't worry about trying to add in a bunch of little things like casting spells, getting naked, etc. You can do them, but the 200 muffins you get will be absolutely miniscule compared to killing the bosses.

Firstly get down:
Magic kill 3 A enemies, Kill A boss
Kill 5 B enemies including at least 1 WS each, kill B boss
Magic burst 3 C enemies then kill then, kill C boss

Kill Botulus while mostly WSing from behind, kill E boss
I'd skip Naraka because of his dispels, weakness, etc. but if you want, kill Naraka, then kill G boss
Kill F boss

If you want to add extra stuff, I'd say:
Respawn C enemies before entering C basement
Get naked before entering A basement
Self-cast at the A teleporter
/heal in the area after the gate in A
/hurray at B teleporter
5 kills in A (I'm not sure this one's worth the time spent, personally, but it could give a case)

You could also add upstairs mini-bosses or naakuals into this run if you have extra time but I don't think you probably will. Just have to judge it as you get a feel for how much you can do in a run and how well your run is going. I'd focus on the bosses though because they're worth 20x as much as even the best mini objectives.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes this was the rundown I was looking for THANK YOU <3 ! For the respawning C enemies before entering basement, what would that be for?

(if you haven't already) I'd recommend looking this over. There's a lot of VERY good and well-documented info on BG wiki on just about every chest in Sortie at this point.

To answer your actual question though, it's Chest #C5.
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By trinironnie 2024-08-03 10:14:30  
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trinironnie said: »
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
Confused by the ask Trini, are you asking about an efficient path to include extra small objectives? I wouldn't worry about trying to add in a bunch of little things like casting spells, getting naked, etc. You can do them, but the 200 muffins you get will be absolutely miniscule compared to killing the bosses.

Firstly get down:
Magic kill 3 A enemies, Kill A boss
Kill 5 B enemies including at least 1 WS each, kill B boss
Magic burst 3 C enemies then kill then, kill C boss

Kill Botulus while mostly WSing from behind, kill E boss
I'd skip Naraka because of his dispels, weakness, etc. but if you want, kill Naraka, then kill G boss
Kill F boss

If you want to add extra stuff, I'd say:
Respawn C enemies before entering C basement
Get naked before entering A basement
Self-cast at the A teleporter
/heal in the area after the gate in A
/hurray at B teleporter
5 kills in A (I'm not sure this one's worth the time spent, personally, but it could give a case)

You could also add upstairs mini-bosses or naakuals into this run if you have extra time but I don't think you probably will. Just have to judge it as you get a feel for how much you can do in a run and how well your run is going. I'd focus on the bosses though because they're worth 20x as much as even the best mini objectives.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes this was the rundown I was looking for THANK YOU <3 ! For the respawning C enemies before entering basement, what would that be for?

(if you haven't already) I'd recommend looking this over. There's a lot of VERY good and well-documented info on BG wiki on just every chest in Sortie at this point.

To answer your actual question though, it's Chest #C5.

Thank you ! I'll attempt a run today and see how far I get.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-08-03 16:02:54  
trinironnie said: »
I've been reading your guide, I multi-box a group that I think I can kill a few bosses with. Would you happen to have a rundown of beginner strategies to accomplish this? I've joined random groups and attempted to write down paths but I always get confused in the runs. ABCEFG might be possible, but I need to write down the path / objectives to accomplish this. Something like below.

A - Magic kill x5 / Touch Door / Cast spell @ A > Kill Boss

B - Kill 5 Elements > Kill Boss

I am glad you got some help with this, although I must stress that my guide is meant for absolute beginners, so I won't be delving in to how to kill multiple bosses per run.
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By trinironnie 2024-08-04 11:00:43  
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
trinironnie said: »
I've been reading your guide, I multi-box a group that I think I can kill a few bosses with. Would you happen to have a rundown of beginner strategies to accomplish this? I've joined random groups and attempted to write down paths but I always get confused in the runs. ABCEFG might be possible, but I need to write down the path / objectives to accomplish this. Something like below.

A - Magic kill x5 / Touch Door / Cast spell @ A > Kill Boss

B - Kill 5 Elements > Kill Boss

I am glad you got some help with this, although I must stress that my guide is meant for absolute beginners, so I won't be delving in to how to kill multiple bosses per run.
I thank you for your guide, I used your guide to get all my chrs access :)
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-09-22 15:18:40  
Added the super cool and clean maps provided by Tetsouo of Carbuncle to a new section dedicated to extra resources in the guide. Enjoy!
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-12-12 21:50:59  
I have been talking to players who haven't began farming gallimaufry, but are starting to feel like they need to do so more efficiently. Would there be any interest in a guide about farming it in a mage setup?

Yes! I know you can do it melee way, and the most elite players will always recommend doing it that way, but for players who aren't super well geared and coordinated, I'd always encourage them to lean on the mage setup until they are more confident, geared, and have the experience.

Please let me know if this would be something players would like to read.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-12-13 16:12:16  
I have some time over Christmas to work on something. It would be an extension of this guide, so will assume any players reading it have tried some of what was mentioned here.

There will be less going over the basics, so hopefully there won't be as much to cover. And of course, some of what I learned was from tips shared by other players in this forum, and I'll mention those threads when it makes sense. Naturally, not every group is the same, and I'll think about that as I make it.
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By syzak 2024-12-13 19:00:00  
I'd be interested in both melee and mage guides for all the bosses. Went into H for the first time and got slapped silly. Have yet to try F. If you have any advice, our group is typically SAM / COR / BRD / GEO / WHM / RDM. We also couldn't figure out how to get Metal H chest to drop from the NM if you've got a more clear description than what's on BG wiki
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2024-12-13 19:26:35  
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I'd be interested in both melee and mage guides for all the bosses. Went into H for the first time and got slapped silly. Have yet to try F. If you have any advice, our group is typically SAM / COR / BRD / GEO / WHM / RDM. We also couldn't figure out how to get Metal H chest to drop from the NM if you've got a more clear description than what's on BG wiki

I would love to suggest melee strats, but I don't have the experience to back it up. And I have yet to get the metal in H, so I'm sorry but you'd have to find that answer elsewhere.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-12-13 19:37:53  
The key to metal H is *** metal H, don't go for it.

Kidding, but it's really time-consuming, best case. You have to do shitloads of low damage WS while the mob is at low HP. It could take 10+ minutes and gains little or nothing in terms of win chances.

Just my opinion, do whatever boats your float.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-12-14 07:20:36  
syzak said: »
I'd be interested in both melee and mage guides for all the bosses. Went into H for the first time and got slapped silly. Have yet to try F. If you have any advice, our group is typically SAM / COR / BRD / GEO / WHM / RDM. We also couldn't figure out how to get Metal H chest to drop from the NM if you've got a more clear description than what's on BG wiki

In this setup, Can’t do kite strat as you can gravity it/them very well but you can’t have enmity control. So, i would imagine the SAM solo for tp feed reason. swapping SC according to proc and Zerg away. Put RDM or geo on proc duty. Hyper buffing a DD is a very useful method. Try different subjob for buff, even the COR going in for couple steps is -5-7% def and step away will help. Elaborating on that i would suggest to have the WHM work on PLD for down the line and the SAM on DNC, give your group a 2-3 month time, that would put you in great tracks for the future.

The mage is very strat safe as well, but only bring you so far, think about it as a very efficient way from 2 years ago. You will need RUN SCH SCH GEO COR BLM, make SC and MB, pretty simple. You might need to make many more jobs, it won’t carry you past HQ aminon, but still valid in the meantime.
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