Asura Inflation - What's Going On?

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Hey man
I said it before

If SE consolidates all of XI to Asura and my options are that or XIV, Im digging up my old XIV 1.0 account and playin that.

All you did was bury it? What a casual. I sailed for 3 weeks to get the the deepest part of the ocean and tossed my copy. A warning to Atlantis about how terrible the surface is under the rule of Yoshi P.

I think its a business choice. SE is a Japanese company. If the JP community complains, they would pay more attention since it can have an impact on their over all business.

RMTs have raised prices and control a lot of the crafting mats. If you are not farming the items its not worth it to AH and craft.

On Asura, RMTs charge 10M per R5, so R25 is 250M to buy win on Odyssea and 60-70M for an Aeonic 40M if you just need HELMs.

IDK what its like on other servers but there are so many players the sever and pick ups are only shouts for R25 DDs cBRD nSMN etc. How do you get R25 without buying?

I have 1 set of R15 unlocked and 0 upgrades, I had to build the team by bring friends back from Gilgamesh and get them geared.

EXP is even worse, the bots have all the EXP spots. One RMT just lost 51 accounts in Bibiki Bay. EXPs should make a come back I hope.

Have you heard of opportunity cost? If you farm a mat then craft it and it wouldn't be profitable to craft it without farming, you'd make more gil by selling the mat than crafting it. This is also not true (for shield crafters) most of the time.


There are no mercs or PUGs on other servers, you get R25 by playing the game. You make a group with your friends, linkshell mates, etc. and beat V5, then V10, V15, V20, and then you have your R25 gear. It's like a video game.

I cannot stress enough how Odyssey was not designed for players to go from V0 to V20 in a single shot. If you're struggling with this, it's because you're trying to skip all of the content.


There is one group of ~3 characters who RMT ML on Carbuncle. Most camps are taken up by average Joe Schmoes botting their own ML, and there are dozens of empty camps in basically every zone with decent EP mobs.

No one cares about all 10 people playing on a server that isn't asura

No one cares about asura either but asura is the only place where information matters. Ask yourself, does anyone care what happens in Wyoming. No of course no one does. It exists. Stuff happens there. No one cares though.

And ain't no god damn bots getting wiped out wholesale (or at all even one) whoever told you that is fullashit.

I mean I guess you're right, this is an Asura thread in the Asura section with Asura people talking about Asura problems, maybe I shouldn't bother sharing my experiences but like...how can you guys possibly not see the root cause behind these problems?

Every other post is "I can't get into V25 runs or full clear seg runs because I'm a new player and the elitists won't take me!" Like bro...if 6 of you guys who can't get into the elitist runs would just start doing newb runs together, your problems would be solved.

If nobody wants to take you on V15/V20 clears...form a group to do V5s. You have absolutely no RP on your gear, why would you think the next step is to get the V20 clear...?

You seem to skip over the part where is went above and beyond to get 75 era players back and build them up. I didn't skip the content my selectively informed friend. This is a post about Asura, keep your very wrong opinion on your very small server. Im not in control of others money and gil. I don't do pick ups I create them. I get thats normal for your small low man server, but there are more people here than any other server, with more gil and more RMT. I hate it, but its populated and people from other severs are too LEET for me i guess. I left carby because my Gilgamesh people came here. Im just still here.

I have some questions.

You're missing the point where it is horrendously designed to the point that you're better off waiting for v20/25 shouts to clear them than trying V5+10+15 etc. It is bad by design.

This is Asura we're talking about. They solve problems by swiping their credit cards.

All I can think of when I see ***like this is relating this to other games. I imagine someone playing Diablo 2 and thinking "This game is so ***, you're better off buying an SOJ off the internet and trading it to someone to PL you to hell and then PL'ing your character to max level. It's way faster than grinding through all those quests and bosses. What ***design!"

What exactly is your problem with the design of Odyssey?

There's no reason to help anyone do lower V

It's a problem. But there's no solution. Pretty big flaw.
(You're going to list all these ways it could be fixed, it can't, don't bother typing them out again)

If you missed the climb you're ***outta luck.

Friends. For Christ's sake have none of you aliens ever heard of friends? I've gotten dozens of people clears in lower vengeance before. Maybe hundreds at this point TBH.

Or helping to gear up a new member in your linkshell, or someone who could be in your static, either now or in the future. Or who might help you with an Aeonic run, or might help you clear a particularly tricky Unity NM.

Or...you could just help someone because you're a nice person. Does everything need to have a built in SE mechanic to incentivize people to help? Have you never in your life done anything where there wasn't a direct, tangible reward for helping someone?

Seriously? The flawed design has been beaten like a dead horse here many times.

Why spend time and segs with noobs trying V5+10+15+20 which will entail lots of fails when you can gear up and wait for V20 eventually? Oh, and then you rely on someone's mate helping them get the clear 90% of the time.

A couple days ago people were telling me no one does Sheol because everyone has a billion segs. Now people are saying no one helps others in Gaol because of the segs it costs.

Biggest fail with Ody is the rewards, the base set is identical to the fully upgraded set and that is really stupid. Literally would have taken them a a day to add a glow effect.

Way more people would have done it if they did.

A low vengeance clear should give more RP than a high vengeance failure. If they promoted players clearing the content rather than cheese, there would be more participation.



You don't already glow?

OK wish granted. Now welcome to the world where everyone curses Seun for his horrible design, because people are getting more RP for killing the easiest tier of Kalunga and nobody is doing V20 anymore, because it's not worth as much RP. Or even if V20 clear > V5 clear, people still do V5 because it's less risky.

"They spent all this time designing a fight with all these mechanics, and now nobody does it because the idiots at Seuncorp decided to give more RP for lower-vengeance clears than for trying to do the higher vengeance fights. What moron thought this was a good idea?"

"Why would I waste 15 minutes killing V15 Ngai when I can do a V5 in 3, and have no chance of dying?"

Yeah the whole "do 6% HP once you have clear" for RPing part is utter dogshit too. 13-14mins of afk is such a waste of time. Don't tell me you can be productive in the afk time etc.

No, the reward threshold is being raised from 5% to remove cheese, but it's more rewarding for people approaching clears at higher vengeance. You would get more RP for getting a V20 near death than you would for V5 clear.

Your doing it wrong. There is a segment fee applied to your reward based on the NM's remaining HP. Starts out at -1000 and goes down 10 for every 1% HP you remove. Amplifiers only apply when you beat the boss. /s


Would never suggest actually making RP farming this hellish. I don't gatekeep and would rather a monty haul world then the misery of a crapsack the above poster wish's to inflict upon everyone else.

I don't care what's there currently. I wouldn't keep the foundation because it's upside-down backwards. I prefer something that rewards players for progress, not just an unlock and grind segs so you can AFK to the top.

Nothing else coming down the pipe at this point, so I don't really mind if people prefer to progress AFK.

What do noob runs real in? 5-7k if you find a proper setup, but we're talking noob runs which means you take what you can find befor people lose their patience and leave. 3k is probably already optimistic.

If you count the time and hustle of finding 6 players with low enough expectations and a compatible schedule your probably better of just going solo.

And let me tell you, solo segs is miserably slow.

It's kind of insane when you think about it, how little upgrades XI has had over the years. This being a game that has an active subscription model and still a fairly large number of people paying it and they have done so little upgrades to the basic game in 20 years. I know the reason for this is the money that was earmarked for major upgrades to XI was used on making XIV, but still.

Lots of content added but the upgrades are very sparse.

To the point now that the basic stuff was made so long ago that any dev would effectively have to reverse engineer this stuff for months to be able to do anything. Even making a new zone for XI is almost a lost art, since engines don't skin the way XI does anymore.

XI should have stuff like server specific drop rates and possibly even locked server sellable items to outlaw carpet baggers, it's sad that many servers with smaller populations are still locked to Asura prices very often.

$1 in 2003 has the same purchasing power as $1.64 today. (See https://tools.carboncollective.co/inflation/us/2003/1/ )

SE's updates are sparse and we deserve more QoL updates, but I don't think the price point is a justification for that. Specifically, I don't think the lack of updates is a reason to pay less money. If the opposite were possible, to pay more for additional content or a new expansion, I would do it.

Edit: if we did a Kickstarter (Shenmue 3-style), and everyone chipped in $30 for a new expansion, would SE do it? ...probably not. :/

I assume the "above poster" is me. I don't want to gatekeep or "inflict" anything on anyone. My opinion is that people are too big for their britches and nobody wants to play with new/returning players, INCLUDING other new/returning players. Look at this:


This is literally the "R25, you don't glow you don't go" attitude, but instead of being put forth by a veteran player, it's being echoed by a newer player. Everyone sees their moglophones as sacred and won't go with anyone unless there's a promise they're gonna get 10k+ segments, and they don't want to waste their time on V15 clears, they only want V25 clears.

That's the problem IMO. Nobody is creating a linkshell, discord, adding people to their friend's list, or helping to prop up the new players. Everyone expects the new players to somehow magically get to R25 from sparks gear and has no thought for how that's supposed to happen except being carried and/or paying for it, and the worst part is that includes new players themselves.

It is my opinion that this is caused much more by the meta and attitudes of the players than it is by the systems set forth by SE. Sure, they don't hand out free KIs if you're helping someone, they have limited currencies and KIs, but that doesn't by itself cause a system in which people are unwilling to play with their peers because of paralyzing FOMO or elitism. I still think if you have R0 or R15 Odyssey gear and you're aiming for 10k segments and V20 clears, you're the problem, not SE.

It's not a gatekeeping thing, I don't care if someone who bought the game yesterday has full R30 Nyame & all the T3 sets; except I'd feel really bad for them because they have nothing to do in the game because they skipped all the content and missed out on some pretty great experiences and a whole lot of foundational knowledge about the jobs and mechanics they could've learned along the way. All so they could get into 10k segment PUG farm runs they no longer need. It just seems *** backwards to me: skip the content so you can get the gear that you no longer need, because you skipped the content.

I largely agree with this, but it can also be difficult when you are taking people of unknown gear/skill into a fight that might take several attempts when you are working on finishing your own stuff and entry is limited. I still do it because people did it with me and were patient with me while I was figuring things out, but I don't fault people for being hesitant. Some players also have a history of ignoring advice or suggestions, I don't bother with them, and I think that's more people than you may realize.

For Odyssey, segments being the primary issue. It takes a fair amount to get from r25-r30 and people working on that or clears will be more hesitant because those 4-5 runs could mean a win or missing a fair bit of RP. If they are segment starved, it's even worse. For people sitting on 400k+ segments, yea, a few runs to help someone is probably less significant, they have float room, but some are doing segruns then immediately burning the segments on clear attempts or RP because they have so few. The time gate means catching up for more float is difficult especially if they are in a static or consistent group.

The problem is that the entry to Gaol encourages emphasis on self and your group over helping others because the cost to help can be substantial if you aren't already done. So it's not always that people aren't willing, but sometimes they just aren't able.