Lehko Vs. Cornelia Vs. Ephramad

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Lehko vs. Cornelia vs. Ephramad
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By Asura.Melliny 2026-03-09 14:26:47  
Accuracy requirements for events almost always fall into one of two categories

1. Easily capped via standard gear; Generally no higher than 1200-1250 needed. Nowadays most end game sets have 1350-1400 with some jobs closer to 1500.

2. Accuracy requirements that are so high your best bet is to have your bard sing a madrigal (or two) to hit it

The accuracy on cornelia's and ephramaud's isn't the point of this discussion. It's just an afterthought.

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When buffed by a party, a well geared RDM becomes a monster of a DD. If RDM had more PDL, you would regularly see RDMs out damage dedicated DDs. It's like one or two FFXI intern incidents away from just being God. Trust and believe that more PDL gear on it would pay dividends.

I have seen red mage's do astonishingly high dps in limbus. This man speaks true.

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Honestly, lowering mob level to 119 saves maybe 3 minutes. I did this time comparison of 119 vs 130. I dont know how much time you'd save dropping from 135 to 128, but I'd be willing to bet its a double digit number when counted in seconds. Half the time spent climbing is running from portal to portal and fighting with access to port up.

This is a side discussion but it's also true. I've done parties that lowered their Ilvl by a small amount. It's never worth it. Either go I135 or I119. The in between's are a waste.

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You boost attack and lower enemy defense whenever possible.

Depends on the event. If we're talking Oddy T3 nms then sure. If we're talking trash mob farming in limbus or seg farms then no. Those mobs are dying so fast that you're not stacking debuffs all the time. Some groups will have a geo, while others won't. Sometimes the mobs get dia'd, but usually they're dead long before anyone has a chance. Almost nobody EVER casts dia on the first few floors of seg farm mobs and rarely the latter, and I'd wager the same is true for most of limbus too. The most likely mobs to be dia'd are the ones the rdm is fighting directly, not the ones the other dd's are soloing.
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By Asura.Sechs 2026-03-09 14:49:55  
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
So you're concerned over two seconds per floor
It's a bit more than that, I forgot to account for the global cast cooldown.
Regardless of that though, I'm in no way concerned at all!
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-03-09 15:19:16  
Asura.Melliny said: »
Depends on the event. If we're talking Oddy T3 nms then sure. If we're talking trash mob farming in limbus or seg farms then no. Those mobs are dying so fast that you're not stacking debuffs all the time. Some groups will have a geo, while others won't. Sometimes the mobs get dia'd, but usually they're dead long before anyone has a chance. Almost nobody EVER casts dia on the first few floors of seg farm mobs and rarely the latter, and I'd wager the same is true for most of limbus too. The most likely mobs to be dia'd are the ones the rdm is fighting directly, not the ones the other dd's are soloing.

No, you will stop and apply max debuffs to every monster I target so that I can feel like I'm playing optimally.....
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-09 15:28:06  
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Asura.Vyre said: »
But my experience with those that do go regularly is that they lower the level of the mobs to 128 or less to make climbs faster by giving the mobs less HP and stats. Sometimes just 119 to get the climbs for the week in.
Honestly, lowering mob level to 119 saves maybe 3 minutes. I did this time comparison of 119 vs 130. I dont know how much time you'd save dropping from 135 to 128, but I'd be willing to bet its a double digit number when counted in seconds. Half the time spent climbing is running from portal to portal and fighting with access to port up.

The exception to this is if you lack an ideal party setup. I joined a PUG Apollyon last Saturday night for 119, marketed as a "fast 119 clear for box". They didn't have a COR, and the jobs were 2 NIN as DD (one wasn't properly geared), RDM (a good DD one here) GEO (non idris) BRD (didnt SVCC entire fight) WHM. It took just about the same amount of time as I normally could do it in a good 135 setup with ideal buffs/jobs, but it was better than nothing. So I think the takeaway is that groups who are geared for it and have the proper setup/buffs should always 135, unless the party is less-than-ideal, than lowering the Content Level makes sense. It would have taken forever for us to clear 135.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Jakey 2026-03-09 15:28:25  
Best kill speed is not always best parse.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-03-09 15:32:58  
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
The exception to this is if you lack an ideal party setup.
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By Asura.Vyre 2026-03-09 15:34:30  
Asura.Melliny said: »
Accuracy requirements for events almost always fall into one of two categories

1. Easily capped via standard gear; Generally no higher than 1200-1250 needed. Nowadays most end game sets have 1350-1400 with some jobs closer to 1500.

2. Accuracy requirements that are so high your best bet is to have your bard sing a madrigal (or two) to hit it

The accuracy on cornelia's and ephramaud's isn't the point of this discussion. It's just an afterthought.

They're not an after thought for me. The point of the discussion is the rings in total, and trying to hammer it down to just WS sets onry is disingenuousness at its finest.

1. What content is that? I know Gaol requirements are fairly low, even at V25, but stuff like Sortie Basement or Dyna D Wave 3 require those higher values + accuracy buffs, even evasion debuffs. Accuracy's still really relevant. Plus partial and full dispels/debuffs happen, so you will spend time without buffs in a lot of fights(or with debuffs that counteract your buffs, which the removal of is sometimes not an option), too.

2. Went over in 1, so I'll say here that the TP Bonus offhands are part of the meta, and tend to require extra accuracy to not be offsetting their gains by lowering your WS frequency from missing too much with offhand swings. An extra 12 to 17 accuracy in a single slot is pretty nice imo.

3. For newer players who don't have RP'd gear or instant access to fully reforged +3s/+4s AF/R/Empy, the Accuracy can be quite the boon while progressing(not too mention carries to Ou to get Regal Rings are not an everyday thing). As stated before, it's even a boon for solo players with Trusts given trust behavior in relation to attack buffs vs. accuracy buffs, since Trusts don't read WSacc nor player intent.
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By Asura.Melliny 2026-03-09 15:42:12  
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They're not an after thought for me. The point of the discussion is the rings in total, and trying to hammer it down to just WS sets onry is disingenuousness at its finest.


The discussion is primarily focused on the benefits of ephramaud's PDL versus cornelia's 10 WSD. The 7 accuracy difference between the two rings is not a highlight of the discussion here. Especially with the mention that the first hit of all weaponskills receives a 100 accuracy bonus. It was already mentioned that ephramaud's is a weaponskill ring just as much as cornelia's ring is. You're probably better off wearing a tp gain ring for the tp phase.

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1. What content is that? I know Gaol requirements are fairly low, even at V25, but stuff like Sortie Basement or Dyna D Wave 3 require those higher values + accuracy buffs, even evasion debuffs.

And you just proved my point. If you're farming trash mobs in limbus or segment farming you're probably capped on accuracy. If you're fighting F and H basement bosses or wave 3 dyna NMs you need the madrigal. That's exactly what I said. The accuracy breakpoints are either low enough to cap naturally or so high you need to adjust your support buffs to accomodate. There is almost no in between. Seg farm and limbus is category 1, while basement bosses and wave 3 nms are category 2. We're talking 7 accuracy here. It exists yes. But it's not the reason you would choose one ring over the other. There is no world where you switch from one ring to the other because of "accuracy issues". You know this just as well as I do.
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By Asura.Saevel 2026-03-09 15:55:56  
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Best kill speed is not always best parse.

Lies!

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By Asura.Clintbeastwood 2026-03-09 16:07:03  
Asura.Melliny said: »
Looks like just another case of our localization team doing its finest work. How you manage to get 10 out of 20 though is beyond me.

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No DRG for party, camp spot site with 30 dmg, but is it for 20 like 30 dmg when you no hit be it for dd, for 30 dmg instead? or half is 10 for 20 dmg?

Oh wait, never mind. They must be using AI to do all the translation work now. That's how you get 10 from 20. (it's probably more likely than you think)


God I miss the Allakhazam forum days lol
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By Asura.Melliny 2026-03-09 16:20:36  
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God I miss the Allakhazam forum days lol


Yeah, but that whole thing is only true if a ranger shoots.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2026-03-09 16:32:16  
Trying to get people to agree on Cornelias VS Ephramads is equivalent to asking Democrats and Republicans to vote for the same candidate...

Also, FWIW, and I'm sure the same folks will shake their fingers and say "Lolol what content is that even relevant in"....
But yes Ephramad's is best for accuracy sets unironically. Particularly useful for ranged acc toggles, or master trial fights where the loss of 6 STP isnt as important as a gain in 20 acc+
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By syllreve 2026-03-09 16:38:54  
Asura.Saevel said: »
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The PDL on it is doing absolutely nothing, sure... but the ring itself isnt doing "Absolutely Nothing".
In the context of the discussion, that ring slot is frequently taken by regal ring.

The difference between Regal and Ephramad's is the 10 PDL, which is why the discussion revolves around that.

Regal Ring isn't all jobs equippable.


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I'd also argue that most party compositions have access to Dia II. In reality it's usually 5% def down and +55 ATT (RDM) vs 20-25% def down and +20% ATT (BLU). Not to mention that BLU could drop /DRG for /WAR without losing dual wield to add Berserk and Warcry.
BLU is typically using Tizona, and RDM naegling; so while they will get that +20% from triumphant roar, RDM would get a comparable atk% boost from naegling's passive so it's not so wide a difference on that front.


Asura.Melliny said: »

The discussion is primarily focused on the benefits of ephramaud's PDL versus cornelia's 10 WSD. The 7 accuracy difference between the two rings is not a highlight of the discussion here. Especially with the mention that the first hit of all weaponskills receives a 100 accuracy bonus. It was already mentioned that ephramaud's is a weaponskill ring just as much as cornelia's ring is. You're probably better off wearing a tp gain ring for the tp phase.
That's sort of the point; if the benefits of 10 wsd vs 10 pdl are warranting this much discussion, then looking for secondary benefits matter as a discussion point that may sway your decision one way or the other.

Cornelia's only ever has value during WS, while Ephramad's is valuable for WS and also has the highest Acc of any ring in the game, providing value where Cornelia's has none, especially for jobs that are acc starved, or are excluded from better gear, or both.


Asura.Melliny said: »
And you just proved my point. If you're farming trash mobs in limbus or segment farming you're probably capped on accuracy. If you're fighting F and H basement bosses or wave 3 dyna NMs you need the madrigal. That's exactly what I said.
His point was you need Madrigal/Distract, AND to put more acc in to your TP set, not one or the other.