I just noticed you said you were planning on using CS against kirin? I'm about 95% positive that's a horrible idea. He'll totally destroy you. You realize kirin rarely attacks normally right? It's almost always a tp move.
CS worked great for me first time we attempted kirin zerg.
I was the main tank(cursed) and CS was up 100% of the time. I only died from astral flow and not the tp moves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxOJ6EFr_Zw
alternative video of same fight mnk cs tankinghttp://www.youtube.com/user/Pachacamak#p/u/10/LpYgXkiDe84
before anyone comments on how long the fight lasted, this was close to 5 years ago so flame at your own risk.
Echo what others have said: Don't use counterstance. 95% of Kirin's attacks are TP moves.
You could also just Mnk/nin and take significantly less damage (increases fight time by another minute, but holding an add for a bit longer shouldnt be a problem, and not being at 300 hp from a random Deadly Hold when AF goes off will probably remove any chance of failure).
Mnk + Whm + Brd should have no trouble what so ever taking down Kirin in about 3-4 minutes without 2 hour.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
oh this is interesting. Did you think about dex etude? I think kirin has 100 on every stat iirc, could cap crit rate with 150 dex (hard to achieve that on mnk?), which would be better than a silly attack boost from low minuets.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
I'm pretty sure I went into every fight with counterstance up.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
Firstly, I'm going to add that you shouldn't have counterstance up whilst fighting mobs who used ranged attacks.
Secondly, I'm going to stare at Inuyushi with my eyebrow raised. Yes, at 75 MNKs actually used counterstance on all of the various fodder-mobs. Einherjar, Dynamis, Limbus, Salvage etc. Oh yeah, and Merit parties. They actually take *less* damage that way, overall, while dealing MORE damage. Of course, you can't be slacking to cure them when they take a hit from a TP move, but whatever.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
Yes. I remember CS actually increasing my damage by a ton, PLDs being rarely used because they sucked and me actually being able to survive because I have skill that surpasses a teaspoon.
There are times when you probably shouldn't use Counterstance outside Abyssea, but I don't think its fail to use it. You can easily squeeze +7~8 counter into your TP gear without sacrificing a ton of stuff with just 3 pieces of gear. Moonshade earring with Attack or Acc +4 and Counter +3, Usu hands, augmented Shura hands +1 with Counter +3 and Ultion mantle. That gear alone nearly compensates for the bonus to counter granted via Gnarled Horn.
We killed Kirin last night x2 but we weren't solo or 2boxing so I don't know how relative it is.
Was my first time in Sky I didn't do ZM back in the day only just finished it for my Suppa last week.
Anyways fight was uber easy had 3 mnks 1 whm 1 brd 1 thf. None of the mnks have empy they all used Asuran Fists first fight took 1min 25 seconds. BRD used 2hr, had a 2nd BRD come late for the 2nd fight use their 2hr
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
Troll.
Edit: Sorry, should read post dates, probably, before getting all huffy.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
Troll.
Nope, legit. I never saw MNKs use CS back before ToAU even. MNK wasn't the prominate DD either. And for real about MNKs pulling hate and going from full HP to 200 HP and crying for a cure. Turn your back, let the tank build up hate again and DD in moderation. Long fights are endurance.
I love how MNKs use CS everywhere, even outside of Abyssea.....so full of fail ><;
Are you being serious?
Yes, before abyssea Counterstance was the most unused, worthless JA around. Who here played MNK before Abyssea? Do you remember going into a fight against regular mobs with CS up? I wish our MNKs would learn how to hold dmg back and take off CS and let the pld get some hate so the mages don't run out of mp.
Troll.
Nope, legit. I never saw MNKs use CS back before ToAU even. MNK wasn't the prominate DD either. And for real about MNKs pulling hate and going from full HP to 200 HP and crying for a cure. Turn your back, let the tank build up hate again and DD in moderation. Long fights are endurance.
Which still doesn't mean it wasthe failest job ability never being used. What's more, not only are there mages that are ok with it, but there are also PLDs that don't care one bit because they kept hate anyway. Thanks for the quick reply, though.
Going to be making an attempt at this.
Title says "Single MNK Kill" and NOT solo because while the MNK will be the only one attacking Kirin, I will have my WHM healing me and a friend's PLD on any adds that might spawn.
I've done this @ 75 with 3 other MNKs, 2x BRDs, a WHM and a RDM/NIN kiter. All MNKs were standard shura/b.haidate/destroyers/black belt geared.
Going to be attempting this @ Lv.90 with verethragnas.
Will open up with a fully buffed 300% smite followed by HF.
support will be 2x BRDs, 1x PLD, 1x WHM.
My prediction: if Summons are handled well by Ochain PLD, Fight should 4-8 Minutes. 60-65% of Kirin's HP will be gone before soulvoiced songs wear off.
Songs - 2x Minuets 2x March songs (even though I'll have HF up, 300% aftermath will outlast HF, and it will be good to have that extra speed for the remaining 25-35 seconds of aftermath)
Any thoughts?
gauntlet has been thrown down.Lets see if anyone has the ballz to try this. I think its going to be piss easy tbh.
