Which Aeonics Are Job Changing?

Monbro is for MP management for Kupipi, who is the main healer and terrible with MP reserve. Double ballads from bards, Refresh 3, and Koru throws out Haste 2. Mon can instant-remove Slow so Haste can get re-applied (but I think he's subbing run to resist it easier).

I don't want to derail the guy's thread, so maybe i contributed here, my point was Doji not needed for at least Kei fight, and nothing else I can think of.

its been stated prior in this thread by others and it still can't be stated enough: You will meet plenty of CORs and RNGs (yes, RNG is on the Fomalhaut? shocker.) who talk down Fomalhaut. I find most who do fit neatly into two categories: Those who view COR as a weak DD who's only there for everyone else to get rolls; or melee DDs who picked up COR without even a thought to ranged attacks outside of Leaden and QuickDraws.

Truth is, no matter how many people ***on Fomalhaut...they're all using its bullets. And if they're not, its just because they haven't made a Fomalhaut yet.

I very proudly have finished versions of all ranged legendary weapons- and all of them would suffer without the ammunition provided by making the Aeonics, both Marksmanship and Archery.

....ok, Gastra probably is ok without it ;)

Yea, I would say do Empy harp first out of all the REMA imo too. Its 50/75/75 in annoying(mostly souls), but is otherwise the easiest and most attainable.

I just checked my old logs because I havent fought Kei in forever. Closing light was doing anywhere between 70k to 99999 dmg and that was without Nyame. Throw in:
Stronger Fudo's from Nyame's higher WSD
Stronger SC damage from the stronger Fudo's and the SC bonus Nyame has
Those lights would all be 99999

Folmahuat with hotshot is nasty where it works. Capped dmg on wave 3 boss is no joke. Also, solo 3 step light is probably the fastest solo experience points a rng can do.

Your alleged math doesnt seem to be mathing.

4 step Radiance has a dmg multiplier of 2.1
4 step Light has a dmg multiplier of 1.75
Skillchain Bonus has a cap of 50%, Sam has 24 in traits/gifts, so can only get an extra 26 contributed from equipment. Aeonic AM is also subject to the cap, so completely irrelevant since Nyame comes with 28 in itself.

You're telling me with identical equipment and buffs with the only difference being the GKT, a Doji SAM will hit 99999 Radiance every time, but a Fudo Sam will only be hitting 99999 light rarely?

That extra 0.35 on the 4th WS multiplier is doing some really heavy lifting.

Unless I'm mathing this wrong, I'm going on the formula here

A 26k Fudo with Masa should cap out second Light damage
A 21k Fudo with Doji should cap out Radiance damage

By all means though, someone pls tell me I overlooked something. I may have skipped over the magic damage part of the formula?

Minor nitpick here but minuet V actually offers more atk than honor march. It might seem at a glance to be stronger, but minuet with JP and merits is 248, hmarch is 232 (no merits or jp).

You merited Minuet over Madrigal, Minne or Finale recast????

Minuet madrigal for me. Absolutely no to finale recast, and I use madrigal minuet WAY more often than minne, so that's a dead simple choice.

Minuet is #1, unquestionable best choice IMO.

I agree with the rest of the thread. No aeonic is job-changing or essential, but Marsyas is as close as it gets.

If you aren't gonna play BRD, the rest of the aeonics are just a nice little boost to your DPS.

Anyone else feel that stiff breeze?

26k average Fudo with Masa without real char BRD COR buffs is unheard of but 21k Fudo with Doji under the same scenario is perfectly realistic?

Good, glad you admit your numbers are ***. Then why is this discussion persisting?

First bolded line: Is this a typo??
Second bolded line: Nope, not a typo.

Anyways, the shield is removed after first SC. Are you sure you've fought Kei 300 times?

I can see others have already picked up on this but my guy is dishing out the “you’re missing the point” and making statements that are not even close to correct about an NM he has “fought 300 times”… my guys head is so gone… he is so lost.

Someone get in touch with Elon so we can collect this guys head from outer space

fudo > kasha = 2 step fusion- 0.6 multiplier
> Shoha 3 step light- 1.5
> Fudo double light- 1.75

just replace radiance with double light, but the boost remains you're getting 2.1 outta radiance sc as opposed to 1.75 from double light sc. SC damage is boosted in both paths

After reviewing all Aeonics, I feel the most job changing one is the bow.

Need to be the Apex Hunter.

Ok, so I'll be the first one to say it, but Chango isn't job changing for Warrior. It just changes your relationship with Upheaval.

So long as you have 5 merits in Upheaval, its damage on other Great Axes is still similar. Chango AM just gives it the Light property, which allows you to use it to close double Light/Radiance.

The reason this isn't job changing is because with any Great Axe, Warrior is capable of three step double Light as long as you've unlocked Ukko's Fury. Ukko's Fury is quite a bit weaker than Upheaval, but you can still obtain the same skillchain results that you do with a Chango without one.

People might cry, "WHaaaat?! The TP bonus on Chango! The 10% Upheaval damage!!!!!" But Lycurgos exists, and actually nets a higher TP bonus if your HP is full.

In fact, let's take a look at Lycurgos.



Lycurgos has more WSC mods than Chango, more base damage than Chango, and even a little cherry on top with Utu Grip WSC mod. It also has more attack. It also makes you tankier. Then, as a final insult, it has higher Macc by a sizeable degree(both in macc skill and in raw Macc+), meaning more accurate breaks.

To top it all off, Lycurgos is actually better for Warrior's standard 3/4 step Darkness SC, because it boosts Steel Cyclone damage. Quickest path to making Darkness (without using a Scythe) is to do Steel Cyclone > Keen Edge > Steel Cyclone. The other path is Upheaval > SC > Upheaval > SC for a 4 step Darkness.

This kind of means that Lycurgos is better than Chango outright. As an ardent, die hard WAR, I've used both a bunch. Chango didn't start to impress me until I had it over R10, but then only really for Light oriented multistepping. Once it's R15, the Upheaval boost becomes too much to ignore. But you still see better Darkness results with Lycurgos.

As for the other options, I'll throw my hat in the ring for Marsyas or Fomalhaut. There was an inaccurate comparison made last page about bullet use, but the Chrono Bullets are still the best physical bullets you can get, so it's worth it just for that alone.

The second best bullets you can get without REMA are the Voluspa Bullets from Domain Invasion points.



As you can see, they are essentially Chrono Bullets -1. A stack does cost 80 DI points though, so Chrono Bullets will make you money on top of being better.

I'd do Fomalhaut or Marsyas. Fomalhaut is real good for shooty shooty, and also opens up COR to being able to self double light. Marsyas literally gives BRD a song that it has not other way to get.

And Honor March is 4 songs in one, actually.

It is essentially Advancing March + Valor Minuet V + Sword Madrigal + Hunter's Prelude. That's right. An often forgotten thing about Honor March is that it gives RACC too! And even though I said Valor Minuet V in there, Honor March's atk+ is actually higher than Minuet V.

Marsyas is pretty much what you want. Honor March is ridiculously powerful. You can get 3 songs with other items and pretty much get by as a getto brd until you get 4 song.

I personally think Formal and Chango are 2nd. Not because they are the best but rather they are the easiest to get and pretty much everything else you get aren't that much better. So they aren't game-changing but more like upgrade to remove headaches.

God Hands and Doji are 3rd. They are good merely because they are easier to get and you can't go wrong with them most of the time.

Its not just HP being full you also need max HP at 2500 to be even and 2600-5000 HP to be higher TP bonus.

The attack from Honor March isnt actually higher than Minuet V because there are job point and merit increases that isn't reflected on the BGWiki tables for song+.

WAR's expected HP values at level 99 in most TP and WS sets exceeds 2600 and are generally around 3000 by ML30.

Before Job Gifts, Minuet V even with Minuet +9 still loses to Honor March +4 by 5 atk. After full 20/20 job gifts, HM loses by 15atk, but if they ever add song+ to Marsyas it gains +16atk per song+(they won't). It is literally a stronger song that they limit on purpose.

Point is just to drive home how potent Honor March is, as you're always going to use both anyway.

I like Vyre insight on Lycurgus, but being able to spam Upheaval at 1k TP is what makes chango interesting.