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though with it being "60%" done already I'm not sure if that remaining 40 would be much different from what's already been presented. Glad to be proven wrong but I think their rough "60% done" estimate was before Ultima/Omega.
Which means at this point there's waaaay less than 40% left to be done I'm afraid.
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No new players, as far as I know, came back for any of this trash. "New" players can't come back to anything, kind of why they are called new players.
Genuine question to all the people that hate limbus. Did you all hate odyssey to the same degree for the 8 months before Gaol was added? Do you still hate odyssey or has that changed?
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »5 runs each is boring. Should be 1 run for points and then grind after if you want. With the survey saying the majority are soloing, assuming i119, they're gonna take 2 hours to clear one area for what, 8k units? Can't even upgrade the cheapest option after two hours. And you want people to pay for that experience? lol, no.
Sortie needs to be a weekly too. Asura is closed and the groups are few and far between. Turn it into a weekly, give 6.5x the gallimaufry and then run it on Saturday/Sunday when most are free.
There's other games out there offering a lot more for a lot less, or for even non-subscription fee.
Ah yes, the greatest solutions as usual: allow players to finish all of the content in 2 hours/week. That's how you encourage people to play your MMO.
TBH the real solution should've been to make Limbus interesting or engaging rather than something so braindead boring that everyone wants to limit their exposure to it.
Unfortunately, every time SE makes something difficult, requires you to team up with other people, or requires your brain to function for more than a few seconds, everyone complains about it and then we get more slop like Limbus.
Ah yes, grinding Sortie and Limbus for two hours a day, driving up those subscription numbers. Just can't keep people away from the game now.
But at least the content is soloable!*
*You likely won't have enough currency to upgrade a weapon from Sortie or any of the new gear until 2035. Please look forward to it. It's totally reasonable!
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At the same point though I wonder, what should they have done differently?
Releasing it being mostly complete would probably be a better start, granted this is something they havent really done since omen I wanna say. But the initial drop of "just grind for units" was a poor 1st step and the trickle of new "NMs" hasnt added much either until the most recent one.
I still think Limbus could be made into something that could appeal to multiple styles of play if they wanted to do so, though with it being "60%" done already I'm not sure if that remaining 40 would be much different from what's already been presented.
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I'm first in line about not being super happy with Limbus, finding the amount of time required/grind excessive and blah blah.
At the same point though I wonder, what should they have done differently? Because I can't find an easy answer.
Not that it's my role to find answers, I'm not a game dev, but still...
I mean, if you want to create an event where Solo is possible and not particularly disincentived but at the same time party play is promoted. How else would you handle things?
It's very easy to balance stuff wrong and if you do just a step in the wrong direction can turn an event that's basically super inefficient in party and everybody plays solo, or vice-versa an event that makes no sense solo and party is basically mandatory.
Here things are different, sure it's likely the majority are soloing, but there's still a considerable amount of people who does it in party (yes, people with an army of mules still counts as "party", and that's another problem entirely, it's the same old plague of people with 5 accounts that SE always refused to acknowledge).
I think they did a good job in balancing things so that party looks attractive but without making solo unviable.
I'd welcome some small additional incentives to party play with open arms, but I frankly can't think of anything they could do.
They should create a new chest tier though, where Matter #1 is 100% guaranteed even in the 3k chest, and there's a chance for a Matter #2. Both are guaranteed in the 5k chest.
Also make so matters can be turned into units or bought with units.
That would create a lot of freedom for players without completely destroying the grind.
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By . on 2026-02-03 01:29:53
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Ow no.
Vyre-kun changed his avatar for a SUS character…
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By . on 2026-02-03 01:19:33
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It is already impressive just how you guys can distinguish one letter from other.
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Any good reasons to be affiliated with any specific nation other than wanting Refresh from Sibyl Scarf as Windurstian or Regain from Republican Platinum Medal as Bastokan? With Bastok you gain access to best gil to conquest points per unit time exchange rate with the Rank 5 Musketeer's Gun.
It NPCs for 17.3k or there abouts, while being buyable when Bastok is in 1st place for 16k from rank 5.
Since Bastok generally rides down to 3rd place, you gain enhanced Conquest Point gains, particularly in Locus or Apex zones Bastok doesn't own, allowing you accrue a ton of conquest points between 1st place weeks, meaning you can make more gil sometimes without as much hassle, since Windurst and San d'Oria offer nothing with an equivalent exchange rate beyond the rank 3 2-handed weapons (which take 3x as long to NPC into gil).
Bastok Mines also boasts the only one of the three nations with a Survival Guide next to an Auction House and HP. A minor time saver that's being phased out soon, supposedly when they combine Survival Guides into HP warps, it's long been a great spot to leave as your HP, as it's also super close to Mog House aaaand a Chocobo Stable.
Bastok also has the most NPCs involved in multiple storylines and expansions. Volker and Zeid were on the team that killed Shadow Lord in canon. Cid is heavily involved in Chains of Promathia. Zeid is heavily involved in Rise of The Zilart. Naji and Ayame feature in some ToAU missions. Serpent General Zazarg is Bastokan, and is the Praefactus for the 4th Division in WoTG, being apart of The Battle of Jeuno. Degenhard is Bastokan and was once Maat's original sparring partner under Atori-tutori. Jeuno itself was started by Bastokers, and as such, Maat was originally from Bastok.
The jobs Warrior, Monk, Ninja, Samurai, Dark Knight, Scholar, and Dancer have their artifact quests mostly/partially rooted in Bastok. Norg has ties to Bastok.
Bastok isn't afraid to get down and dirty when it comes to warfare, even employing chemical weapons against the Sahagin. Bastok invented firearms in The Middle Lands. Cid is the first non-Armathrwn Society member to make heads or tails of airship technology, and produce airships.
Galkas are cool and Hume ladies are hot. Bastok also features several varieties of NPC only humes, including some more elegant refined hume lady NPCs in dresses and hats.
Bubbly Bernie is right outside in South Gustaberg. The Drachenfall in North Gustaberg features a lot in the pre-character selection scene, and is a very bad *** waterfall.
The WSNM quests, "The Weight of Your Limits" and "The Walls of Your Mind" are presented to you by Galkas from Bastok. The quest, "What Price, Loyalty" is from Bastok [S]. These are the coolest names for quests ever conceived.
Bastok is the only nation that has its own soldiers nodding to the idea that it's ok to hate your government, while San d'Oria and Windurst kneel before a (noble)monarch and a theocrat(she is a lame duck dictator, it turns out). Though it's mainly hate the senate, and begrudgingly respect the *** in charge(president).
Bastok's flag is blue, a water wheel surrounding a shield, surrounding the spires of industrial buildings. While the actual architecture and picture is quite different, the cave painting of Amaurot ablaze in FFXIV sort of calls back to Bastok's flag design. a taller building in the center of shorter ones.
Bastok has not forgotten about religion. Though Bastokers are not known for their piety, they do keep an alcove in their capitol directly in the center between the elevators of the Metalworks. It serves as Bastok's temple to The Goddess, though no organized religious ceremonies take place there.
Bastok has great natural defenses. Flanked by mountains and the sea, the only reasonable way to assault it is by coming through river from Palborough Mines or Korroloka Tunnel.
Bastok is Bestok!
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5 runs each is boring. Should be 1 run for points and then grind after if you want. With the survey saying the majority are soloing, assuming i119, they're gonna take 2 hours to clear one area for what, 8k units? Can't even upgrade the cheapest option after two hours. And you want people to pay for that experience? lol, no.
Sortie needs to be a weekly too. Asura is closed and the groups are few and far between. Turn it into a weekly, give 6.5x the gallimaufry and then run it on Saturday/Sunday when most are free.
There's other games out there offering a lot more for a lot less, or for even non-subscription fee.
Ah yes, the greatest solutions as usual: allow players to finish all of the content in 2 hours/week. That's how you encourage people to play your MMO.
TBH the real solution should've been to make Limbus interesting or engaging rather than something so braindead boring that everyone wants to limit their exposure to it.
Unfortunately, every time SE makes something difficult, requires you to team up with other people, or requires your brain to function for more than a few seconds, everyone complains about it and then we get more slop like Limbus.
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5 runs each is boring. Should be 1 run for points and then grind after if you want. With the survey saying the majority are soloing, assuming i119, they're gonna take 2 hours to clear one area for what, 8k units? Can't even upgrade the cheapest option after two hours. And you want people to pay for that experience? lol, no.
Sortie needs to be a weekly too. Asura is closed and the groups are few and far between. Turn it into a weekly, give 6.5x the gallimaufry and then run it on Saturday/Sunday when most are free.
There's other games out there offering a lot more for a lot less, or for even non-subscription fee.
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By Ragnarok. Zeig on 2026-02-02 23:35:28
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I wonder how many words that title takes in Japanese.
In arabic:
كانت الإساءة العاطفية التي تعرضت لها صديقة طفولتي سيئة للغاية لدرجة أنني قررت قطع كل صلة بها. وعندما قررت أن أعيش حياتي بالطريقة التي أريدها، اعترفت لي الفتاة الجميلة التي كانت تجلس بجانبي بحبها. I'm guessing you translated the Japanese title (since the English one doesn't cover the latter part about the classmate confession).
This translation is missing a key preposition that alters the meaning altogether, lol. It's supposed to read: "the abuse I received from my childhood friend was so terrible to the point.." etc, but instead, it reads: "the abuse my chidlhood friend received was so terrible to the point.." etc. It's missing the preposition that would convey the meaning of "from". Try translating it back into English and you see what you'll get.
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Hi - I will say 1 little thing about the game because I know my opinion can be a bit blunt but I will attempt to not be to negitive
Limbus is nearly perfect content.
It just none of you know what you actually want. You're never happy no matter what.
it gives good CP/JP
it's casual friendly, party friendly, alliance friendly
Long term goals.
Spammable.
No daily lockouts. No timers. No fomo. (weekly)
Excellent gear.
Gil drops.
"hard" bosses.
No procs. No hidden goals. No cryptic ***. No 1% drops. *(the random hidden NM with the chance to drop sparkly, is, not great)
You have your subjob. No party restrictions.
You don't have to be optimal party setup because of the no timers.
You can set your own difficulty.
It's missing nothing. It's *** perfect. ungrateful trash customers.
Going up the floors sucks... but that's how limbus worked. I'd change that to party leader is the only one that selects floor. It's only an annoyance to 6boxers.
DT is "broken" I suspect this is to keep bst and pup from soloing everything but did it "wrong". If DT worked 10 pups would just infinitely hold the named nms and omegas bits trivializing them.
I wish I could be this easy to please, but you know this event is MID as *** - not trash - MID - It's not good, not great... It Meh - I guess its easy to please addicts, but that's on SE for training people to be submissive after slurping sortie. Crazy, a MID *** event for some can make people nut.
No new players, as far as I know, came back for any of this trash. The real measuring stick - can say the events are amazing for new players, but what new players bro
And I am done - anyone wanna do Limbus on Bismarck with me - I'll bard - no, ok - Guess I'll play Arc Raiders tee hee and wait for my friends to get on that 1 day a week - Get more friends? they quit -
What an amazing way to spend 25 bucks a month - AMAZING CONTENT BRO
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Chocobo digging ranking from Novice > Apprentice sent me over the edge!
Edit: I still haven't done a single Master trial or finished escutcheon, so take that for what you will. Also don't have M50 anything.
I'm interested in your Limbus max caps for Apollyon and Temenos, too.
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Quote: ust finished twashtar on thf. trying to figure out the best offhand for me with my current gear. i have 0 odyssey bosses complete so no gleti's.
The two top offhand weapons for twashter are gleri's knife and centovente. Of those two centovente is preferred and so long as you're capping accuracy with it will be the better option. You can stop at Fusetto +2 if you despise ToTM, since the tp bonus is the same from that stage on. It's worth it to do the trials and you'll want it anyway so I would highly recommend working on that when you can.
You'll need them both anyway (cento/fus+2) for when you're smashing straight up 3kTP Empyreal Arrows with your Ullr. ;)
is this a thing? it sounds cool af.
Yes, it was even used for KI1 Arebati
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By . on 2026-02-02 17:59:09
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A light based dog is immune to holy damage
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By Garuda. Chanti on 2026-02-02 17:53:58
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Bibles hit harder. Especially the big illustrated ones.
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Quote: ust finished twashtar on thf. trying to figure out the best offhand for me with my current gear. i have 0 odyssey bosses complete so no gleti's.
The two top offhand weapons for twashter are gleri's knife and centovente. Of those two centovente is preferred and so long as you're capping accuracy with it will be the better option. You can stop at Fusetto +2 if you despise ToTM, since the tp bonus is the same from that stage on. It's worth it to do the trials and you'll want it anyway so I would highly recommend working on that when you can.
You'll need them both anyway (cento/fus+2) for when you're smashing straight up 3kTP Empyreal Arrows with your Ullr. ;)
is this a thing? it sounds cool af.
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By Lawiii on 2026-02-02 17:26:08
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Good call on Silver Gun and Bronze Gullet.
HQ needs 50 STP / NQ needs 48 STP to land at 250
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What were they thinking slapping 50% -DT on everything? Granted the result is almost the same, I would've been happier with much larger HP pool but no DT.
Same amount of time to kill them, but at least Hybrid WSs aren't nerfed! :-P
In all honesty this is a very small, minor issue.
There's pros as well to the 50% DT, allows you to see how further past 99k your WS would originally do without the DT!
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I appreciate all the comments on gear but I'm testing dagda (club) on GEO which has basically nothing lol
Geo can use Silver gun +1 and bronze bullet ;)
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By Carbuncle. Nynja on 2026-02-02 16:57:04
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Cant roll up a bible like a newspaper
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By Genoxd on 2026-02-02 16:48:20
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I appreciate all the comments on gear but I'm testing dagda (club) on GEO which has basically nothing lol
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By . on 2026-02-02 16:46:32
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You should use a bible
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By NynJa on 2026-02-02 16:42:17
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All 22 is part of the last objective for O/U. Wave 1 is like 6-8 NM's, wave 2 is something like 12-16.
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By NynJa on 2026-02-02 16:40:39
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Fenrir.Brimstonefox said: »Or maybe just add segs/galli to copper vouchers. Nyzul tokens por favor
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By Carbuncle. Nynja on 2026-02-02 16:39:54
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I should use reddit?
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Question on the Limbus NMs/CN waves. I thought that all roaming NMs (22) needed to be killed in a zone to begin the basement wave objectives. Is this incorrect? Currently on Bahamut the objectives for what I assume is Wave 1 are active in Apollyon and Temenos but it's only been 2 days so at most 8 roaming NMs per zone have been killed.
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Any good reasons to be affiliated with any specific nation other than wanting Refresh from Sibyl Scarf as Windurstian or Regain from Republican Platinum Medal as Bastokan?
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Quetzalcoatl.Lews said: »It doesn’t have to be an either-or situation. They can make small changes that do not impact the 10-hr/day players too much, but that make a significant difference to the 5-hr/week players. Server congestion, in my opinion, is not really an issue, except possibly on Asura for these events.
For instance:
• Make Odyssey 45 minutes per run. This would enable solo players to get enough segments in a run to obtain a Mogphone II plus an amp, while full-clear groups can still do full clears, and groups that are close to full clears can now achieve them. It’s a win/win with little downside—maybe a bit more gil entering the economy (lower the gil reward, SE, if that’s the bottleneck).
• Get rid of the requirement for Mog amps entirely. All this does is add a second segment gate that serves no real purpose other than increasing the effective cost of a Mogphone II from 3,000 to 4,500 segments. Removing this helps casual players without much impact on the 10-hr/day players who already have all their gear capped.
• Make Sortie 90 minutes per day instead of 60 minutes. Casuals get more gallimaufry, and 10-hr/day players hit 9/9 (or higher) more frequently than before. Increasing the rate of hardcore stage-5 primes isn’t a bad thing, because those players will keep doing them (there are a lot), whereas casuals who currently see a massive wall just to reach stage 3—and therefore don’t even start—might actually play more because it becomes more feasible.
• Limbus literally takes about 20-hours plus to do the 5 climbs each for a causal – that’s not causal…
As a casual who plays from time to time and tends to quit after 30–45 days due to the overwhelming daily requirement grind, these changes would help someone like me stay longer.
I’m also curious whether SE has ever done an analysis to determine whether “daily” requirement events actually hurt retention rather than improve it. I’d be interested to see the results, as I’m not a dopamine-junkie type of player. Once I start feeling the itch of addiction, my brain forcibly shuts it down. I’ve deleted my characters many times because of the forced “wait until the monthly update” period to undelete characters. These are all good suggestions, but I'd honestly like to go further.
Turn them to 3 day events, like how most events in the golden age of FFXI were. Dynamis, Limbus, even HNMs were set up as 3 day events. it made logging in each day feel unique.
I really wish they'd triple the reward rate of Segs/Muffins/Limbus units and make them once per 3 days so that I, as a casual player, am not forced to choose which 6 month grind I want to fall behind on every single day.
I kinda feel like they should for segs/galli have a ki multiplier that upgrades ever 24 hrs you don't enter. That rewards double or triple the segs/galli (or maybe 1.95x/2.9x or just gives a 10% bonus if you went in the last 30 hrs or something) this still makes going daily the "best" (plus you get more gil or chances at +1 cases) but for more casual players or just groups that like to rotate content the ability to make progress with less burnout.
Or maybe just add segs/galli to copper vouchers.
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By Garuda. Chanti on 2026-02-02 15:33:38
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