Null Gear For Frazzle/Distract 3 Or...

I think he's implying you need it on basement bosses. Obviously you don't need it upstairs.

I guess so, just checking.

Cool. An ML0 MNK has a whole lot more accuracy than the offhand of a BRD/NIN with a TP bonus dagger, so I'm not really sure what your point is exactly, but...it's probably not totally relevant to everyone fighting Gin.

He's probably just venting his monkhood trauma.

An ML 50 bard with SV madrigals has less acc than an ML0 MNK?

If am fighting Gin for the first and I am concerned about his evasiveness, someone telling me that an ML0 MNK has no issue hitting Gin definitely gives me a baseline comparison for other jobs and use cases. So, I'd say it's relevant.

Venting sick skinner box abuse of SE.

I doubt anyone is taking a RDM to kill Gin...

RDM is absolutely amazing in this scenario. lol. Probably much easier than MNK.

Don't need SV for those NMs either, they die too fast.

I mean, yeah, but if you can solo it on RDM and that was your best job what would you even be chasing? If you have full null drops and *** R30 belt... doubt you need Gin, I dunno bro

You guys really need to find some friends.

I just killed 2 NMs I had already cleared last night, including a T2. It's called, stick with me here, helping your friends.


Not everyone bots ML50.

_Maletaru gets called out.
_Maletaru activates Deflectaga VI


_Godfry uses logical chains of event:






Lili was the one bringing ML50 into the discussion. But if you are going to compare a MNK with a Bard, just to make a point, at least remember that bards can SV Madrigals.

Well, now that you ask...

MNK has A+ H2H skill: 424
BRD has B- Dagger skill: 388 (-36)
MNK gifts include 41 accuracy
BRD gifts include 21 accuracy (-56)
Godhands have 269 H2H skill plus 30 acc on the augment (-355)


Master levels give 88 accuracy to BRD (-267)
SV Blade Madrigal (with merits) gives 238 Accuracy to the BRD (-29)

So...I guess if the BRD also has Honor March, or a second Madrigal...then you're right. A SV BRD with multiple accuracy songs would have more acc than an ML0 MNK. Seems like a bit of a fallacious argument to make to me, but...sure. A BRD who's ML50 and casting SV Blade Madrigal + Honor March would have more accuracy than an ML0 MNK.

Assuming the MNK wasn't under focus, and had the same accuracy on gear, which everyone knows would never be the case since BRD TP gear sucks *** for accuracy and basically every piece of MNK's best gear includes heaps of accuracy.

So um...yeah. I don't think an ML50 BRD is likely to have more offhand accuracy than an ML0 MNK, no.

_Maletaru uses knowledge from Beyond!
It's super effective.

Thats presuming the ML0 monk is truly solo (aka no trusts), which i find highly unlikely to fight Gin. Ulmia and/or Joachim are present and its highly likely Madrigal(s) is/are present.

Yes, but if a bard with SV 2x Mad and Honor March is comparable to MNK's acc, then yeah, knowing that ML0 has no problem hitting is relevant to a BRD/NIN with a TP bonus dagger.

I was legitimately curious to know if a Bard in the above conditions would not be able to hit Gin, since that's what Maletaru was implying.

Solo means with trusts ofc

Avesta didn't need any trusts!

and SE even named a piece of gear after him.



/stirs pot

Our characters don't have free will because we're controlling them. But the universe is controlling us, so we don't have free will either.

We're just bots for the universe, man.

Here's the thing though.

The universe does not give a f**k about you.

...Who said it does? I sure as hell, didn't say that. So anyway, HERE's the thing:

Ok Zhu Li.

Stone 4? Obviously there's lots of better choices than Null here. Lethargy Chappel even at +2 is clearly better in every way. As for the three accessories, there's lots of choices that trade some of the M.Acc of Null for quite a bit more damage.