Damage Question (Resolve Ambiguity)
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Damage Question (Resolve Ambiguity)
I am looking for a definitive answer to whether an ammo piece for a ranged weapon's DMG and stats are counted into regular melee attacks and non-ranged WS attacks. That is, does it benefit me to have Hauksbok Bullet equipped when doing Savage Blade?
Ammo counts, but I fail to see why the bullet in question matters for savage blade.
You likely meant arrow. Why would either bullet or arrow matter for Savage Blade? Or for that matter, whether there's even a ranged weapon equipped at all (outside of whatever stat boost it might potentially give, e.g. 17 STR & DEX on Arasy Bow +1 or something).
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You clearly don't know what the arrow is, I see
Nor does Hya, apparently Bayeaux Arrow STR+20. I don't see how that's not covered under what I said, "outside of whatever stat boost it might potentially give."
The original question, unless I'm misreading it, is whether ammo DMG affects non-ranged WS like Savage Blade. Bahamut.Turambar said: » ACSHUALLY (sorry, had to) he said, "DMG and stats", and afaik, DMG no, stats yes.
And you should be using Hauksbok Arrow for Savage Blade unless I missed something in the last year. There is a note below the arrow:
Quote: Notes The +20% Weapon Skill Damage applies to any weapon skill, not solely ranged. I dont think there is any ambiguity here.
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it would also take like 4 WS to "test" this on your own and verify how ambiguous it is, as well.
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So RNG needs a TP Bonus Bow and COR needs a TP Bonus gun? Lame!
I really want to troll! I REALLY want to troll.... but im not going to.
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: » So RNG needs a TP Bonus Bow and COR needs a TP Bonus gun? Lame! COR absolutely needs a TP Bonus gun.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Lakshmi.Byrth said: » So RNG needs a TP Bonus Bow and COR needs a TP Bonus gun? Lame! COR absolutely needs a TP Bonus gun. Nothing that really matters content-wise that I can think of (Dyna-D, Omen, Segs, etc.,) but any content where savage blade is effective, RNG is the strongest DD user if you've got the gear for it. People keep telling me that kclub ranger is hot ***in limbus but I haven't parsed any of them to actually verify
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Its got a nice wsd lead(since everyone largely uses the same wsd set) and kclubs got insane tp rate along with rng having one of the highest natural accuracies due to trait+gifts, so makes sense itd be pound for pound better at meme blade than most if not all the others. Theres just not much else it can do in that setup so its kinda a waste unless youre only pushing for dps. Bunch of the other meme blade jobs can do other stuff while doimg meme blade
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I used RNG in ultima/omega master trial. SB on ultima using the TP bonus bow, TF on omega with gastra. So, there may not be a ton of content where you're doing SB, but there's at least some.
It might also just be your best DD job. Not everyone has SAM WAR DRK DRG or whatever. With KC, TP bonus bow, and WSD arrow it's a beast with SB. Also: I use prime bullet for SB because Enmity-50 (for COR, not RNG)
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Not everyone has SAM WAR DRK DRG or whatever. With KC, TP bonus bow, and WSD arrow it's a beast with SB. I'd bet the farm that there is at most one active player who meets this criteria of not having any heavy DD jobs geared but has RNG geared with a KC. only on FFXIAH can there be a discussion about why +1 necks are valid for gil concerns then have another discussion about why KC RNG is amazing and you should gear for it like everyone has a KC. There is only maybe one thing that makes me seethe more than a melee-kclub-savage-blade-Ranger.
Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Not everyone has SAM WAR DRK DRG or whatever. With KC, TP bonus bow, and WSD arrow it's a beast with SB. I'd bet the farm that there is at most one active player who meets this criteria of not having any heavy DD jobs geared but has RNG geared with a KC. only on FFXIAH can there be a discussion about why +1 necks are valid for gil concerns then have another discussion about why KC RNG is amazing and you should gear for it like everyone has a KC. Well...Mekillthings has: NIN RNG COR BRD WHM BLM RDM SCH GEO MNK So I mean, I guess if you count MNK as a heavy DD she has one, but if the target is resistant to blunt, my best DD is SB RNG or SB NIN. So...I guess there is at least one. Maletaru and Mekillthings are controlled by one active player, which is explicitly why I defined "one active player" instead of "one character" because I figured some idiot would be like "well if I move my kraken to my pocket alt that doesnt have a heavy DD job geared, it fits the criteria and your a wrong stupidface".
Yes, I wrote "your" just to drive the nail home of whos calling me a wrong stupidface. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Not everyone has SAM WAR DRK DRG or whatever. With KC, TP bonus bow, and WSD arrow it's a beast with SB. I'd bet the farm that there is at most one active player who meets this criteria of not having any heavy DD jobs geared but has RNG geared with a KC. only on FFXIAH can there be a discussion about why +1 necks are valid for gil concerns then have another discussion about why KC RNG is amazing and you should gear for it like everyone has a KC. Well...Mekillthings has: NIN RNG COR BRD WHM BLM RDM SCH GEO MNK So I mean, I guess if you count MNK as a heavy DD she has one, but if the target is resistant to blunt, my best DD is SB RNG or SB NIN. So...I guess there is at least one. Inb4 several other people post in this thread that they meet this criteria. Not everyone likes heavy DD jobs, and RNG benefits greatly from KC. It's not some absurd scenario for a RNG to have a KC, and it's not crazy to think someone would prefer not to play heavy DDs.
Who gives a *** whether the human piloting the character has another character, it's irrelevant. Is Maletaru also not a valid character because I have a second character? What kind of backwards *** logic is that? Asura.Hya said: » it's extremely unlikely to find a single player who has no other DD jobs leveled except Ranger with kclub given the exorbitant price and insane rarity of the weapon. I can't swap characters in the middle of a gaol run, mekillthings can't get credit for a kill i got on maletaru, etc. So I don't see how it's relevant which jobs a different character has. Making the distinction about a player instead of a character is weird.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Lakshmi.Byrth said: » So RNG needs a TP Bonus Bow and COR needs a TP Bonus gun? Lame! COR absolutely needs a TP Bonus gun. Wtf are you rage baiting? Lol RNG is the best kclubber for this exact reason For *** sake stop making me like Maletarus posts because he's the more rational person in the room... god damn Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Who gives a *** whether the human piloting the character has another character, it's irrelevant. Is Maletaru also not a valid character because I have a second character? What kind of backwards *** logic is that? Multibotted characters are not a fair comparison to the average player, as they enjoy the benefits of all the accounts in the fastfollow. You can simply trade your 1bil item from character to character for the needs of the content, people who only play one can do no such thing, they straight up just don't have the item. You could make a brand new character, give it kclub, then say "well I know of fresh chars that have it, so everyone should".
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Quote: different people have different amounts of gil Mind. Blown. Carbuncle.Maletaru said: » Who gives a *** whether the human piloting the character has another character, it's irrelevant. The one Yagursh I have is on a char with no well geared heavy DD jobs. The one Carn/Daur I have is on a char with no well geared heavy DD jobs. Why would I gear my YagWHM and 4 song Carn BRD to do heavy DD stuff when I already have chars for that? Yes its very relevant that your pocket mule fills certain roles and has others omitted. Asura.Hya said: » Multibotted characters are not a fair comparison to the average player, as they enjoy the benefits of all the accounts in the fastfollow. Well, I've never used fastfollow or a bot, so i think you might've missed the mark on this one there bud. I don't understand how there is any contention here. Ranger is inarguably one of the least popular jobs in the game. Very, very few people have the job geared. Typically, it's only veterans, who are highly likely to have some other Unga bunga DD jobs leveled already. To add kclub to the requirements for this further reduces the potential population of single players who fit this criteria. We aren't talking about someone's sixth character who gets the benefit of six time's worth of Ambu, Dynamis, Limbus, etc. rewards, but a single person.
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