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Religion: If You Don't Believe In It Why Does It Bother You?
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Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Religion: If you don't believe in it why does it bother you?
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Come on guys when you start letting someone quote the bible in a discussion it is the beginning of the end. totally man i mean why would someone break out a text that serves as the centerpeice to the largest religion in the world in a discussion about religion let's all just shout slurs at one another instead
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Myself, like my fiance, we follow ourselves accordingly. We know that there is a higher power out there, but not knowing what it is, we still do the treat others as they do unto you, with great respect. You put good out there, you hope to see it in return, not demanding it though. I know certian things happen to certian ppl, either it be good or bad, calling it Karma I guess.
I just enjoy life, but do not over indulge. I love my family, and try to treat each other and all my circle with the utmost in respect and pride. I don't go to church, but inside myself.. I try to do what right in my life. I call this my " Personal Religion". How's that sound Anye?? Hope it sounds ok! Asura.Halloween said: nope, neonracer. you're still going to hell. and Islam i believe is really the largest religion. If you ask an Irish Catholic if he's the same as a Protestant, he might could kick you in the balls. Well gee thanks.. I don't know if I'm going to burn.. one has to believe there is a hell, in order to burn there... ..sorry!!! lol Nice try though... ..but for that thought, I will haunt your sorry *** for that comment! HAHAHAHAHA Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Btw Strawhatluffy, that quote I used from your post, I wasn't really directing any of what I typed towards you lol. I was just using it as a base line for what I was about to write ^_^ oh lol, no probs at all. by the same token i hope i never happen to say anything that came off as "personal" as well. you made some good points. :3 Hey Spicyran...
Don't forget that there are the non-believers too... what percentile is that?  May have been said, but I'm not reading all 19 pages at 2AM.
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Asura.Deodate said: May have been said, but I'm not reading all 19 pages at 2AM. Nice pic of the 2 Trade Centres... ..... I think I will leave that comment at that. Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: the largest religion in the world sorry, no. If you want to count subsects of religion, it's catholicism which is the largest, and nearly any catholic will tell he's a Christian. I love the way your average american/european realises that christianity has several sects, because he's more familiar with it, but he somehow imagines the less familiar religion of islam as one massive, completely united front. That's why the islamic subsects across the middle east get along so well, right? here. http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html Asura.Halloween said: nope, neonracer. you're still going to hell. and Islam i believe is really the largest religion. If you ask an Irish Catholic if he's the same as a Protestant, he might could kick you in the balls. why don't you try asking a sunni if he's the same as a shiite Lakshmi.Mabrook said: If your counting the tens of thousands of different types of Christianity then yes, you are correct. Christianity is the world's largest religion but I must ask, how in God's name can there be so much diversity in ONE religion? Srsly...? Which comes back to what I said that Islam is the world's largest "single" religion. olawd i've addressed this already let's try to get past this now
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Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: totally man i mean why would someone break out a text that serves as the centerpeice to the largest religion in the world in a discussion about religion Because that center piece contains a flat earth, unicorns, goes against evolution, condones slavery, genocide, the condoning of child sacrifice (more than once!), and things like that. So really yes lets take the good lines from a bad book to argue! Clearly there will only be name calling if we do not use such methods. Discounting this IS the internet, *** idiots (which I only said to throw some name calling in). sorry you personally disagreeing with it dosen't disqualify it as a basis of discussion, as the most widely read and followed religious text it's... notable, as a wikipedian would say Maruraba said: I have! Fun book! :) Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Come on guys when you start letting someone quote the bible in a discussion it is the beginning of the end. On a side note I lol at Romans 13 because if you see those news stories every now and again about those preachers. The ones that get paid off and say to never resist your government quoting Romans 13 in every case.. But yeah, I actually have brought that up in discussions with various conservatives. They think I'm a nut, too. Hilarious! Caitsith.Neonracer said: Myself, like my fiance, we follow ourselves accordingly. We know that there is a higher power out there, but not knowing what it is, we still do the treat others as they do unto you, with great respect. You put good out there, you hope to see it in return, not demanding it though. I know certian things happen to certian ppl, either it be good or bad, calling it Karma I guess. I just enjoy life, but do not over indulge. I love my family, and try to treat each other and all my circle with the utmost in respect and pride. I don't go to church, but inside myself.. I try to do what right in my life. I call this my " Personal Religion". How's that sound Anye?? Hope it sounds ok! BUT, Y'KNOW, HAVE YOU HEARD OF THIS DUDE NAMED JESUS, HE'S GOT THIS PEACE THAT--jk. <3 Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Sounds good because one with out a doubt, absolutely, does NOT need religion to live a good life. It is not required for a good world, society, people, or anything. And lol, I shouldn't have left this page open while playing FFXI, I'm missing all the good stuff.... Lakshmi.Mabrook said: P.S. - don't listen to Sevourn, if you ask a shiite if he's a sunni be ready for some pump back hand slap action from him/her... I'm Sunni btw so I won't be attacking anyone lol, gn~ Ooh, also... 'bout this: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Christianity is the world's largest religion but I must ask, how in God's name can there be so much diversity in ONE religion? Quote: Ephesians 4:1-6 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Sounds good because one with out a doubt, absolutely, does NOT need religion to live a good life. It is not required for a good world, society, people, or anything. *sigh* I see. Still, there's something to be said about how a parent brings up a child--it's no easy task by ANY means. As a parent you do have the right and responsibility to teach them, and I would respect a parent who has actually paid attention to their child's upbringing WAY more than a neglectful parent.
That being said, children are actually not as gullible as you may think, nor are adults as astute as you may think, either. Where the issue lies is humanity itself. We seek identity--identity through our friends, through the way we dress, our gender, our race, our culture, our nation, to name a few. Culture isn't such a bad thing. It's not like the intention was to cause prejudice and narrow-mindedness, at least. What gives it the negative connotation you infer, is when one decides that one's culture--one's identity, oneself--places them above all others. It's what gives the entire argument of "religion" its fuel.
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Not gonna get into a heated debate on this. But here's my standpoint on all this >.>
All I know is that if another couple of people stand there and refuse (politely, yet creepily) to quit nagging till I let them bore me with their preaching while I'm on break..someone is seriously getting Falcon Punched.
Ragnarok.Anye said: Asura.Halloween said: Chronicles said: but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. I can do that too. Ragnarok.Anye said: Old argument is old--yet valid. Christian doctrine isn't literally based on Mosaic law, but fulfills it. I should, but won't, quote the entirety of Romans to explain this. One excerpt to incompletely summarize it would be Quote: Romans 2:13: For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Romans 3:9b-10: We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.... Romans 3:19-22: Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Asura.Halloween said: So your point is that Christianity -and all religions- should not be held accountable for what people of those faiths, even the powerful leaders of those faiths, do and say? Asura.Halloween said: It's really just every man for himself. Asura.Halloween said: I'll assume you DO realize that religious groups overstep their boundaries and effect everyone, whether they want to be or not. But are you ignoring that question just so you can be completely pro-religion and not have to concede this point to the other side? Again, just replace "religious groups" with "humans," and my point will be made clear. Any validity you might have had with these responses is completely destroyed by the fact that your religion (along with many others) literally teaches "Do what i say or suffer for eternity". Fear is one of the more powerful motivators, and when someone truly believes their livelihood is at stake (or believes they have some form of absolution) they'll do many things you wouldn't otherwise expect. You cannot simply dismiss the influences in a persons life based on the fact that nobody's perfect. Should it necessarily take all of the blame? No, but neither can it be ignored completely.
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Hades.Excelior said: There are more people in this world than just you and your family. I don't think I can take anymore idiots like Bill Maher preaching how religion is stupid. Religion is a means for people to justify their otherwise meaningless life. Maybe you would be comfortable with a nihilistic view of everything but I would say the majority of people are not. President Bush isnt religious. He used it as a way to get elected just how Barack Obama lied to everyone too. I seriously doubt many world powers use religion to direct their actions. Beliefs don't keep anyone from evolving. Ignorance does. Morality and religion are not the same however it has always been the basis of our fundamental laws. I'm not sure mankind would reach the conclusion its not right to steal or kill if most of the people weren't afraid of the consequences. Well said!
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Triplesix70 said: Hades.Excelior said: There are more people in this world than just you and your family. I don't think I can take anymore idiots like Bill Maher preaching how religion is stupid. Religion is a means for people to justify their otherwise meaningless life. Maybe you would be comfortable with a nihilistic view of everything but I would say the majority of people are not. President Bush isnt religious. He used it as a way to get elected just how Barack Obama lied to everyone too. I seriously doubt many world powers use religion to direct their actions. Beliefs don't keep anyone from evolving. Ignorance does. Morality and religion are not the same however it has always been the basis of our fundamental laws. I'm not sure mankind would reach the conclusion its not right to steal or kill if most of the people weren't afraid of the consequences. Well said! If your life is menaingless without religion in your opinion, the world is better off without you.
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Pandemonium.Kajidourden said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Asura.Halloween said: Chronicles said: but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. I can do that too. Ragnarok.Anye said: Old argument is old--yet valid. Christian doctrine isn't literally based on Mosaic law, but fulfills it. I should, but won't, quote the entirety of Romans to explain this. One excerpt to incompletely summarize it would be Quote: Romans 2:13: For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Romans 3:9b-10: We have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under sin. As it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.... Romans 3:19-22: Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. Asura.Halloween said: So your point is that Christianity -and all religions- should not be held accountable for what people of those faiths, even the powerful leaders of those faiths, do and say? Asura.Halloween said: It's really just every man for himself. Asura.Halloween said: I'll assume you DO realize that religious groups overstep their boundaries and effect everyone, whether they want to be or not. But are you ignoring that question just so you can be completely pro-religion and not have to concede this point to the other side? Again, just replace "religious groups" with "humans," and my point will be made clear. Any validity you might have had with these responses is completely destroyed by the fact that your religion (along with many others) literally teaches "Do what i say or suffer for eternity". Fear is one of the more powerful motivators, and when someone truly believes their livelihood is at stake (or believes they have some form of absolution) they'll do many things you wouldn't otherwise expect. You cannot simply dismiss the influences in a persons life based on the fact that nobody's perfect. Should it necessarily take all of the blame? No, but neither can it be ignored completely. Please quote me some scriptures that say people will suffer. Quote: ECCLESIASTES 9:5 For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten. I dunno. I'd say going to hell isn't a trip to Six Flags.
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