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 Bismarck.Vespertaru
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By Bismarck.Vespertaru 2025-12-12 20:27:22  
MelioraXI said: »
I've been looking at the data from Where Is NM and since I launched the tracker site in October. Obviously the data is only for those that has been using the windower addon that submits the data to the site so the number is probably guaranteed to be bigger.
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??? Found
All servers 
Temenos:
34
Apollyon:
183
Total: 217


Apollyon has been more popular but I'd imagine it has more to do with people wanting to rank up their Murky Ring rather than hunting for the ??? prior to the December 2025 update.

Some stats is available publicly on https://whereisnm.com/stats
When I get time, I'll probably expose the data for NM and ??? sightings.

I think this is a great addon. I can see why Bismarck is not on the list. We have a Discord server we keep each other updated with. Does the addon keep track of the ??? based on if you used it or if its in range?
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By Shichishito 2025-12-12 20:35:41  
Since the zone names have compass directions in them have you guys experimented with you or the mob facing the direction of the zone name or the opposite one during kill shot or while pulling?
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By Ragnarok.Royalrichierich 2025-12-12 20:46:53  
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For Apollyon CN, how did you kill them? Asking for lower population server.

So far, can land bind for 3-4 min, can’t gravity, Cant break. How did you separate them? Can a pup (2?!?) tank the adds? Is it just 3 fully buff shadow tank? Will be difficult to log 3 fully buff party for smaller server.

Thank you

2RDM - one for Wyrm; one for Vamprire, tank pulls Curator away from middle.

Don't fight in middle if you wipe they reset at spot and kinda hard to raise -

Curator was easy zerg just full de buff and kill

Vampire pull to the side and bind / sleep / break / lullaby till Curator was dead

Vampire seem it had AoE frontal charm - our RUN/NIN that was there did not get charmed he resisted it, but others that where fighting in front did get charmed (maybe a 30-45sec charm)

Wyrm we had 1 party with a rdm dedicate to bind / sleep / break / gravity to keep it in place far away from the 2 fights (last to kill)

Once we came over to Wrym to get him to land we needed COR's or RNG in area to WS down to 95% to land - then everyone zerg till about 50% once again flew up and rinse repeat Range, and then once again flew up at 20% - but the main issue was with wyrm keeping him in a corner due to his AOE sleep +1500dmg was a range to like 20' ???

(I'm not a pro at posting / ffxi - so hope this helps others)
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By Asura.Melliny 2025-12-12 21:29:58  
Do we actually have any firsthand testimonies from anyone who has actually seen the ??? spawn in any of the limbus zones from one of their party member kills? It could just be a random percentage chance the ??? spawns after the kill and it's just a matter of luck. I've only ever found the ??? by chance spotting it or being told it's at a certain location via the locations thread or a linkshell member reporting it. I don't think anyone in my shell has ever actually seen it spawn, and I know there have been extended times on Asura when there hasn't been any ??? up in a zone for days on end.
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By Ragnarok.Daveanna 2025-12-12 21:33:29  
We just popped the ??? in Temenos on Ragnarok, I watched it appear firsthand
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By Asura.Melliny 2025-12-12 21:38:35  
And did you do anything that seemed notweorthy? based on the list of things people have already checked off and what's left on the list of things to try

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botulus gimmick
Kill with elemental WS of current day
Kill with a light/dark skillchain
Secondary Target (not main target of AoEs)

among other possible speculations, my theory is it's just luck. But then again.... the ixion box condition in Sortie F took quite a while to nail down so maybe there is something to it. Any thoughts you might be able to add?
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By Ragnarok.Royalrichierich 2025-12-12 21:40:55  
Asura.Melliny said: »
And did you do anything that seemed notweorthy? based on the list of things people have already checked off and what's left on the list of things to try

Quote:
botulus gimmick
Kill with elemental WS of current day
Kill with a light/dark skillchain
Secondary Target (not main target of AoEs)

among other possible speculations, my theory is it's just luck. But then again.... the ixion box condition in Sortie F took quite a while to nail down so maybe there is something to it. Any thoughts you might be able to add?

It was Darksday ended up doing Leaden + Mumei did darkSC

??? Spawned
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By Ragnarok.Daveanna 2025-12-12 21:43:15  
It's feeling like it was a % drop based on how many we've killed today and yesterday. We were up to 15 when we finally got this one to pop. I was not in the party that killed, but was present as the ITG died. We've killed with a few different element/day and sc combos previously, and an ls member did the botulus method earlier as well.
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By Meeble 2025-12-12 23:09:26  
Ragnarok.Royalrichierich said: »
It was Darksday ended up doing Leaden + Mumei did darkSC

??? Spawned

To clarify - is the skillchain damage what killed it?
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By Ragnarok.Royalrichierich 2025-12-12 23:13:07  
No skillchain dmg did not kill it .

All I can assume was Dark day + Dark SC ? But other than that still confused as what made ??? appear.

Fight started only 2 engage SAM front - COR behind.. 1 Leaden, then thought of "oh why not just SC it for the heck of it" so then that is when planned to do a second leaden from behind + mumei to kick off a Dark SC
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By Chimerawizard 2025-12-13 00:05:35  
Ragnarok.Royalrichierich said: »
No skillchain dmg did not kill it .

All I can assume was Dark day + Dark SC ? But other than that still confused as what made ??? appear.

Fight started only 2 engage SAM front - COR behind.. 1 Leaden, then thought of "oh why not just SC it for the heck of it" so then that is when planned to do a second leaden from behind + mumei to kick off a Dark SC
pretty sure you leaden'd the previous ITG on the same darksday as well so would likely need to be the dark skillchain itself that did it.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2025-12-13 05:20:11  
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Ragnarok.Royalrichierich said: »
No skillchain dmg did not kill it .

All I can assume was Dark day + Dark SC ? But other than that still confused as what made ??? appear.

Fight started only 2 engage SAM front - COR behind.. 1 Leaden, then thought of "oh why not just SC it for the heck of it" so then that is when planned to do a second leaden from behind + mumei to kick off a Dark SC
pretty sure you leaden'd the previous ITG on the same darksday as well so would likely need to be the dark skillchain itself that did it.
Just tested this myself. Found the ITG, Solo darkness's with Wildfire on Darksday. It did not spawn.

Checking bug reports. It got accepted as an official bug

Edit: It's been killed a dozen times on sylph now with no pop.
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By Asura.Sechs 2025-12-13 05:31:48  
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Is this the cap? Maybe?
Nope, it's not xD
Just saw the acc part going up to 52
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By MelioraXI 2025-12-13 06:44:42  
Bismarck.Vespertaru said: »
MelioraXI said: »
I've been looking at the data from Where Is NM and since I launched the tracker site in October. Obviously the data is only for those that has been using the windower addon that submits the data to the site so the number is probably guaranteed to be bigger.
Code
??? Found
All servers 
Temenos:
34
Apollyon:
183
Total: 217


Apollyon has been more popular but I'd imagine it has more to do with people wanting to rank up their Murky Ring rather than hunting for the ??? prior to the December 2025 update.

Some stats is available publicly on https://whereisnm.com/stats
When I get time, I'll probably expose the data for NM and ??? sightings.

I think this is a great addon. I can see why Bismarck is not on the list. We have a Discord server we keep each other updated with. Does the addon keep track of the ??? based on if you used it or if its in range?
Yeah there is a likely big hidden number (not sure how to express this in english, we have a saying in Norwegian lol) from people using various discord communities.

Its based on when found/seen, nothing happens when you interacts with it.
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2025-12-13 07:14:08  
I just solo popped it on Sylph on COR



It was watersday, I did All Reverberation, Fragmentation, Darkness and Light skillchains. (In that order)
I killed it with Water shot. Ilvl 119.

??? is West Temenos. Floor 3 for the people who need it.
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By Ragnarok.Royalrichierich 2025-12-13 07:38:09  
Oooh ! Congrats on POP ??? - Guess the requirements for an objective have correlation to weather day ?
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By Sylph.Shadowlina 2025-12-13 07:48:32  
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Oooh ! Congrats on POP ??? - Guess the requirements for an objective have correlation to weather day ?
I think it's highly bugged. I saw a lot of people on Sylph trying for it, trying things suggested here and ideas from JP players. My first few yielded no results, including things like dark skillchains on darksday. hence the kitchen sink with my and elements and weather.

I heard of SCH skillchaining the elements that matches the day. Long skillchain chains. Being specific item levels, Killing it with the elemental weakness of the enemy. AoE splash damage from another enemy.

I effectively killed it the same as any other report. I just killed it with a Job abillity with the weather matching to be certain. Which in the last day i hadn't seen anyone mention.
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By GetHelpNerd 2025-12-13 08:20:21  
it could also be totally random and not based on weather/etc at all, which would explain why so many of you are thinking it is "bugged"
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-12-13 08:48:49  
Its just a random chance but everyone has to sperg out trying a list of the dumbest ***imaginable instead of just accepting it might not spawn for no reason
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By Ragnarok.Siyual 2025-12-13 09:02:07  
It could very well be random chance, but that doesn't explain why it appears so disproportionately to Apollyon's, despite numerous groups running both zones daily.

It could be something really dumb like "kill X NM's with magic damage" in Temenos and "kill X NM's with physical damage" in Apollyon for all we know.

(Not trying to add more fuel to conspiracy, but SE loves their simple yet stupid hidden mechanics like that)
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By Bahamut.Bojack 2025-12-13 09:26:10  
Kill shot while wearing at least 1 piece of AF in Apollyon, and kill while wearing at least 1 piece of Relic in Temenos?
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By Taint 2025-12-13 09:37:11  
We've spawned at least 3 ??? in Apollyon just randomly. Standard party set-up just killing mobs. We always assumed it had a chance to spawn after the last ??? timed out.
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By SimonSes 2025-12-13 11:09:49  
Omega on Bahamut down.

90min fight with all the mess at start. Would be around 50min probably after we figured out what to do.
Spawns adds (spectators called Omega's Bit) every 10% or something like that. Like 6-8 of them and it won't wait until one is dead. All of them can be up at the same time if not killed fast enough. Adds has strong AoE (600-1000), so they easily mass kill people if there is no cures. Adds can also do shock spikes that I was removing with Osmosis, which greatly helped. Adds has like 400-500k HP maybe. 50k Expiacion was doing like 10-15%.
Mischief was tanking Omega so he will be able to tell more, but 4 legs has magic shield and chock spikes that cant be dispelled with Atomos or Osmosis (Osmosis couldnt work because of magic shield). there is no shock spikes at 2 legs (it switch based on % or time imo). It very melee friendly during 2 legs phase. During 4 legs its pretty much ranged fight or Regain + WS from melee. Key is too kill adds when they spawn, then focus Omega when adds are dead.
Gave Apollyon Ravager title despite being called Omega Forerunner
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By Shiva.Thorny 2025-12-13 11:32:24  
So, did the chest change colors on Bahamut? Or, does Omega just cease to exist for the next 2521 days and the new items won't be dropping until January?
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By Bahamut.Mischief 2025-12-13 11:45:04  
Omega Forerunner:

Starts in four-legged mode, and switches between that and two-legged mode periodically.

Both modes:
-Has far higher health and defense compared to the other Limbus NMs. With about 200 in zone, it still took well over an hour to finally drop the thing (though the first half was mostly a death fest).
-Hits for ~1000 damage per auto attack, but has no multi-attack and rather slow attack speed. Evasion tanking no longer works, but shadows are very nice for tanks.
-Uses TP moves at the same rate as the other limbus NMs, every ~15 seconds regardless of TP. Uses all Omega TP moves.
-Form shifts seem to be HP% based, or maybe it's based on killing all the adds? There were periods where it stayed in one or the other for a long time.

Four-legged mode:
-Spawns multiple Omega's Bit adds at seemingly random locations (possibly targeted on players). These adds effectively act as fetters, in that they don't move and frequently use Electrocharge to damage everyone in range. They can (and probably should) be killed fairly quickly. There seems to be a limit to how many he spawns each phase shift.
-Discharger's Shock Spikes effect can do up to 800 damage per hit unresisted. It's coupled with Magic Shield, so Dispels can't work, but Atomos seemed to be able to remove it. Alternatively, just throw RNGs at it and let the melee focus on the adds.
-It can't use Pile Pitch (hate reset) if it's being tanked from behind, making it pretty easy to handle aside from Shock Spikes.

Two-legged mode:
-Uses two TP moves in a row whenever it uses TP. Between this and Colossal Blow's hate reset, it can get rather chaotic.
-Pod Ejection is one of its TP moves, spawning one Omega's Bit. This version is a normal add, meleeing for ~300-400 per hit and giving itself Shock Spikes with a TP move. These, again, can and should be killed fairly quickly.


TL;DR pew pew Omega, kill adds ASAP, be ready to be there a while. It's overall less stupid than something like the Wyrm, but people will die FAST if the adds start to stack up or people melee into Shock Spikes.

After Omega died, the CN opening requirement message vanished from the Operator. No change to the chest colors yet, have to wait three weeks for that.
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By Bahamut.Navius 2025-12-13 11:59:20  
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Gave Apollyon Ravager title despite being called Omega Forerunner

This is just for talking to the Operator, and was re-added this month (mentioned in the update notes) since it was removed from old Limbus. The Omega fight itself doesn't give any titles, drops, etc. No new titles were added this month. Fun fight, though.
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By MelioraXI 2025-12-13 12:49:27  
Down on Shiva. It was a long fight.
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By Phoenix.Dabackpack 2025-12-13 13:34:58  
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
For Apollyon CN, how did you kill them? Asking for lower population server.

So far, can land bind for 3-4 min, can’t gravity, Cant break. How did you separate them? Can a pup (2?!?) tank the adds? Is it just 3 fully buff shadow tank? Will be difficult to log 3 fully buff party for smaller server.

Thank you

2RDM - one for Wyrm; one for Vamprire, tank pulls Curator away from middle.

Don't fight in middle if you wipe they reset at spot and kinda hard to raise -

Curator was easy zerg just full de buff and kill

Vampire pull to the side and bind / sleep / break / lullaby till Curator was dead

Vampire seem it had AoE frontal charm - our RUN/NIN that was there did not get charmed he resisted it, but others that where fighting in front did get charmed (maybe a 30-45sec charm)

Wyrm we had 1 party with a rdm dedicate to bind / sleep / break / gravity to keep it in place far away from the 2 fights (last to kill)

Once we came over to Wrym to get him to land we needed COR's or RNG in area to WS down to 95% to land - then everyone zerg till about 50% once again flew up and rinse repeat Range, and then once again flew up at 20% - but the main issue was with wyrm keeping him in a corner due to his AOE sleep +1500dmg was a range to like 20' ???

(I'm not a pro at posting / ffxi - so hope this helps others)


Gavroches and I ran double RDM last night on the mantis/turtle/worm wave with a similar idea, and keeping bind/grav/break on the mantis and worm worked really well until some rando popped in zone and slapped the mantis, leading to a full MPK.

I hope eventually people learn to NOT attack the mobs that are slept, but who knows......
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