Segments Are Pain

Easiest and also most tedious, imo. Even something like Omen has a little more variety to which of the "already solved problems" you will face, rather than being the same thing over and over.

Is FFXI a online game? Arguably yes, although disconnects are plentyfull, pings are higher than during the 56k days and you can probably find single player games that send packets at a higher frequency to a server than FFXI does.
Is FFXI a multiplayer game? On most servers not really.
Does FFXI have a massive population? No.

It's fraudulent labelling. Stop beeing mad at me cause you're paying a sub fee for a single player game.

I realize you're just being a troll but...


I don't really think having a large, active population is part of being an mmo. It doesn't suddenly morph into a new game type when population dips below a threshold. It's a game design pillar, not a marketing term for how many concurrent players they have.

It is game design just as much as it's a marketing buzz word.

I'm only half trolling because if you look at the game design decissions made you have equally if not more changes in favor of solo play than stuff that encourages party play.

The shift to individual loot rewards and maybe level sync probably had a positive effect on colaborating but that's about it. What would have made party play thrive and is standard in most MMOs these days is a proper party finder, XI never got one.

Anyway, I stand by it, solo segments are excessively slow and so are sortie points. It already sucks when focusing on segments but as a solo player you also want to lvl moogle mastery which doesn't always align with the optimal path for segments.

The problem with Odyssey is that only people without a life can really excel at it and make progress.

Odyssey is limited to a 30 minute segment farm and an hour of gaol daily. If you did it twice weekly and won in an average number of attempts, you'd be capped on everything by now.

Imagine having nothing to do every day to do your daily sortie and odyssey statics.

The dream.

???

If you don't have 3 hours a week of time you can spend, maybe it's not worth paying a sub to begin with. You do know that all MMOs are colossal timesinks with no value besides entertainment, right?

You probably don't realize that most people can't live their lives according to your calculated metrics to win an internet argument. It's unrealistic to expect most people to be able to carve out time and dates on their calendar to do events at this point.

Odyssey and Sortie need to be highly coordinated and if one person misses, the run just isn't going to happen. Multiply that by 6 and that's a lot of runs not happening.

It's not worth the frustration in its current form.

Yes, everyone who can get odyssey done must have no life. Those who do less content than you are probably noobs, too. You are the perfect benchmark, and the rest of us can only aspire to your life balance.

It is a lot of runs not happening, or filling in with people/alts and making do. In the case of segs, solo is a sub-optimal option, but an option none the less.

Nature of the game. Whether it's worth it or not is up for the individual to decide.

Taking flak = over the target. I feel like it just needed said bluntly. The expectations for the players with the newest content are ridiculous.

I'm a filthy casual now, really the lowest of the low. noobs are higher than me.

2005: Get anywhere between 18 to 64 people within the same linkshell to coordinate schedules to partake in a 3 1/2 hour event

2024: Getting 6 people to coordinate schedules for 30 minutes is impossible

I forgot theres a meme format for this one

In 2005 that was a weekly affair.

In 2024 it's a daily.

Progress?

Twice a week, one of which took place mid-week on work/school days.

36 man event where 6 carried the load.

I think Gaol could use some adjustment, but segfarms seem like a really good time to value ratio especially compared to Sortie. It's a decent EP return for sub ML25 jobs, you get >1m gil each run, and even mid groups are averaging 8-10k segments a run.

If it was an hour, I'd probably hate it. If it had as much running around while doing nothing else, I'd probably hate it, but it's short and reasonably fast paced. You spend most of the time either pulling or smashing the monster delete button, so it's not exactly dull. I get it sucks doing the same thing over and over, but there is enough randomness between the mobs and the content is so short lived that I can't find much to complain about.

The biggest issue I've had with it in the past was with other players when the meta was more intense during the v15 and some of the v20 era. There were very few groups for new people to come in and learn from and no variation in the job setup, so either you had someone that taught you and was patient or you got bitched at until you figured it out. I think this turned off a lot of players to doing Odyssey altogether. That seems to have chilled out in recent years esp given even shitty runs are doing reasonably decent.

I do think they could make it more approachable for players without meta jobs geared to the max, but with gear creep and ML, we've taken some really weird setups and still averaged 10k+ a run, so I don't think that's as much of an issue. I always thought it'd be kinda cool to have a rotating "job of the day" that nets a % bonus to segments if you take it, but I know that's a pipe dream and not gonna happen, it's also not really relevant now given power creep since it was released.

Not wrong, but irrelevant. I dont think any OG dynamis runs fell apart because one of the 6 who carry the load missed the run. I dont remember any of our dyna runs falling apart because one of the S-tier players were missing.

Dynamis is now an 18-person event where 6 carry the load. Not much has changed with that regard.

I've been helping a newer player get up and running the last few days and apparently their mentor has been talking to them about getting Nyame gear. This person has like zero gear swaps, almost no gear, very little idea how to play their job, etc. Does that seem totally backwards to anyone else?

I wish people would relax on getting their Odyssey gear. Yes it's some of the best gear in the game, no that does not mean every newb should go straight to getting Nyame gear before they even have equipment swaps. I can't help but wonder if this is a consequence of the mercenary mentality that's so prevalent these days, "just buy the unlock!"

How about if we just let you pay $1000 to arrive at the finish line, give you a little parade, and you can post on your social media about how you beat the game so fast and you're now the strongest player in the universe.

Jumping to the best gear in the game will help them backfill, better than meandering through for months picking up ***they'll just replace.

Just running 5/5 r0 nyame full time is better than anything else they'll get, and faster. Then they'll bother to fill in the gaps, or they won't.

Would they be better served struggling to get 500 segments, or get nyame now, and get more segments, faster.

You climb when it's the only option and you skip to the end when the option opens up instead.

The worse part is after they buy their clear, they then are told to rank it up to R15, but they can't pop Bumba themselves, so now they are locked into the merc loop for life.

No, actually.

Just think like this: you are meeting your old friends from college to eat something then talk about your lifes since everyone went their ways.

Your best friend had lots of success: he got a 200k salary, he has a nice house in a peaceful town.

Your other friend managed to get a nice job too. Maybe not paying as good as the first one, but he also has a hot gorgeous wife and 3 cute children.

Now you, who decided to spent every penny you earn in part time jobs in drugs and alcohool. You got 2 women pregnant and have to pay for the kids expenses. Youre also unemployed and will need your friends to pay your bills.

Obviously you feel like your friends, who were in the same league as you when kids, now are in another whole level.

Obviously you feel ashamed for failing so hard while they are having happy lifes.

Obviously you want the same degree of sucess as fast as you can, because people around you are already in that stage.

BUT you cant afford restarting your entire life to get to that point. Because youre already like 50y and if you had to go back to school, find a low income salary job and slowly build your carreer till the 200k income, you gonna be already dead before all of that.

You need speed. You need someone to get that Nyame for you despite you barely having enough to buy paper to wipe your ***.

So, its not backwards. If the people around you has already some degree of success, its quite natural instinct to desire to be on the same level to feel like part of that environment.

The means means little if you can get to your end.

Not really, if said newer player wants to eventually do modern content. It's kind of hard to overstate how valuable Nyame is to a new player or returnee. R0 Nyame might not be the best at anything, but having 5/5 Nyame as the worst option on any/every job is a pretty high floor for equipment power, and a foundation that will let them skip a ton of older gear as they build out their sets.

Merc might be the Asura way, but it's not like that everywhere. I don't wanna do Bumba v25 again, but I'll bang out free v15's for new players all day long.

I get what you're meaning and I mostly agree generally speaking, but if we're moving to talk specifically about Nyame... I dunno man.

It's such a god set even with low augs that becomes sort of a "one set to rule them all" for a returning player.
It has DT, defensive stats, acc, macc, racc, attack, some small amount of MA, WSD... And it's all jobs!
Especially for a returning player who doesn't have Malignance.


So while in general I definitely agree with what you're trying to say, I can't say it's entirely wrong for someone to want to build his character using Nyame as a starting point, eh.

Free Bumba RP Do you need it?

If you're helping them, why not help them unlock Nyame?

No, it's not backwards. The other alternative to Ody R0 armor is... homestead? Ambu armor which is more difficult to get for a beginner?

Nyame is all jobs and they can wear it full time until they figure out swaps.