What Builds Are You Working On?

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What builds are you working on?
 Fairy.Vegetto
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 12:12:12  
Chaos hands and Ohat have no stp as far as I know, so how does removing dusk hands (or turban) make a difference in a 5hit and a 6hit?
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 12:14:10  
You should really scroll back sir.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-02-08 12:18:34  
Still sounds really bad to me. Why would you want Madrigal in a meripo? I'd rather have haste gear and march/march.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 12:22:43  
Your posts are scattered all over the page, but it seems your main concern is 5hit w/ 95% hitrate.

once you get enough stp for 5hit, I still don't see how acc is going to beat haste.

Your build leaves room for turban/dusk/swift/homam/homam = 18% haste.

Let's say you wanted to swap off dusk gloves for chaos gauntlets+1

going from 18 to 15% haste. Chaos hands+1 will give 8 acc

Let's say your hitrate is 80%. 4/80 = 5% increase.

15% haste in gear, march (just 1), haste. = 15 + 11 + 15 = 41% haste. Going go 18% haste (dusk gloves) = 3/56 = 5.36% increase. You're going to land more hits w/ dusk >.> (especially if you use hasso and/or have a 2nd march)

Again, your posts are scattered all over the place, but why would you ever swap out dusk gloves for chaos gauntlets is beyond me.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 12:22:55  
Bismarck.Dracondria said:
Still sounds really bad to me. Why would you want Madrigal in a meripo? I'd rather have haste gear and march/march.
Also this
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 12:22:57  
SAM big 3


Sam Penta


Sam Idle/tanking


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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 12:26:27  
Is it just on my screen or is the bottom of my post all weird and messed up.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-02-08 12:28:44  
Messed up for me too lol. Just a question, rose strap in TP but pole in "big 3"? >_> You'd lose tp.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 12:30:16  
Whoops, i actually use rose ws builds too, didnt mean to put in pole strap.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-02-08 12:31:26  
Putting more than 3 gear sets in one post will cause that error.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 12:32:22  
Sam GTK TP


Sam Polearm TP


any advice/feedback is welcome.

Im working on usu but having awful luck on drops going for feet and body.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 12:33:42  
Ramuh.Krizz said:
Putting more than 3 gear sets in one post will cause that error.

Thanks, thats a weird error.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 12:54:07  
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Sam GTK TP


Sam Polearm TP


any advice/feedback is welcome.

Im working on usu but having awful luck on drops going for feet and body.
For polearm, you'll be better off w/ sushi if you don't have full usu for birds, and pizza+1 for everything else (even if you have full usu, now's the time to swap out acc for haste and go w/ pizza). That being said, turban and dusk gloves
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2010-02-08 12:59:58  
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Sam Polearm TP


any advice/feedback is welcome.

Im working on usu but having awful luck on drops going for feet and body.

Would TP'ing with Ancient Torque not be better for Polearm? Should give around 2 accuracy more (prolly doesn't make much difference with the rest of your gear though).

Just curious =)
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:02:19  
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Sam Polearm TP


any advice/feedback is welcome.

Im working on usu but having awful luck on drops going for feet and body.

Would TP'ing with Ancient Torque not be better for Polearm? Should give around 2 accuracy more (prolly doesn't make much difference with the rest of your gear though).

Just curious =)
In uncapped acc yes, but he should be using acc food w/ polearm, so torque will win.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:06:51  
Love torque that is
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 13:07:35  
vegetto said:
Your posts are scattered all over the page, but it seems your main concern is 5hit w/ 95% hitrate.

once you get enough stp for 5hit, I still don't see how acc is going to beat haste.

Your build leaves room for turban/dusk/swift/homam/homam = 18% haste.

Let's say you wanted to swap off dusk gloves for chaos gauntlets+1

going from 18 to 15% haste. Chaos hands+1 will give 8 acc

Let's say your hitrate is 80%. 4/80 = 5% increase.

15% haste in gear, march (just 1), haste. = 15 + 11 + 15 = 41% haste. Going go 18% haste (dusk gloves) = 3/56 = 5.36% increase. You're going to land more hits w/ dusk >.> (especially if you use hasso and/or have a 2nd march)

Again, your posts are scattered all over the place, but why would you ever swap out dusk gloves for chaos gauntlets is beyond me.

KK ya thats obviously the best gear all together but initially it was supposed to be the bare minimum gear to reach the goal. then it was argued that my acc would be piss poor so then i showed them what my acc would be at certain points in a merit party. then it was said that someones 6 hit 95% would beat my 5 hit so I showed how i would get 95%. I wasnt aiming to show what the best possible gear for this build was it was just what was needed to hit a 5 hit. i never truly cared about the 95% hit rate at the time though I realize its important but in some cases wearing the o-hat PCC and cuchu mantle at once isnt always necessary to obtain it which is what started this book that no one reads beginning to end.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:10:41  
in the end though, it's a poor 5hit. Need to use a lackluster buff (madrigal), lose out on a ton of acc, ect. 6hit w/ haste and better buffs will win.
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 13:17:45  
but its just birds. i could use absorb acc and absorb dex on everything else which together would let me hit 95%. also were not including diabolic eye. I didnt bother including souleater since everyone hates it when we use that move constantly.
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-02-08 13:21:07  
Bismarck.Maxse said:
SAM big 3

Hachiryu legs but no rutters? :(.. hopefully you need those for Stp.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:21:57  
Wouldn't absorb acc just be reflected to someone else who has hate, including yourself? Seems counter productive to me.
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 13:22:35  
your not... paying attention at all are you.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:25:27  
I guess not. You said you could use absorb acc and dex on birds. Idk how else to interpret that.
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 13:28:28  
i said
leonstrife said:
but its just birds. i could use absorb acc and absorb dex on everything else which together would let me hit 95%. also were not including diabolic eye. I didnt bother including souleater since everyone hates it when we use that move constantly.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-02-08 13:34:42  
With the build in OP, I don't see how you'd hit 95% on anything w/ more evasion than a colibri. I was thinking food (sushi) and was going to counter w/ meat, but your food is already chosen, and your acc will be locked in. You can argue madrigal, but that song shouldn't be used anyways and will lower the total output of your party.
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-02-08 13:39:38  
Also that time being used to cast absorb spells that will likely get resisted by those VT-IT+ mobs is time you lose doing DMG.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 13:39:40  
Caitsith.Alriath said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
SAM big 3
Hachiryu legs but no rutters? :(.. hopefully you need those for Stp.

Ive had a pop set for a while for rutters I been meaning to use ;/ also I need the STP for getto 6 hit. Havent evaluated what to replace it with once I get rutters.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-02-08 13:40:57  
Fairy.Vegetto said:
Sylph.Hitetsu said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
Sam Polearm TP any advice/feedback is welcome. Im working on usu but having awful luck on drops going for feet and body.
Would TP'ing with Ancient Torque not be better for Polearm? Should give around 2 accuracy more (prolly doesn't make much difference with the rest of your gear though). Just curious =)
In uncapped acc yes, but he should be using acc food w/ polearm, so torque will win.

Are you telling me I spent 5 mil on Ace's for nothing ;/.
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By Leviathan.Leonstrife 2010-02-08 13:41:41