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Dropped all that muscle and was still huge af. But I hear he was good in it.

Oscar worthy though?

Says who? Asura shouts every single day (I have them blocked, but ffxiah shows them) for "40k Sortie Gallimaufry" runs. You absolutely can buy a Prime, or at least the Gallimaufry part. Wouldn't be surprised if groups sell Mesos too.

Explain to me how 8-bossing an entire Stage 5 is better than grinding ML50, both beginning to end. I'm curious to hear this one. (in fact, you cannot solely "8-boss" a 5, because you require Aminon for Mesosiderites, unless you include Aminon in some runs instead of the other 8 bosses)

Not being able to bot or buy primes is definitely a bonus in my eyes. They would mean very little imo if they could be botted or bought. Currently the only ultimate weapon in the game that cant be bought or botted as far as I'm aware. That's worth something imo.

I thought master levels where meantto he some extra grindy thing that would take a long time. I'm pretty proud of being a 46 fam without any botting and very little exp farms. Almost all done in content.

If you do 9 bosses runs, perfectly reasonable.
If you do 8 bosses runs, way too grindy but still much better than ML50, imho.
With the "little" difference that you can merc buy or bot ML whereas you, reasonably, cannot do that with Primes lol xD

Personally I treat ml 50 as an identifer the persin probably bots and probably is actually terrible at player said jobs. I've rarely been proven wrong. Thats a huge bonus in filtering out shitty players.

Did you see all the muscle he dropped???

crab batons! they are redoing all the special armor/weapons with recolors. I hope we get that cool pen and camera

Agree with everything you said. On Primes:

Yes, I do personally. I know some do it and you could argue the reward for your time is better with primes depending on the weapon, but I've long felt the S5 requirements to be excessive and dumb. People do it, fine, but I see it in the same category as ML50 that it's so far out of reach that players don't see the carrot and it's bad for retention for the same reasons. Neither are strictly necessary but I'd rather they be obtainable, but like you said, obtainable is relative. The game has always had out of reach things (Relics/mythics during 75-cap for instance) but IMO that was, still is, bad game design and doesn't do much to keep players around.

OTOH, Bumba aside, I see r30 in Odyssey as an obtainable goal. You get a good party, you work your clears up, and you get the clear, then you can earn RP with some flexibility in time and who participates. I am not saying it's flawless but compared to Primes and >ML40 - it's more reasonable.


It's just not as rewarding, the rewards to time isn't as big, even considering the other factors. IIRC MLs were intended to work alongside v20/v25 updates (and maybe a few master trials??) per their wording, yet you don't need MLs for those things and the overall stat reward is low.

I guess this all leads to ask - what would make ML50 worthwhile to the playerbase if the current exp numbers stay the same?

In before SE adds a neck to the game with 350 HP, 100 MP, +50 to all Stats and +50 to all native combat/magic skills*

* must be ML50/su6 to equip it.

On colada?

There was a pic of FC +8 earlier in the thread but it's gone now.

Akshually. As an Asuran, I have to correct you. You need ML 60 just to be able turn your (!) LFP flag on. It's hard coded into the server.

Not sure I follow the comparison. An HQ1 neck character to R20 for 2-4M and ML30 for 30M, vs a +2 neck ML0 player, the former is the better investment, just from a stats perspective.

If ML50 gave you a glowing Crown/halo unique lockstyle or Golden Shiny aura around your character, people would care about ML50. That way they can sit in town and show off to everyone their achievement*

+2 neck* for 40 mil is an infinite greater investment than ML30 for 30 mil.

*exceptions apply

I guess this is subjective, because it depends on your definition of "Reasonable". How does ML50 compare to other grinds in FFXI?

How long does it take to grind a Prime weapon beginning to end, maximizing your hour perfectly every single day and using Ruspix whenever it is available? Let's say the number is 5 months, so 150 hours. Add like 10 Ruspix, so 160 hours max to make a Stage 5. Can a player hit ML50 beginning to end in 160 hours (days) if they do at least one hour per day? And there's another component to consider: MLs can be grinded endlessly, something like Sortie is entirely time gated. But to the same end, do players consider Sortie's stage 5 requirements to be unreasonable? I know people who have multiple 5s, so clearly they thought the grind was worth it. Both can be done legit, but people will quickly identify which grind appears to be more worth it for their time and prefer that one.

Now would a normal player think that kind of grind was reasonable? Probably not.


It's all about perspective. I think SE intentionally put out a grind that was so far ahead so that players always have a goal to progress towards. The problem is twofold, though. 1) Players have more lives now than they did a decade or two ago, and the player base is old, so we don't have time or interest to mindlessly grind the same monsters over and over again night after night for an artificial number (but for some reason, we do with Sortie, >.>). 2) MLing in it's current form is extremely boring, and we have long since moved past that model, to the point that it's no longer appealing to players. People would much rather have a laundry list of things they can do every single day (Raids, UNM, Sortie, Omen, Dynamis, Ambuscade, Peach Power etc) that rewarded substantial exemplar points that they can repeat daily and earn similar progress towards ML, than sit there and hit a Colibri with Rudra's Storm for the 426757th time. SE just never updated their stereotypes for what they thought players would want to do with their time.

The other elephant in the room that people ignore about MLs is that they largely don't make a difference in your performance in the long run, but they're just another component in the "sum of all parts" equation. You don't need HQ2 necks. You don't need REMA weapons or Instruments, or Epeolatry or Idris or Yagrush. You don't need luas. You don't need 800 pieces of gear. You don't need 40 different toggles for every scenario. You don't need dozens of meds per character and addons to improve gameplay. You don't need Su5s. You don't need Prime weapons. You don't need R30 gear. But every single addition makes your character that much more powerful and players will always want to climb that ladder. SE understood that, so they made you work your *** off (bot) for it. In the end, it doesn't really matter, but to "you", it does.

Pretty sure I've seen 8% FC on gear.

Today was salad day, but if this keeps up, im gonna have to make a pitstop on my way home for a nice juicy spicy beefy burrito

There's odds and ends like fencer II for /war at i think sj 58, might be another utility spell in there but for the most part its nothing id call as important as foil or fruit. Can do everything without either but they're still very nice to have in the pocket so it sucks you have to go into the hell that is ML 35+ to get them

I'm a dog person, Panta.

But if you're gonna try to guilt me over animal consumption, then you go on the menu!

Does anyone know what's max fast cast dark matter augment for colada? I've seen 6%, not counting the 4% on the unaugmented weapon. Has anyone seen higher?