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Oathsworn Blade Master Trial - Cleared
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By Asura.Bigtymer 2024-12-21 00:28:31
Party Comp: RNG/DRG (ML50), RNG/DRG (ML45), COR/NIN (ML50), BRD/SCH (ML50), GEO/WHM (ML50), RUN/BLU (ML47)
General Encounter Notes:
All buffs carry in. Geomancy debuff potency is nerfed by 50% on August, but is full potency on all adds. There is no WS wall. There is no prime weapon damage bonus (nor a non-prime penalty).
The encounter starts with August (level 157) by himself. Every 10%, August summons a random Naakual add starting at 90%, all the way down to 40% for a total of all 6 Naakuals. At 30%, he summons Teodor as the final add.
While a Naakual is alive, August has extremely strong DT and regen (something to the tune of -99% DT, and 1% HP regen every 15ish seconds). August does not have this DT/regen when Teodor is alive.
All adds (including Teodor) spawn in with an aura and there is no known way to proc these auras. The auras give the adds approximately -25% DT, along with other effects that are mostly consistent with other versions of these NMs (i.e., the Bee's aura gives it a blink effect, the Lion's aura is a 20' paralyze aura, etc.). Teodor's aura is unique to this encounter and I'll discuss that later. The auras wear off over time. The aura on the first add lasts 3.5 minutes, and each subsequent adds' aura lasts 30 seconds longer - so the 2nd add has a 4-minute aura, the 3rd add has a 4.5-minute aura, etc., with the final add (Teodor) having a 6.5-minute aura.
In addition to having a longer aura duration, each subsequent add spawns in at 1 higher level than the previous add. The first add is level 150, 2nd add is level 151, etc., with the final add (Teodor) being level 156. The level of the add influences the potency of the aura. With the Naakual spawn order being random, this creates a layer of RNG as there are certain adds that you hope will spawn early (i.e., the Bee).
Buffs
Pre-buffs before entering, many of which were from outside characters included the following: x8 Soul Voice songs (honor, prelude x2, minuet 5+4, aria, STR etude, AGI etude). x4 crooked rolls (SAM, Chaos, Misers, Tacticians). Flurry 2 on the COR/RNGs. Full SCH buffs - regen, embrava, baraero/barparalyze, adloquium, Minuo, phalanx, aquaveil. WHM for pro/shell/auspice/boost-STR. The main BRD's SV was reset using outside CORs before we enter, or reducing it to sub-10minutes with multiple Cutting Cards.
Main songs throughout the encounter: honor, prelude x2, minuet 5+4. Dirge fulltime on the GEO as the GEO does the majority of the healing and can pull hate later into it if they're not being given dirge.
Main rolls: crooked Chaos / SAM.
GEO bubbles varied by mob - see below.
August
Frailty/fury/entrust STR with SV songs up. Without SV songs, swap fury to precision. Last Stand.
Similar TP moves as the Sinister Reign version has, ramped up of course. The same applies to all of the adds and their previous versions.
Null Field is one of his notable TP moves, as it's an AoE 1-3 buff dispel, and is one of several reasons why a melee setup on this encounter is probably not viable.
He also has access to AoE terror and conal amnesia. Most of his AoE moves are 10' radius centered on his target.
Each time an add dies, August uses Daybreak, which visually gives him wings along with a damage boost. Daybreak also begins the countdown for No Quarter. The countdown lasts exactly as long as the previous add was alive. For example, if it takes 4min20sec to kill the Tree add, then once the Tree dies, August uses Daybreak which begins a 4min20sec countdown until No Quarter.
No Quarter is a 15' split damage conal move. Following an add death, to prepare for No Quarter, the tank turns August toward the group while the group moves within 13'-14'. The tank gets as close to August as possible in this position to help ensure that the 10' radius moves (which are centered on the tank) do not hit the rest of the party. You can then just plant in this position until No Quarter goes off. There may be times where damage needs to be stopped if No Quarter hasn't happened before the next add is about to spawn. No Quarter going off while an add is out should be avoided.
Yggdreant (Tree)
If Tree spawns within the first 3 adds, Malaise + Acumen, otherwise Malaise + Focus. With the increasing levels of later adds, we found that there was a tipping point where resists become too much of a problem to not run focus.
Light Threnody. x2 lux + x1 Tenebrae Rayke + Gambit. Storms from the BRD/SCH. True Flight from the RNG's, Leaden from the COR.
Cannopierce hurts real bad with the tank solo soaking it (along with perhaps a luopan). x3 Flabra Vallation/Valiance.
Constant Timber AoE doom spam (the removeable kind, smile).
Cehuetzi (Lion)
Similar to Tree, if Lion spawns within the first 3 adds, Malaise + Acumen, otherwise Malaise + Focus.
Fire Threnody, x3 Ignis Rayke + Gambit. Firestorm. Hot Shot from the RNGs and COR. Wildfire is an option for the COR if accuracy becomes a problem (i.e., if Lion is a later add and SV songs are not up).
The paralyze aura is quite brutal and depending on RNG, may really debilitate your tank's ability to spike hate on him. Tank can make a judgment call here to use Sforzo if enmity generation isn't going well. Losing hate on Lion, even if only for a moment before a jump gets used, can be run-ending due to his AoE full dispel.
Gabbrath (Dino) / Waktza (Bird)
Similar approach for both of these - Frailty/Fury. Last Stand.
Damage dealt is physical here, so the RNGs should coordinate a Super Jump around 50%, otherwise hate will likely be pulled before these adds die. Try to time the Super Jump right after a TP move as both of these have access to dispels (Static Prison from the Bird and Volcanic Stasis from the Dino).
Dino is particularly threatening to the tank (especially if he spawns later in the add order). We like entrusting an indi-wilt on the tank for Dino.
Rockfin (Shark)
Indi-wilt, Geo-frailty, entrust Barrier. Last Stand.
I haven't said it until now, but other than Shark, Bee, and while waiting for August's No Quarters, you should be fighting everything from 20'+.
Fight Shark inside the donut of Marine Mayhem (so everyone within 5' of him). If you try fighting him outside the donut, you will very likely have wipes to the wombo-combo of Protolithic Puncture (hate reset) on tank, followed by Marine Mayhem on the backline, which he can use at range while he's in transit from the tank to the backline, instantly killing everyone. A big downside of fighting him inside the donut is that everyone is now in range of August's Null Field. Since you're not shooting August during this time, he should only get off 3-4 TP moves while you're killing Shark and you either hope that none of those TP moves are Null Field, or at a minimum hope that neither of your rangers lose a song if a Null Field is used. Another layer of RNG.
Spread out around him within the donut - he's got conal moves. With frequent hate resets, we found the Wilt to be extremely important in preventing deaths. Panacea off debuffs. His autos are AoE and the BRD/SCH has a limited number of AoE heals, so the damage pressure gets a bit real here. Spreading out Valiance, One For All, Liement, and Odyllic are important resources for making it through. An early Shark spawn while Regen/Embrava are still up is dreamy, but he's doable without that.
Bztavian (Bee)
Bolster geo-frailty, indi-wilt, entrust fade. Last Stand.
Bee is THE most difficult of the Naakuals.
With constant hate resets, we found it best to fight him with everyone in melee range except the tank, who should keep August away to limit the chances of a Null Field hitting the group. Spread out around him since he also has conals.
Zombie, weakness, stun, and a potent paralyze on his TP moves make him really dangerous. The tank is not even attempting to hold hate here, so it's the backline eating all of these things. RNGs should save their Super/High Jumps for a bad Zombie. If they get paralyzed or stunned along with Zombie, the run may just be over.
I mentioned that the auras are more potent the higher level the add is (the later it spawns in the RNG order). Where this matters the most is with the Bee. His blink aura very noticeably has higher chances of absorbing hits the higher level he is. Having an early Bee spawn with pre-buffs and a shorter duration aura is extremely desirable.
In general, Double/Triple shot should be saved for every add. The adds dying as quickly as possible is one of the win conditions of the encounter - the regen August has while an add is out is very potent, so more damage output on the adds effectively does double duty. With Bee, these cooldowns, along with Overkill, felt particularly important in helping with the blink effect from the aura.
Teodor
Teodor's dark aura gives him Dread Spikes and provides his auto attacks with an en-doom effect. This doom is seemingly un-removeable. He rotates through several auto attacks, one of which is a 25' ranged attack that is also AoE, and everyone hit by it receives the doom. His aura also applies Avoidance Down to anyone in range, so parrying/blocking in hopes of avoiding the en-doom is off the table.
It's worth mentioning that Teodor could not be slept - we've tried both light (with NiTro) and dark sleeps. It's also quite difficult to even get to Teodor and when you do get to him 45min+ into a pull, you have exactly 30 seconds to test/try things before your tank dies from doom and everyone else dies very quickly thereafter. Hence why the encounter took so long to clear.
But I'm digressing - so yeah, a 25' ranged un-removeable AoE doom. Not really sure if the devs fully thought this one through or how they expected players were going to deal with him, but here is how we navigated it.
The approach involves a zombie/death rotation between the BRD, GEO, and COR. The tank holds August on one side of the arena (the entrance platform), and the BRD/GEO/COR take turns tagging Teodor and dying on the opposite side of the arena. Teodor does not spawn with shared hate on August, which is one detail that makes this possible. Another detail that makes this possible is the fact that you have control over where Teodor will spawn in the arena. He spawns exactly where the 6th Naakual was killed. If he always spawned on August, it would be very difficult/inconsistent for someone in the zombie group to tag him before he hits the tank with his first en-doomed auto attack. For this reason, we kill the 6th add near the Teodor corner in the image below, then drag August to the opposite side before pushing him to 30%.
When the next player up in the zombie cycle dies, Teodor will (somewhat) slowly leash back to the center of the arena (green arrow) as he no longer has anyone on his enmity list. An important note is that while he is leashing back to the center, he will not sight/sound aggro. Upon reaching his reset spot (which is pretty much directly in the center of the arena), he links to August and full sprints toward the tank. With a 3-man zombie rotation, it's possible to perpetually prevent him from crossing that threshold. To facilitate the re-raising, the BRD/GEO/COR loaded up on Scapegoats, items that give reraise and, importantly, are instant-use items that have no animation/spell/ability lockout after using them.
Dropping the BRD/GEO/COR from the party to do this zombie juggling may or may not be necessary, but it does offer extra wiggle room. As mentioned, some of Teodor's auto attacks are AoE, and if the zombie gamers are not in the same party, then they will not hit each other with those AoE's, allowing them all to zombie near each other in the furthest possible corner without worrying about perfect positioning.
Tank heals himself while this is all going on. Continue the zombie rotation for 6.5mins until his aura wears off, then allow him to reset to the center, link to August, and attack the tank. Killing Teodor is straightforward once the aura is off. Frailty/fury, Last Stand. GEO/WHM keeps banish 2/1 on cooldown because he's undead and why not.
To provide a rough DPS benchmark to be aiming for: Teodor needs to spawn with approximately 17mins left on the instance timer to allow for this.
Final Phase
Unlike the other adds, Teodor doesn't give August DT, but once August gets to 1%, he will take 0 damage if Teodor is still alive. Once Teodor dies, August uses Daybreak and restores his HP to 30%. Therefore even though you're able to, it's pointless for the RNGs to damage August while the BRD/GEO/COR zombie juggle Teodor. The RNGs can basically AFK while the juggling is going on.
After he restores to 30%, you're in the final zerg phase. August will keep his wings out for the remainder of the fight. He will use No Quarter at 20% and again at 10%. The end.
Some subjective thoughts/opinions in closing: the difficulty of this encounter is incredibly high as it currently stands. Miles ahead of Crystal Paradise in terms of the damage output required and party survivability. SE has "nerfed" this fight once already with an evasion tweak, but we found that adjustment to be barely noticeable. The solution we had to come up with for dealing with Teodor is obviously quite janky, and is surely not the intended way. It's possible that the adds' auras can be proc'ed, and if a method for that is ever discovered, the difficulty would be eased substantially.
Good luck to those who pursue this!
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By Asura.Bakerboy 2024-12-21 01:02:45
Congrats to everyone! 10 months of hard work paid off!
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-12-21 01:04:00
About damn time guys! Great job
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By Bahamut.Negan 2024-12-21 01:58:33
Congrats to everyone! 10 months of hard work paid off! @Bakerboy
Huge gratz guys
By Kaffy 2024-12-21 02:32:54
Fun read, congrats you guys!
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-12-21 03:17:42
I guess I have to stop calling Shiraj a noob now.... God damnit
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-12-21 05:15:39
Great job, the way you deal with Teodor is definitely unique and creative. 25' aoe seems ridiculous, if not for that I'd be curious if there was a way to use decoy shot to alternate sacrificing BRD or GEO every 30 seconds and save on time there. But, if it's not some sort of penalty then I don't see how anything besides what you did stands a chance of working.
Edit: Can you call for help? How hard does he hit? If it's feasible to tank him weakened, I could still see potential for damaging him with aura up by alternating BRD/GEO tank outside party and using Coronach. Obviously that's a big if, just speculation.
I do have some questions, primarily relating to damage check. You mentioned you need 17 minutes going into Teodor, but Shiraj said (less than 2 months ago):
Quote: We need specific adds to spawn in certain order AND needing a wild card reset just to have a chance to see Teodor with at least 5 minutes remaining.
That means you've gotten a substantial damage increase somewhere. What did you change to make this difference? Some thoughts that come to mind:
What weapons do your RNGs use? It seems likely you have Gastra for trueflight and Fomalhaut for Last Stand, do you also use Empyrean for Hot Shot? Do you have/use primes at all?
Do your RNGs use a setup that's altered from the typical BiS RNG setup? Is any of it recently changed or acquired?
Do jobs besides RNG and COR contribute damage in any way?
And, I hate to ask this since I know it'll ruffle feathers, but I feel like it's unavoidable: Do your RNGs use JA0Wait or a tool to automate hover shot? I am not criticizing you if so, but it is an important disclosure because these can add 30% or more damage over a vanilla RNG performing hover shot perfectly. If you were using them, it seems likely the strategy cannot be done without them.
By Chimerawizard 2024-12-21 06:01:15
If only PUP were a real job. sounds like it'd come in handy during Teodor.
Congratulations on beating this broken fight.
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By Ovalidal 2024-12-21 06:08:40
I've been keeping up with multiple groups to the best of my ability, since this MT came out, and Teodor has curb stomped them all. I had already accepted that this fight is impossible in it's current build, but you mad lads found a way, despite the long, grueling prog.
Congratulations to everyone involved!
By Nsane 2024-12-21 06:11:10
Great job, the way you deal with Teodor is definitely unique and creative. 25' aoe seems ridiculous, if not for that I'd be curious if there was a way to use decoy shot to alternate sacrificing BRD or GEO every 30 seconds and save on time there. But, if it's not some sort of penalty then I don't see how anything besides what you did stands a chance of working. Thanks... I have a feeling you think the doom is an aura, the aura gives him access to applying a doom to you on his autos, once applied it cant be removed even if you go to the other side of the battlefield, we tried a two man rotation and every few claims he will instantly kill you with hemocladis which has a decent ranged... The second a ranger would take an action on Teodork you have a pretty high chance of him applying the doom to you even at 25'. We tried every which way to Sunday with shadowbinds... never ended well.
Can you call for help? How hard does he hit? If it's feasible to tank him weakened? I don't think we ever tried calling for help. I'm not a RUN but I did see him tank August/Teodork when weakened, but no one was TPing them at the time.
What weapons do your RNGs use? It seems likely you have Gastra for trueflight and Fomalhaut for Last Stand, do you also use Empyrean for Hot Shot? Do you have/use primes at all? No prime weapons for damage, but they both have the Earp stage 4
Gastraphetes for Trueflight
Fomalhaut for Last Stand
Armageddon or Fomalhaut for Hot Shot dependent on lions level and buffs.
Do jobs besides RNG and COR contribute damage in any way? Negative, unless you include the white damage from the RUN or dia.
Do your RNGs use a setup that's altered from the typical BiS RNG setup? Is any of it recently changed or acquired? I'm not a RNG, but I don't believe so.
That means you've gotten a substantial damage increase somewhere. What did you change to make this difference? The main changes came from the pre-buffs brought in, we were bringing in...
Honor
Minuet 2~5
Wind Carol
Preludes
AGI/STR Etudes
Samurai's
Crooked Chaos
to
Honor
Minuet 4/5
Preludes
AGI/STR Etudes
Aria
Crooked Miser's
Crooked Tactician's
Crooked Samurai's
Crooked Chaos
Helps we got a wild card to finally hit with a decent cutting afterwards. We had soul voice for almost the whole fight, think maybe 3~5 minutes without. A good chunk of our damage comes within the first 20 minutes because of soul voice. Once back to normal songs we had to switch out the fury for a precision and the COR had to start shooting in a max R.acc set for both TP and weapon skills, which is ***damage... But feels about right cause the COR does ***damage most the fight when being compared to hover shot I mean ranger.
I'm sure someone will eventually ask for what our add order was...
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 06:12:08
Its a great writeup. Hopefully other groups will be willing to go in and give it legit shot now.
By Aquapenguin 2024-12-21 06:59:33
It's Christmas already! Congrats to you guys the amount of death this master trial caused must of been insane and I'm so glad you guys kept attempting it.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-12-21 07:02:05
Hopefully puts to bed the thought this could be done on PLD?
You literally need one of the most badass tanks to even manage this fight
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2024-12-21 07:22:35
***all that pre buffing you basically needed 12 people to beat it nuts. I'm sure that's how SE did it same with the zombie party drop.
By Ovalidal 2024-12-21 08:01:37
Some subjective thoughts/opinions in closing: the difficulty of this encounter is incredibly high as it currently stands. Miles ahead of Crystal Paradise in terms of the damage output required and party survivability...
IIRC, when this fight was announced, the guest on stream asked if it was harder than Crystal Paradise. The producer said that it was much harder, and then laughed maniacally.
I don't know what the 'intended strat' is, but it was clear that the devs didn't want this fight to be anything like CP.
By Taint 2024-12-21 08:25:05
Awesome!!! Congrats and TY for the write up. Its always interesting to read strats on these fights.
Well done!
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 08:26:55
Some subjective thoughts/opinions in closing: the difficulty of this encounter is incredibly high as it currently stands. Miles ahead of Crystal Paradise in terms of the damage output required and party survivability...
IIRC, when this fight was announced, the guest on stream asked if it was harder than Crystal Paradise. The producer said that it was much harder, and then laughed maniacally.
I don't know what the 'intended strat' is, but it was clear that the devs didn't want this fight to be anything like CP.
Do you have a link for the video?
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-12-21 08:36:28
By Chimerawizard 2024-12-21 08:54:39
Buffs
Pre-buffs before entering, many of which were from outside characters included the following: x8 Soul Voice songs (honor, prelude x2, minuet 5+4, aria, STR etude, AGI etude). x4 crooked rolls (SAM, Chaos, Misers, Tacticians). Flurry 2 on the COR/RNGs. Full SCH buffs - regen, embrava, baraero/barparalyze, adloquium, Minuo, phalanx, aquaveil. WHM for pro/shell/auspice/boost-STR. The main BRD's SV was reset using outside CORs before we enter, or reducing it to sub-10minutes with multiple Cutting Cards.
Pre-buffs you could add:
SMN skill effects duration so warcry should last 8 minutes, the rest should last for 10.
By Nsane 2024-12-21 08:59:52
We did talk about bringing a SMN in for the Warcry and Blessing, Soothing would of been gone within the first minute from the RUN.
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By Ovalidal 2024-12-21 09:19:47
Some subjective thoughts/opinions in closing: the difficulty of this encounter is incredibly high as it currently stands. Miles ahead of Crystal Paradise in terms of the damage output required and party survivability...
IIRC, when this fight was announced, the guest on stream asked if it was harder than Crystal Paradise. The producer said that it was much harder, and then laughed maniacally.
I don't know what the 'intended strat' is, but it was clear that the devs didn't want this fight to be anything like CP.
Do you have a link for the video?
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They began talking about this MT around the 18:20 minute mark. It's in JP, so I may have misunderstood them.
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By Asura.Shang 2024-12-21 09:27:24
Congratulations dudes well deserved
Edit. ABOUT TIME WE GET ANOTHER SHOOTOUT LETS GO!!!!!!!
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-12-21 10:30:13
Do jobs besides RNG and COR contribute damage in any way? I feel like it would be close to unfeasible to ask them to. At the moment we had near perfect coordination in voice chat. When Baker mentions he needs to sing I have a JA like One for All up or something or I'm frantically using Magic fruit to cover cures while GEO + Myself heal. Or vice versa if the GEO needs to redo bubbles + unweaken. This is a very brutal heal check for 2 non-healers relying on sub job cures; especially AoE heals on Shark + Bee.
Tanking mobs weakened is an asterisk. Even though Teodor is the same level every time, same as August. It felt like their damage varied a LOT. Sometimes regular autos are hitting me for 0-200, sometimes they're hitting for 400-900 and it's simply just luck based on what buffs get dispelled. 60% of the fight roughly The bard can't redo my songs because A). I am being spam dispelled non-stop. B) The amount of cures needed are next level and I just need cure bombed.
Every Naakual is super dangerous on the final 6th one. Usually the Bird is the easiest, but still was hitting for an average auto of 350+.
One change to dps we made also, was luck dependant also; I'd use Gambit and Rayke to boost SC damage a little over the course of the fight when Daybreak mode was over + on adds, even if Rangers weren't using magic WS. But most of the dps increase came solely from prebuffs and good add spawn order.
Edit: Whoever at SE thought adding Paralyze aura to Ice Lion can suck one. That is the most infuriating thing in this game. Genuinely felt like the later the Lion came out the more potent the aura was and it was so obnoxious. Very close call moments where even with 5/5 Vallation merits + vallation up I'm being hit for 500+ per hit by the Ice lion. Scary times, idk how those 2 guys kept me alive. I was a striking dummy unable to do anything.
Edit 2: One thing forgotten in the write-up: When the bee spawns the tank drags August 25+ away from the group, not only for Null fields, but to prevent the GEO's cures generating enmity and potentially reaching hate cap which has happened before.
By cosmicdivinity 2024-12-21 11:22:25
Do jobs besides RNG and COR contribute damage in any way? I feel like it would be close to unfeasible to ask them to. At the moment we had near perfect coordination in voice chat. When Baker mentions he needs to sing I have a JA like One for All up or something or I'm frantically using Magic fruit to cover cures while GEO + Myself heal. Or vice versa if the GEO needs to redo bubbles + unweaken. This is a very brutal heal check for 2 non-healers relying on sub job cures; especially AoE heals on Shark + Bee.
Tanking mobs weakened is an asterisk. Even though Teodor is the same level every time, same as August. It felt like their damage varied a LOT. Sometimes regular autos are hitting me for 0-200, sometimes they're hitting for 400-900 and it's simply just luck based on what buffs get dispelled. 60% of the fight roughly The bard can't redo my songs because A). I am being spam dispelled non-stop. B) The amount of cures needed are next level and I just need cure bombed.
Every Naakual is super dangerous on the final 6th one. Usually the Bird is the easiest, but still was hitting for an average auto of 350+.
One change to dps we made also, was luck dependant also; I'd use Gambit and Rayke to boost SC damage a little over the course of the fight when Daybreak mode was over + on adds, even if Rangers weren't using magic WS. But most of the dps increase came solely from prebuffs and good add spawn order.
Edit: Whoever at SE thought adding Paralyze aura to Ice Lion can suck one. That is the most infuriating thing in this game. Genuinely felt like the later the Lion came out the more potent the aura was and it was so obnoxious. Very close call moments where even with 5/5 Vallation merits + vallation up I'm being hit for 500+ per hit by the Ice lion. Scary times, idk how those 2 guys kept me alive. I was a striking dummy unable to do anything.
Neither the BRD, GEO, or the RUN/BLU is really equipped to heal this. It definitely felt like a team effort, and the part after Teodor where you're weak is nasty. Coalition ethers kept me going. Also if you're GEO make sure you break your bubbles before they die with full circle, or else you'll run OOM very quickly.
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By euvedant 2024-12-21 11:54:39
Couldn’t you use a pld instead? Why exactly was RUN used besides the rayke and gambit?
By zixxer 2024-12-21 12:02:34
Amazing, fantastic job everyone! You're all doing the lords work and an easy to digest writeup. Could Last Stand be replaced with Terminus at all or was Last Stand hitting harder?
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By Asura.Sechs 2024-12-21 12:03:53
Grats guys! So what's next, the Chaos+Bahamut one?
Wonder how many Master Levels Shiraj lost when you were attempting this fight hahah
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 12:05:12
Couldn’t you use a pld instead? Why exactly was RUN used besides the rayke and gambit?
I really think that RUN is the only tank for this. Valiance is 14 yalm AOE radius, and you can have it up on the party for bee and shark. This is extremely helpful for damage mitigation for the whole party. Its three minutes duration so it lasts for the whole add. Also RUN/BLU has magic fruit. Tank is getting dispelled constantly. Any benefit majesty might provide is nullified by this.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-12-21 12:06:04
Couldn’t you use a pld instead? Why exactly was RUN used besides the rayke and gambit? In my opinion, PLD would struggle for a few reasons:
1) Rayke and Gambit is a massive boost to dps over the course of the fight. (It may be doable without this dps boost, but don't fall for the clear time. That was pure luck. Close to perfect luck in every single aspect. The only way you could've had better luck was the Yggdreant being 5th instead of 2nd.
2) The coordination of Liement, Odyllic, Valiance and One for All on the Shark is VERY important for survival. We have wiped many times to an unfortunate AoE > Tidal Guillotine within 1s of each other. Rampart alone would not be enough imo without being very risky. Since Tidal Guillotine is conal I was saving Liement/Valiance for massive hate spikes after I get hit by Prolific Puncture to try minimise the Shark attack/facing the other people. Liement was also clutch to heal people when it did go off also, fully healing them.
3) Constant dispels means PLD is struggling HARD for MP. There were stretches I went over 10 minutes without any songs due to them being instantly dispelled within 5s of them being put on OR there was just too much healing needed.
4) Enmity may be a problem due to lack of good cumulative enmity options. You'll not have TP super often + Amnesia spam from August means Atonement spam is not ideal. Non-stop dispels meaning little to no magic haste + ballads MP will be a problem to even cast spells/cures.
It's possible PLD is doable and can work, but with all of these factors it does feel unlikely, however RUN is my comfort job so I prefer to prog and make things work with a RUN over a PLD.
Edit 1: Wonder how many Master Levels Shiraj lost when you were attempting this fight hahah I lost over 2 million Exemplar points from release testing this fight. Sometimes HP'd, sometimes Arise'd etc.
Edit 2: So I used 109 Panaceas that fight and 34 Remedies that pull. Spending gil on meds is fun guys
Party Comp: RNG/DRG (ML50), RNG/DRG (ML45), COR/NIN (ML50), BRD/SCH (ML50), GEO/WHM (ML50), RUN/BLU (ML47)
General Encounter Notes:
All buffs carry in. Geomancy debuff potency is nerfed by 50% on August, but is full potency on all adds. There is no WS wall. There is no prime weapon damage bonus (nor a non-prime penalty).
The encounter starts with August (level 157) by himself. Every 10%, August summons a random Naakual add starting at 90%, all the way down to 40% for a total of all 6 Naakuals. At 30%, he summons Teodor as the final add.
While a Naakual is alive, August has extremely strong DT and regen (something to the tune of -99% DT, and 1% HP regen every 15ish seconds). August does not have this DT/regen when Teodor is alive.
All adds (including Teodor) spawn in with an aura and there is no known way to proc these auras. The auras give the adds approximately -25% DT, along with other effects that are mostly consistent with other versions of these NMs (i.e., the Bee's aura gives it a blink effect, the Lion's aura is a 20' paralyze aura, etc.). Teodor's aura is unique to this encounter and I'll discuss that later. The auras wear off over time. The aura on the first add lasts 3.5 minutes, and each subsequent adds' aura lasts 30 seconds longer - so the 2nd add has a 4-minute aura, the 3rd add has a 4.5-minute aura, etc., with the final add (Teodor) having a 6.5-minute aura.
In addition to having a longer aura duration, each subsequent add spawns in at 1 higher level than the previous add. The first add is level 150, 2nd add is level 151, etc., with the final add (Teodor) being level 156. The level of the add influences the potency of the aura. With the Naakual spawn order being random, this creates a layer of RNG as there are certain adds that you hope will spawn early (i.e., the Bee).
Buffs
Pre-buffs before entering, many of which were from outside characters included the following: x8 Soul Voice songs (honor, prelude x2, minuet 5+4, aria, STR etude, AGI etude). x4 crooked rolls (SAM, Chaos, Misers, Tacticians). Flurry 2 on the COR/RNGs. Full SCH buffs - regen, embrava, baraero/barparalyze, adloquium, Minuo, phalanx, aquaveil. WHM for pro/shell/auspice/boost-STR. The main BRD's SV was reset using outside CORs before we enter, or reducing it to sub-10minutes with multiple Cutting Cards.
Main songs throughout the encounter: honor, prelude x2, minuet 5+4. Dirge fulltime on the GEO as the GEO does the majority of the healing and can pull hate later into it if they're not being given dirge.
Main rolls: crooked Chaos / SAM.
GEO bubbles varied by mob - see below.
August
Frailty/fury/entrust STR with SV songs up. Without SV songs, swap fury to precision. Last Stand.
Similar TP moves as the Sinister Reign version has, ramped up of course. The same applies to all of the adds and their previous versions.
Null Field is one of his notable TP moves, as it's an AoE 1-3 buff dispel, and is one of several reasons why a melee setup on this encounter is probably not viable.
He also has access to AoE terror and conal amnesia. Most of his AoE moves are 10' radius centered on his target.
Each time an add dies, August uses Daybreak, which visually gives him wings along with a damage boost. Daybreak also begins the countdown for No Quarter. The countdown lasts exactly as long as the previous add was alive. For example, if it takes 4min20sec to kill the Tree add, then once the Tree dies, August uses Daybreak which begins a 4min20sec countdown until No Quarter.
No Quarter is a 15' split damage conal move. Following an add death, to prepare for No Quarter, the tank turns August toward the group while the group moves within 13'-14'. The tank gets as close to August as possible in this position to help ensure that the 10' radius moves (which are centered on the tank) do not hit the rest of the party. You can then just plant in this position until No Quarter goes off. There may be times where damage needs to be stopped if No Quarter hasn't happened before the next add is about to spawn. No Quarter going off while an add is out should be avoided.
Yggdreant (Tree)
If Tree spawns within the first 3 adds, Malaise + Acumen, otherwise Malaise + Focus. With the increasing levels of later adds, we found that there was a tipping point where resists become too much of a problem to not run focus.
Light Threnody. x2 lux + x1 Tenebrae Rayke + Gambit. Storms from the BRD/SCH. True Flight from the RNG's, Leaden from the COR.
Cannopierce hurts real bad with the tank solo soaking it (along with perhaps a luopan). x3 Flabra Vallation/Valiance.
Constant Timber AoE doom spam (the removeable kind, smile).
Cehuetzi (Lion)
Similar to Tree, if Lion spawns within the first 3 adds, Malaise + Acumen, otherwise Malaise + Focus.
Fire Threnody, x3 Ignis Rayke + Gambit. Firestorm. Hot Shot from the RNGs and COR. Wildfire is an option for the COR if accuracy becomes a problem (i.e., if Lion is a later add and SV songs are not up).
The paralyze aura is quite brutal and depending on RNG, may really debilitate your tank's ability to spike hate on him. Tank can make a judgment call here to use Sforzo if enmity generation isn't going well. Losing hate on Lion, even if only for a moment before a jump gets used, can be run-ending due to his AoE full dispel.
Gabbrath (Dino) / Waktza (Bird)
Similar approach for both of these - Frailty/Fury. Last Stand.
Damage dealt is physical here, so the RNGs should coordinate a Super Jump around 50%, otherwise hate will likely be pulled before these adds die. Try to time the Super Jump right after a TP move as both of these have access to dispels (Static Prison from the Bird and Volcanic Stasis from the Dino).
Dino is particularly threatening to the tank (especially if he spawns later in the add order). We like entrusting an indi-wilt on the tank for Dino.
Rockfin (Shark)
Indi-wilt, Geo-frailty, entrust Barrier. Last Stand.
I haven't said it until now, but other than Shark, Bee, and while waiting for August's No Quarters, you should be fighting everything from 20'+.
Fight Shark inside the donut of Marine Mayhem (so everyone within 5' of him). If you try fighting him outside the donut, you will very likely have wipes to the wombo-combo of Protolithic Puncture (hate reset) on tank, followed by Marine Mayhem on the backline, which he can use at range while he's in transit from the tank to the backline, instantly killing everyone. A big downside of fighting him inside the donut is that everyone is now in range of August's Null Field. Since you're not shooting August during this time, he should only get off 3-4 TP moves while you're killing Shark and you either hope that none of those TP moves are Null Field, or at a minimum hope that neither of your rangers lose a song if a Null Field is used. Another layer of RNG.
Spread out around him within the donut - he's got conal moves. With frequent hate resets, we found the Wilt to be extremely important in preventing deaths. Panacea off debuffs. His autos are AoE and the BRD/SCH has a limited number of AoE heals, so the damage pressure gets a bit real here. Spreading out Valiance, One For All, Liement, and Odyllic are important resources for making it through. An early Shark spawn while Regen/Embrava are still up is dreamy, but he's doable without that.
Bztavian (Bee)
Bolster geo-frailty, indi-wilt, entrust fade. Last Stand.
Bee is THE most difficult of the Naakuals.
With constant hate resets, we found it best to fight him with everyone in melee range except the tank, who should keep August away to limit the chances of a Null Field hitting the group. Spread out around him since he also has conals.
Zombie, weakness, stun, and a potent paralyze on his TP moves make him really dangerous. The tank is not even attempting to hold hate here, so it's the backline eating all of these things. RNGs should save their Super/High Jumps for a bad Zombie. If they get paralyzed or stunned along with Zombie, the run may just be over.
I mentioned that the auras are more potent the higher level the add is (the later it spawns in the RNG order). Where this matters the most is with the Bee. His blink aura very noticeably has higher chances of absorbing hits the higher level he is. Having an early Bee spawn with pre-buffs and a shorter duration aura is extremely desirable.
In general, Double/Triple shot should be saved for every add. The adds dying as quickly as possible is one of the win conditions of the encounter - the regen August has while an add is out is very potent, so more damage output on the adds effectively does double duty. With Bee, these cooldowns, along with Overkill, felt particularly important in helping with the blink effect from the aura.
Teodor
Teodor's dark aura gives him Dread Spikes and provides his auto attacks with an en-doom effect. This doom is seemingly un-removeable. He rotates through several auto attacks, one of which is a 25' ranged attack that is also AoE, and everyone hit by it receives the doom. His aura also applies Avoidance Down to anyone in range, so parrying/blocking in hopes of avoiding the en-doom is off the table.
It's worth mentioning that Teodor could not be slept - we've tried both light (with NiTro) and dark sleeps. It's also quite difficult to even get to Teodor and when you do get to him 45min+ into a pull, you have exactly 30 seconds to test/try things before your tank dies from doom and everyone else dies very quickly thereafter. Hence why the encounter took so long to clear.
But I'm digressing - so yeah, a 25' ranged un-removeable AoE doom. Not really sure if the devs fully thought this one through or how they expected players were going to deal with him, but here is how we navigated it.
The approach involves a zombie/death rotation between the BRD, GEO, and COR. The tank holds August on one side of the arena (the entrance platform), and the BRD/GEO/COR take turns tagging Teodor and dying on the opposite side of the arena. Teodor does not spawn with shared hate on August, which is one detail that makes this possible. Another detail that makes this possible is the fact that you have control over where Teodor will spawn in the arena. He spawns exactly where the 6th Naakual was killed. If he always spawned on August, it would be very difficult/inconsistent for someone in the zombie group to tag him before he hits the tank with his first en-doomed auto attack. For this reason, we kill the 6th add near the Teodor corner in the image below, then drag August to the opposite side before pushing him to 30%.
When the next player up in the zombie cycle dies, Teodor will (somewhat) slowly leash back to the center of the arena (green arrow) as he no longer has anyone on his enmity list. An important note is that while he is leashing back to the center, he will not sight/sound aggro. Upon reaching his reset spot (which is pretty much directly in the center of the arena), he links to August and full sprints toward the tank. With a 3-man zombie rotation, it's possible to perpetually prevent him from crossing that threshold. To facilitate the re-raising, the BRD/GEO/COR loaded up on Scapegoats, items that give reraise and, importantly, are instant-use items that have no animation/spell/ability lockout after using them.
Dropping the BRD/GEO/COR from the party to do this zombie juggling may or may not be necessary, but it does offer extra wiggle room. As mentioned, some of Teodor's auto attacks are AoE, and if the zombie gamers are not in the same party, then they will not hit each other with those AoE's, allowing them all to zombie near each other in the furthest possible corner without worrying about perfect positioning.
Tank heals himself while this is all going on. Continue the zombie rotation for 6.5mins until his aura wears off, then allow him to reset to the center, link to August, and attack the tank. Killing Teodor is straightforward once the aura is off. Frailty/fury, Last Stand. GEO/WHM keeps banish 2/1 on cooldown because he's undead and why not.
To provide a rough DPS benchmark to be aiming for: Teodor needs to spawn with approximately 17mins left on the instance timer to allow for this.
Final Phase
Unlike the other adds, Teodor doesn't give August DT, but once August gets to 1%, he will take 0 damage if Teodor is still alive. Once Teodor dies, August uses Daybreak and restores his HP to 30%. Therefore even though you're able to, it's pointless for the RNGs to damage August while the BRD/GEO/COR zombie juggle Teodor. The RNGs can basically AFK while the juggling is going on.
After he restores to 30%, you're in the final zerg phase. August will keep his wings out for the remainder of the fight. He will use No Quarter at 20% and again at 10%. The end.
Some subjective thoughts/opinions in closing: the difficulty of this encounter is incredibly high as it currently stands. Miles ahead of Crystal Paradise in terms of the damage output required and party survivability. SE has "nerfed" this fight once already with an evasion tweak, but we found that adjustment to be barely noticeable. The solution we had to come up with for dealing with Teodor is obviously quite janky, and is surely not the intended way. It's possible that the adds' auras can be proc'ed, and if a method for that is ever discovered, the difficulty would be eased substantially.
Good luck to those who pursue this!
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