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Did SE kill MNK @ vanafest 2010?
Sylph.Sindri
By Sylph.Sindri 2010-03-13 12:40:38
Cerberus.Watanabie said: Need lots of stones! I have 16 stacks for when my MNK dings, BUT wouldn't Birdbanes be better for meriting? IDK it just seems like 25% boost in melee hits with haste cap would be better than fast hits with shitty dmg and ws...
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-13 12:42:52
Birdbanes suck for meriting. The 25% damage only applies to DoT, not WS damage. They're good for low lv birds, ***for anything else.
Also ***that's blunt resist.
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By Alaik 2010-03-13 21:02:35
Regret to inform, this thread ended on Page 1 after The KFC Dude started flowing to Houston.
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By Bismarck.Ruizutatakau 2010-03-13 21:27:08
Cerberus.Jiko said: Bismarck.Danz said: as a main MNK, i wasn't too pleased with the announcements made at vanafest 2010. as many MNKs may know MNK doesn't get much when it comes to updates. a decent peace of gear here or there and lolfootworks is about as updated as it has gotten. in vanafest 2010 all jobs was noted to be getting rather decent or just outstanding updates. like PUP getting an A in H2H.. made me cry as a MNK knowing only martial arts and gear is the only thing that stands between PUP out damaging MNK with there fists. not to mention they have a beefy auto next to them spamming them with cure 5s and hitting with 1.5k weapons kills them self.
on top of that they insult MNK by giving them this for the update.
in return of TP gain and the ability to weapon skill.
ACC , and subtle blows ... WTF! how useless is that, EXP pt wise. completely. most MNKs have NO problem with there accuracy. and subtle blows is just crap unless your soloing something you just don't want weapon skilling as often. and subtle blows barely even shows with no matter how much you have. so sucks there. endgame. the acc would be killer i can see. but still nobody is going to put a MNK in endgame PT to feed the mobs TP regardless of how much subtle blows they have. MNK is just unfortunately left out of endgame unless your lucky enough to get in a chi-blast group
sadly this slap to the face is rely disgusted me with SEs thoughts on MNK and makes me want to drop it entirely and just level SAM. at least most of my gear wont go to waste...
what is everyone elses thoughts on this?
Cry more. Other jobs been screwed for years, learn to deal with it. This is the first update PUP gets that BENEFITS PUP, PUP has been ***for 4 years, ***gear lvling up, ***skills and some of the maton frames, ***. Just cause PUPs get Usukane which isn't even until lv75 AND getting Usukane doesn't happen in a week also PUP WSs suck and Stringing Pummel isn't good enough to the point where its game breaking, PUP deserves this and MNK will still be better in many ways, seeing as you get idk real gear, real stats so your WS and DMG can obviously be seen and you have JAs that if PUP had then I could see why you would cry blood. All I really got to say is, its about damn time SE.
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By Bismarck.Ruizutatakau 2010-03-13 21:28:21
Test them if you haven't imo Birdsbane were better than Destroyers.
Fairy.Brenda
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By Fairy.Brenda 2010-03-13 21:43:25
Fairy.Vegetto said: Mnk CAN put up good numbers don't mean they do. Only 5ish mnk on fairy i'd consider inviting to a pt. The rest, I could beat on my pup NOW as it is before the update.
I just saw this, to bad im not one of the 5 ; ;
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2010-03-13 21:47:44
''PUP WSs suck and Stringing Pummel isn't good enough to the point where its game breaking''
just saying... SP beats asuran fists in every way possible.
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By Shiva.Jimmyjazz 2010-03-13 22:05:15
Ok...I've been away for a while...and I come back to pup getting an A skill in hand to hand XD
/head asplode
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2010-03-13 22:11:19
Actually... Full usukane 13%, Swift 4%, Wyvern earring 5%, thats 22% total haste we got atm, nin sash excluded.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-13 22:30:30
Doesn't count, Jiko, as /war is better than /drg, that 5% haste doesn't count as far as pup is concerned.
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2010-03-13 22:31:53
Depends on what you're doing.
/drg is great while meriting, but outside of that, I'll agree with you.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-13 22:38:03
/war is better for meriting unless you're fooded/buffed to the point where you no longer benefit from zerk.
Now, if you have a dnc w/ 10% haste samba double march and haste, then I'll agree, but other than that, /war ftw.
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2010-03-13 22:43:24
Now who would let a pup and a dnc in the same pt, silly :p
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By Siren.Cordareo 2010-03-14 05:28:54
Phoenix.Fredjan said: ''PUP WSs suck and Stringing Pummel isn't good enough to the point where its game breaking''
just saying... SP beats asuran fists in every way possible.
In theory yes, In practice, No...
If the job using the WS sucks even with good gear, SP can't be worth a damn.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-14 09:13:31
Stringing pummel in every way shape and form is infinitely better than asuran. If I could trade the asuran on mnk for pummel, I'd do it in a heartbeat and never look back.
Cerberus.Watanabie
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 09:25:16
Fairy.Vegetto said: Stringing pummel in every way shape and form is infinitely better than asuran. If I could trade the asuran on mnk for pummel, I'd do it in a heartbeat and never look back. The reason SP is better is the 30+% modifiers wiki shows it as 32/32 but i'd bet it is just a flat 30 on both. If asuran had even 20% mod's it would be pretty epic, but being only 10% it mostly sucks...unless you are capping acc...even then you're generally only landing 6-7 hits missing 1-2 somewhere in the mix.
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By Remora.Shadowkiller 2010-03-14 09:38:17
ive invited pup's to merit before, i go as mnk, and asuran always > SP
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 09:42:23
We're saying as a weaponskill in general not in terms of in game numbers, maybe after the update...Actual numbers will come closer together.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-14 09:47:14
Quote: ive invited pup's to merit before, i go as mnk, and asuran always > SP That's because their acc/attack is much lower and they're probably eating sushi while mnk can eat meat. When you close the gap in acc and attack, get them both on the same food, Pummel will be much more powerful. For example, if you could do pummel w/ mnk's stats/gear, it would easily outdo asuran.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-14 09:57:04
Cerberus.Jiko said: Actually... Full usukane 13%, Swift 4%, Wyvern earring 5%, thats 22% total haste we got atm, nin sash excluded. Actually if you don't do full usukane and use say af hands, gol body, walmart head you'd hit 23% haste without bothering with the earring.
Granted with a bit less store tp str dex and acc lol.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-14 09:58:19
gl getting sash. 21% is the realistic figure there.
Cerberus.Watanabie
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 09:59:10
That would be a great setup for FoV in cape terrigan lol. Not that i ever play pup or will ever even unlock it.
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-14 10:00:51
nah that set up will actually be viable w/ pizza once pup get sh2h upgrade.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-14 10:01:57
Oh wait I forgot about Airy Buckler... hahha jk
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 10:08:21
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By Fairy.Vegetto 2010-03-14 10:13:11
Rep the hq sniper w/ a rajas and yea, that's about right. Also, torque should break another h2h tier.
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 10:17:11
Was gonna put in Rajas but i was thinking of as it stands now...not as it will be on the 23rd or w/e day that update is coming.
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-03-14 10:18:05
Also, not too many pup's i see running around with a Faith torque so i just threw in something practical.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-03-14 10:19:15
Who knows maybe the pups also have mnk or rng lol
inb4 why aren't they on mnk or rng!
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By Cerberus.Jiko 2010-03-14 10:19:22
Eww. Turbo Animator...
Cerberus.Watanabie said: Also, not too many pup's i see running around with a Faith torque so i just threw in something practical.
And how many JoFaiths have we popped so far without it putting out for us/me? D:
Edit: Oh lookie! Post 1000!
as a main MNK, i wasn't too pleased with the announcements made at vanafest 2010. as many MNKs may know MNK doesn't get much when it comes to updates. a decent peace of gear here or there and lolfootworks is about as updated as it has gotten. in vanafest 2010 all jobs was noted to be getting rather decent or just outstanding updates. like PUP getting an A in H2H.. made me cry as a MNK knowing only martial arts and gear is the only thing that stands between PUP out damaging MNK with there fists. not to mention they have a beefy auto next to them spamming them with cure 5s and hitting with 1.5k weapons kills them self.
on top of that they insult MNK by giving them this for the update.
in return of TP gain and the ability to weapon skill.
ACC +, and subtle blows+... WTF! how useless is that, EXP pt wise. completely. most MNKs have NO problem with there accuracy. and subtle blows is just crap unless your soloing something you just don't want weapon skilling as often. and subtle blows barely even shows with no matter how much you have. so sucks there. endgame. the acc+ would be killer i can see. but still nobody is going to put a MNK in endgame PT to feed the mobs TP regardless of how much subtle blows they have. MNK is just unfortunately left out of endgame unless your lucky enough to get in a chi-blast group
sadly this slap to the face is rely disgusted me with SEs thoughts on MNK and makes me want to drop it entirely and just level SAM. at least most of my gear wont go to waste...
what is everyone elses thoughts on this?
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