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For pushing ranged damage on COR on Arebati, is there any fancy tricks to it? Supposed to be 1/2 the ranger, but having a hard time reaching the threshold.

This is very true, and Foxfire summed it up in the 5th post of this thread


Every incremental improvement is a larger improvement overall when combined together. Trying to determine if a piece of gear is "worth it" depends largely on the rest of your gearing choices, but there is no arguing that better is better.

Wait, is a tiered list too much for you to process? Everything must be sorted into exactly two buckets and nuance isn't allowed?

RDM. Enfeebling effect +3 and duration +5% are really good stats, which maximize strong enfeebling effect casted with Saboteur to last as long as possible. Enhancing duration is nice QoL and MND, int and macc are nice bonuses.

MNK. Kick attack rate +5% and kick damage +5 are very good for TP, especially with 2% more pdl. Kick damage and 2% more pdl are great for Tornado and Dragon kick, which are bread and butter for most fights with Godhands and Footwork up.

DRG. -5% DT for the wyvern is really nice, then additional attack, pdl and STR are grest for WSs. But if you don't play DRG in tougher content, then it might not be that important.

BRD. 1%QA and 1stp might look small, but it's quite a lot. Additional pdl on already best dagger WS neck is more important than for some other jobs having access to much more pdl options.

NIN. 5 daken, 2 stp is really good for tp and if you have prime katana its a must have, because of how perfect it is for Zesho Meppo. If you don't I would still +2 it.

I was doing fine till 30 secs ago

Simon gets the point.

If we just assume 40m for +2 and 4m for +1 it’s roughly 880m for a full set of +2 vs 88m for a full set of +1s, many of the +1s are bis for 1 or more stats (except for the +2) or offer some unique bonus/stat. I personally make about 40m a month without focusing on Gil, spending almost 2 years to upgrade 22 jobs for 1 slot is not appealing.

Obviously if you don’t play a job a ton, dumping the Gil is probably not worth it. Even though some like rdm give solid boosts to multiple stats. Although that varies per person.

Tier lists are ok but it’s an indirect answer to the question, I guess if you play all jobs equally which 3-7 would you +2 ? Of course reasons help

+2 all my mule just keeping crafting

No, it’s gear swap only

Worth mentioning is that like the Helheim, the Kusanagi features Detonation/Compression.

Not as game changing for Great Katana, which is the ultimate skillchaining weapon in FFXI, but even so, allows Samurai to do the endless skillchain of Detonation <-> Scission with purely PHYSICAL weaponskills in addition to being a great Darkness option.

(Can also do the endless Compression <-> Transfixion but that involves Goten in this case)

You ranked them. There’s no dividing line on which ones are “worth it.”

Well, the good news is k123 disagrees with your ranking, so you're probably spot on.

The question was specifically which one are worth (meaning worth throwing gils at it) +2 over +1 and I answered that with my first post.


Of in my opinion.

Can't say I've Fudox2 since I got Mumei access.

4/5 Step Light, 3/4 Step darkness or Mumei spam for pretty much everything.

Even for Hybrids I just use Kusanagi for the additional macc and DA.

Ok. You're wrong though.

/shrug

Still looking. If you’re geared and have 8 boss experience, can reach out and we’ll get you up to speed for Aminon. Thanks!

Lol yeah... apart from you are bzzt wrong. Even if you are using the full PDL AM, 35 STR advantage and 10% fudo buff is making that double light combo stronger with masa, not to mention masa high white dmg. Test it yourself on sim or game if you have stage 5 kusa and r15 masa. Not that kusa isn't top tier, but it isn't always bis.

What is this nonsense? What are you fighting, Qutrubs?

FWIW, if the leader is bringing you in, you don't need to do this.

Wut.

Is that Asura-speak or something? No comprende.

The question was which ones were worth it, not what you would rank them

Well, you’re almost there but you’re still supporting my point: Some Necks just aren’t worth it to +2. For Ambuscade it’s almost entirely a VERY SHORT grind to get everything there each month so other than how one goes about getting the completed weapon, not +2-ing Ambu stuff is on the lazy side imo. Nothing wrong with lazy, it’s your time use it as you see fit. And unless SE nerfed it, you should be able to bazaar One Ambu Full Clear to easily purchase 5 Pulse Cells so there really isn’t an excuse there?

Odyssey is the same but in a much slower boat, especially for returning players; that’s why we don’t bark at people for not having a full set of r20+ armors.

Now we circle back to the JSE Necks because 95% of players aren’t gonna be able to make them, and they can get expensive. You mentioned the cost of time, assuming a player is playing normally to earn Gil, it’s going to take muuuuuch longer to purchase a +2 than a +1 so they’re probably getting the +1 and leaving it there unless the +2 of said neck is worth the further investment of time and money. But many of them are not worth it, at least not imo.

40m for the +2 Neck itself then another 31m to Augment it unless you have a Dyna Group. So in the case of THF Neck+1 vs +2 is 71m worth 5ACC/ATK/EVA, 3DEX/AGI, 1% TA Rate and Damage?

Mind you, that’s current market value which is MUUUUCH cheaper than it was when Dyna was fresh, this debate had much higher implications back then lol.

The juice isn’t always worth the squeeze.

I definitely prefer my drg over rng for pure savage spam, the ws bonus drg gets is just so strong and tp bonus doesn't do much when you are already using K-club. Also jumps don't feed tp so you have ways to not completely feed all tp all the time.

I see all this hype about the polearm but it just looks like a minor upgrade over shining one to me. When you compare shining one Impulse drive to Diarmuid you get slightly better equivalent fTP (counting the 40% bonus on shining one) and of course the pdl but lose the ability to crit on ws . The prime also can SC with its self which may or may not be good depending on the content. Like sure its probably the best but lets not pretend we weren't already regularly limited by the damage cap with Shining One.

It's not about the ranking or me, I simply followed OP question and answered it, then I pointed out that your answer was off topic and gave my arguments why I think your list was flawed even when following your meta logic. I'm pretty sure I did exactly what this forum is for.

So you made a tier list not even knowing the stats on the neck. Thank you for your insight :)

Bzzt, wrong. Kusa's PDL pushes fudo damage higher too, and all the other WSs in a 4-step. Fudo is not as high as masa, but close enough and the dmg increase on the other WSs makes it catch up.

Doji is only technically stronger in jinpu if you don't mind losing TP and Kusanagi's AM3. If it's just one pack I don't even switch to Doji.

Only time doji gets used is if only spamming Jinpu or on Kei. Masa's been on a mannequin since stage 5 kusanagi..