Yet Another SAM Gear Advice Thread

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 Hades.Exion
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:27:40  
Yukki/Gekko/Kasha is a one hit weaponskill. So in non merit situations having a decent chunk of accuracy is recommended.

Wearing hachimankote/+1/ is better than tping in dusk. 6 hit build > 3% haste.

Assuming he has max merits all he'd have to do is drop dusk and equip hachiman hands in order to obtain a 6 hit build. The extra storetp would carry over in weaponskill and he would be fine.

And are we really arguing 8 STR + 8 ACC VS 6 STR 6 DEX 12 ACC 12 ATK?
The smiloden arguement is ridiculous as well.

Go test it
3 STR 15 atk > 5 STR.
Attack has some modifications on your weaponskills.

Why do you tp in Ace's Helm?
^^ this is the people giving you advice. lol...
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 02:46:22  
The Ace's helm part was rhetorical.

You're wrong about Smilodon, you're wrong about ACC on WS, and you're wrong about the dusk comment, because that 20% haste set using Rose strap IS A SIX-HIT BUILD.

Can you people not *** read? If you want to know how to do this right OP, please send me a PM. There's too many wrong answers in this thread, and I half expect someone to promote a Shinsoku for you next.



In case you're wondering, extensive testing has been done on YGK, they have an immense attack bonus which in most cases puts you WAY over the pDIF cap on most mobs. You don't need the attack. On high defense mobs, sure. Why not. However, Gekko more often than not doesn't need the attack boost. We're not talking about Tachi: Kaiten, which relies on attack so much it's crazy to use on anything tough. It's YGK, which you SHOULD know about if you read something other than your chat log.

There's also been extensive testing on WSacc, and it's been shown that 1-hit WS have an immense accuracy bonus. I've seen it first hand on parsers, so please don't spew garbage about something you don't know ***about.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:49:22  
Mkay well using ACC on WS allows for you to use meat
and Meat + using acc gear > Sushi and using STR Gear.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 02:51:12  
Wrong.

YGK HAVE AN ACCURACY BONUS THAT CAPS YOUR ACC AT OR AROUND 95% ON ALMOST ANYTHING.

Meaning: You can have like 75% accuracy with your normal swings, and still have 95% wsACC. Tested multiple times, I've seen it in my own parser.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:51:51  
Your 95% cap on most HNM/Boss/NM Fights? Bull ***
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 02:52:37  
Weapon skill accuracy? Yeah. If you're not, your character is broken.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:53:19  
For the most part we wear the same gear, I don't really know why your arguing.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 02:54:15  
Because you're giving them wrong information. Osode >>>>>>>>>>> Haubergeon +1 for WS.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:55:05  
Haven't seen it on my parser /nin or /war. If there is a difference its possibly 20-30 DMG tops
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 02:55:54  
...........

Stop giving the OP advice please.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 02:56:55  
Lol
Post your gear sets
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By Fenrir.Dascorp 2009-12-25 03:02:05  
Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
...........

Stop giving the OP advice please.

I hope you dont tp in usu pants unless you have full usu set. I seen a lot of people do that. That just equals fail to me, cause kitty pants are better, unless usu full set...

and why you tp in usu body? haub+1 ftw, not like you need the store tp from it if you got usu feet.

I'm just looking at your avatar pic
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:05:15  
Thats why i asked for him to post his gears
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By Fenrir.Dascorp 2009-12-25 03:07:45  
Hades.Exion said:
Thats why i asked for him to post his gears


doesnt look like he has bushi earring, that means he isnt very serious about sam, go go suppo earring?
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:12:38  
just got myself a pair of dusk gloves +1 for 18 lol
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:14:50  
I don't have Bushi? Really.

TP:


WS:


Yep, not serious at all. I also have Justice Torque, Love Torque (For polearm set of course), and 14/15 on Usukane. (Love Hammerblow not dropping.)
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:17:02  
Why wouldnt you TP in Justice torque then if you have it?
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:17:48  
Because it's inferior to PCA? It's only 6.3acc/att.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:18:32  
Its 7 atk/acc.
And why are you using sword grip over pole?
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:18:59  
10atk 7acc*
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By Fenrir.Dascorp 2009-12-25 03:19:08  
Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
I don't have Bushi? Really.

TP:


WS:


Yep, not serious at all. I also have Justice Torque, Love Torque, and 14/15 on Usukane. (Love Hammerblow not dropping.)

yes really check your gear history

Suppanomimi 2009-10-16 20:31:23 Ear
Bushinomimi 2009-10-04 08:14:30 Ear

lol @ cush and usu body
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:20:47  
Hes fantastic at pulling numbers out of his *** as well lol
I guess STR doesnt give attack anymore :(
Didnt hear that update
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:21:22  
It's 6.3. After 200 skill, you only gain .9 acc/att per skill level. That's known widely.

As for sword strap, I'm making 17.7tp/swing with my current set, which provides a ton of accuracy. Sword strap is essentially 3% delay reduction, which takes two tenths of a second off my attack round, and only brings me down to 17.0tp/swing, which is more than enough to maintain a 6-hit build.

Don't have to believe me, I know I'm right about my numbers.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:23:22  
P.S.

Gear history doesn't lie. Figure that one out.
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:23:23  
Well your wrong in saying that Justice is 6.3 atk
and you're referencing charts. mind linking?
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:24:56  
I'm not referencing any charts. FFXICalculator gives me all the information I need after plugging in my information. It's a great program, look it up.

Also, I was referring to the 7skill on Justice, I wasn't thinking about the STR. So technically, it's 6.3ACC, 9.3~ attack. Technically you weren't right either.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2009-12-25 03:25:16  
Pandemonium.Vincentius said:
100.1 is perfectly safe. You can't possibly get LESS TP on a swing, so that's some pretty crappy logic there >_>....

if your timing on gearswaps is off you can accidentally get a melee hit off in your ws gear

i do it all the time trying to close skillchains >.>

not to mention my laptop is laggy as hell so blinks take forever -.-

but anyways i like to have a little extra as reassurance to keep my 6 hit
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By Hades.Exion 2009-12-25 03:25:54  
and 6.3 acc, 9.3 attack < 10 acc?
your the one talking about how much natural accuracy samurai has, which it does.
so why would pca be superior?
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:26:03  
If you get one hit off in your WS gear, you end up at 100.0 in that set.
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By Pandemonium.Vincentius 2009-12-25 03:26:38  
Hades.Exion said:
and 6.3 acc, 9.3 attack < 10 acc?
your the one talking about how much natural accuracy samurai has, which it does.
so why would pca be superior?


I was talking about natural WEAPON SKILL accuracy.
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