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Denali Bonnet or Wally Turban
サーバ: Sylph
Game: FFXI
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-03 13:46:49
Sylph.Kozuki said: I suck at ffxi :( Nerp Quote: 90% of everyone sucks at FFXI, I think. Ifrit.Ibreakthings included. Agreed
Asura.Poupee
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-04-03 13:48:20
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: im sure she didnt inlclude the screenshot were she started talking trash first I didnt, if you want proof ill even post a screen shot.
--> http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/NoriKomi/l-1.png
thats where he started when he first examined me
サーバ: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 13:48:36
tigerwoods your clearly have a vendetta against him
denali is better for soloing, to say its not is to ignore all the stats it has that turban does not
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 13:49:06
i just looked at the pics :X thats why i deleted that post
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-03 13:50:14
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: tigerwoods your clearly have a vendetta against him
denali is better for soloing, to say its not is to ignore all the stats it has that turban does not
I've never met the guy, he's still a tard. Also, read my last post. Where I said that any situation that denali > turban for defensive purposes, Ohat > denali, so you still shouldn't be using denali.
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 13:51:00
but if you wear o hat you get 0 haste, and 0 defesne
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Asura.Poupee
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By Asura.Poupee 2010-04-03 13:51:51
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: but if you wear o hat you get 0 haste, and 0 defesne but your not getting hit with the evasion so def shouldnt really matter
サーバ: Sylph
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-03 13:52:42
Defenes isn't even a factor, unless he's sitting there in a vit ring, a jelly ring, wearing the highest defense available in each slot, ect. If you're going for evasion, you want the most evasion you can get in that slot and 10 eva > 5. if he wants defense, then he should wear neither hat and find another. If it's haste you want, turban is ya boy.
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By Asura.Elvaton 2010-04-03 13:53:33
loldef and marco in haste for shadows
サーバ: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 13:55:15
it doesnt matter what i say you wont change your mind or even consider my point of view
and no matter how much eva you have, you will get hit sometime
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サーバ: Fenrir
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-04-03 13:57:19
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: it doesnt matter what i say you wont change your mind or even consider my point of view
and no matter how much eva you have, you will get hit sometime Decreasing vs increasing returns and loldef in general says Ohat and turban still win. This isn't a POV argument, it's one based on numbers and the numbers say you're wrong.
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By Asura.Elvaton 2010-04-03 13:57:41
and what is that 21def gonna do?
nothing
サーバ: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 14:00:55
show me the supposed numbers! you cant just make outrageous claims and call them facts
o hat has no haste so it shouldnt even be a part of this conversation
denali has haste and eva and agi and attack
walahara has only 1% more haste
i PROMISE YOU 1% haste is not noticable at all
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-03 14:03:19
The same way 3 evasion, 4 agi, and 3 attack isn't going to be noticeable.
Most pieces in this game are marginal upgrades, they're still upgrades. That 1% haste that isn't noticeable at all, that's the same 1% haste ppl pay 15-20m for in the form of dusk gloves+1 vs dusk gloves.
サーバ: Bismarck
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-04-03 14:11:17
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: denali has haste and eva and agi and attack
walahara has only 1% more haste
i PROMISE YOU 1% haste is not noticable at all
Someone shoot him...
サーバ: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 14:11:53
youll notice the agi eva and attack and defense more then you would notice 1% haste
are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?? really dude?
before the news of this new cap increase. 75 was the limit and you get to a point where you have everything you want, you have nothing left to buy
so thats when people would spend outrageous gil for needless +1s etc
its because they have nothing better to spend it on , its not because 1% haste is worth 10-15m
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 14:12:35
OMG RAGE HE DOESNT AGREE WITH ME >.>
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-04-03 14:13:12
Don't hate because you can't afford it :)
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-04-03 14:18:50
if u need to evade so much why not use an O. Hat like everyone else has told ur dumb ***
and if u need haste you use Walmart Turban
is your skull that thick?
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 14:20:15
ignorance is bliss
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-04-03 14:22:40
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: ignorance is bliss Yousa bliss mothafucka then.
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-04-03 14:24:00
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: ignorance is bliss
Before you come to a forum and make yourself look like a complete idiot... Why don't you do a little bit of research on haste first ~.^
Haste > ALL
サーバ: Ifrit
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By Ifrit.Ibreakthings 2010-04-03 14:29:28
in a PARTY yea
but when your farming haste > all just isnt true
you need to focus on being balanced so you dont take more dmg then needed
you guys are all a bunch of douchebags, thats why i never get on these forums.
you are all the same, keep coaxing eachothers egos, and flaming anyone who doesnt think exactly like you do
Cerberus.Watanabie
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By Cerberus.Watanabie 2010-04-03 14:30:46
"In all of sport SPEED is king" Haste = Speed, Turban wins, game over.
Gilgamesh.Andras
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By Gilgamesh.Andras 2010-04-03 14:31:21
Ifrit.Ibreakthings said: in a PARTY yea
but when your farming haste > all just isnt true
you need to focus on being balanced so you dont take more dmg then needed
you guys are all a bunch of douchebags, thats why i never get on these forums.
you are all the same, keep coaxing eachothers egos, and flaming anyone who doesnt think exactly like you do
if haste > all isnt true use an O Hat yo
サーバ: Bismarck
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By Bismarck.Magnumatic 2010-04-03 14:31:38
If everyone thought exactly like I did.. There would be no reason to argue, because everyone would be right :P
By semimmortal 2010-04-03 14:33:39
Ibreak, you sound pretty knowledgeable, how much damage are we lowering here?
Bismarck.Tontocat
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By Bismarck.Tontocat 2010-04-03 14:34:11
Meh, I'll weigh in. I'm a THF main and I stopped using Walahra and Optical in solo situations because Denali was a fair balance of both.
It adds to defense 21
The AGI mods trick attack (when using NPC fellow)
It adds 4% haste where optical has none
The AGI mods parrying rate while adding 2 evasion
It adds 3 evasion itself, for a total of 5
For that nice balance of both hats, I use Denali. If I find my Accuracy or R.acc is lacking, I swap in Optical. Being a THF sometimes you just NEED those bloody bolts to land.
That being said, in party I would Use walahra and only swap in Denali for Trick Attack. With a high DEX build and capped dagger, accuracy is rarely a problem that squid sushi can't handle.
OK, i just got Denali Bonnet and i was curious which is better for DNC in a solo/duo/trio situation, and why
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