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We are truly through the looking glass, looking back on the HNM era with rose-tinted glasses and arguing that that design was less exclusive than a server wide non-instanced battlefield

I mean, what incentive would someone have to come on anything that's not your strongest DD, with the current system, going by your logic?

And likewise for the following points you quoted.

I get the impression, please correct me if I'm wrong, that you misread my examples which anyway, again, were like silly examples and not the solution to the issue.

I think you read my word as if I was suggesting that system in place of the current one, and not in addition.
I'm fine with the current system (damage = points, damage done by party/ally members count as well).
The silly stuff I suggested were to add to that, not to replace.

Took me 8h to take Ultima from 86% to 31% with just my 6box. Then another 2h to kill it with another 6box person. I'm pretty sure its around 1%HP on Ultima is like 2.3-2.4% Unique data bar, because I ended up with 1 full bar and 98% of another one, but I missed like overall 6% of the HP when I was dead.

Lmao! XD Forgot about that.
It's just in the Engrish version though right?
So while in general your example stands -a lot- specifically here I think it's more a matter of HR organization with the ones assigned to the translation team XD

Oddly enough, this does nothing for me. I still have crappy icons.

No. Everyone in the alliance gets the same.

That seems very complex considering these are the same boneheads who left this for the second month straight:

I can be wrong but I have also the impression that the score is not alliance based but party based, so that tank party get significant less points than the dd. Can someone confirm every people in the alliance get the same amount of data?

Create a formula that awards points for every 3 seconds where you are within the first X places in the enmity list of the target(s).

Several ways, but mostly by giving vastly inferior amount of points compared to damage.
For healing you can also use the "amount healed" value in the formula.
For buffs, well, not much to do, maybe more points for new buffs compared to overwrite, I dunno, even nothing.
Even if the amount of points you receive is vastly inferior and preposterous, it's still better than only tracking damage and nothing else, imho.

Absimally low points (or zero?) for attempts at debuffing that do not stick (because of macc check or because a more potent one is present).
More points if you stick a new debuff or dispel a buff.


I mean, these are all just very simple and naive examples, I'm not saying the solution is simple and that I have it.
It's OBVIOUS this would be a complicated aspect to correctly implement and it's exactly the reason why they didn't bother.
I understand that, I'm sure we all do, then again I don't think this is reason enough for justifying not even trying.
We deserve better, FFXI deserves better.
Even if what they come up with won't be perfect, you really don't need deep thermophysics engineering, I'm sure they can do a lot better than the current situation (which, in my humble opinion, is still much better than the previous one, so I'm at least happy to see improvements in the right direction).

I agree and disagree at the same time, is that possible lol?

I get what you're saying in general with your post, with some people being adamant with the attitude of wanting to play alone in a MMO game.
You got a very solid point there imo.

Like you said the big difference here, compared to HNM scene, is that virtually anybody can participate, and it's a pretty huge difference so I agree with you on that as well.
There is another difference you didn't consider though, and this too is pretty big imho.
In the HNM scene mobs tipically repopped every few hrs or once a day, with the rare version once or twice a week.
Here these nms pop once per month.
I mean even if you are willing to participate and to group up, being *** up because the NMs popped in the 6 hours you were at work or sleeping or whatever else and you won't get another chance until the next month, rinse and repeat for like 10 months... it's a bit extreme?

On one hand you can't make so everybody can participate whenever they want, this is not instanced content and you have to draw a line somewhere, there's not a lot to argue.
On the other hand though ONCE per month is a bit... too scarce?
Surely there's gotta be a way to make so it's a bit easier to participate without going from one extreme (ready whenever you want) to the other (once per month)

I don't know how they could "solve" this, but they need to do something imo. This is mostly an issue for Ultima/Omega and so the CN zones. The 44 NMs are probably fine the way they are, with only 4 at a time popping, lots of chances for everyone to at least catch one of them.


Last but maybe not least, is that points are awarded exclusively for damage. I can understand why they did that, because it's simpler and they didn't want to complicate things too much.
Ideally though, they should strive for a better system. One where damage is maybe the main contributor, but where there are other alternatives as well.
I dunno, debuffs? Dispels? Enmity generated? Buffs and heals on players with enmity on the target? Stuff like that. Even if it's less valuable, it should give you some points, no?

Now the same problem returns, even with a VPN. Back to the drawing board

This is one of those anomalies that has not been fully solved yet. There are theories about holding hate on certain targets. Given that it is switching from one target to another, and no drop, this might add to those theories. Just a hunch.

Try using a tank, and/or moderating the dmg output. Using Elemental WS doesn't generate the enmity spikes to make it turn, this seems to be effective for most people.

Bought some, the codes worked.

I struggled to remember where the hell the code was, but it was inside the paper that wraps around the thing.

Thanks to this

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/48751/final-fantasy-xi-priceless-remembrance-question#3102313

Sadly... you CANT use a second code to get the rainbow mog pell on the same character you used, I must have forgotten that. The only ones sendable seems to be the goblin club and the crab club, and the two moogle hats. Lame!

Thx

Awesome addon!

It would be nice to also be able to use this with lock off, for the weirdos that play with autotarget lock off.

Read about this on 4-chan of all places, pretty rad implementation of a single player Final Fantasy of Druaga XI. Thanks for this.

What's the real problem?

I disagree. I think that overreact to everything just minimize the real problems

Last month we weren't forced to alliance up ;) I played raise 3 and smn damage role

I have 0 issue forming up with an alliance, I did yesterday for Tier 2, got a whole 20% bar fill from 3 NMs because another group was doing considerably more damage.

This will never happen if everyone is saying "this is good" "you need to rethink your personal take on this system". You can't be telling people they are overreacting and everything is fine and at the same time saying it'll become better lol

150 people there and you didn't know a single one of them?

I agree, we're both saying the same thing...

We said the same thing differently.

And that will work great for small servers like Carbunle that theres only 18-36 ppl participating. Last month on Bahamut tho? My memory is a little foggy, but I think we had somewhere around 130-150 for Omega. That's a little much to do that sort of coordination and enevitably getting 1/10th of the progress. 10 months of Omega to get 1 chest!

Maybe this is their incentive for people to leave Asura/Odin/Bahamut and go to the smaller servers.

There is no need to be so aggressive. I have no perfect solution but I am sure SE designer are better than me on this. I am sure there will be change to optimize the event.

I don't think it's nearly as bad as the HNM stuff because anyone can contribute. Maybe not individually, with a single character...but hey newsflash guys, like I've been saying for years: it's not a single player game. Gather some friends and go together. Make an alliance with the other people in the zone. Network and build connections.

I went to Omega and nobody in my linkshell was there. Fortunately, 2 guys I knew were leading different parties, so I allied with them. Then 3 more of my friends showed up.

We talked about which jobs were lacking and swapped over. We discussed strategy. You know, like an MMORPG and not Animal Crossing XI.

If you insist on not talking to anyone, not networking, not taking initiative, and insisting that your schedule is so unique and sporadic that nobody could ever possibly want to be your friend, I'm going to continue to lack sympathy when you can't get amazing results out of content in FFXI.

Worst case, you can go COR, SMN, or RNG and do damage to the bosses yourself. They don't really need buffs to push out reasonable damage, so you don't need an alliance of people supporting you to crank out some data.

Everything is a matter of personal consideration but I think you are thinking to this content in the wrong way. This is not an instanced content where you aim to do the 100%, you cannot control it. Very few people (if anyone) will get the 100%. You do not have to see it as you are missing 10 extra chests per month, but that you can maybe get 1-2 extra if you are lucky.

Now, I do not want to say the system is perfect. Points being connected to the damage your party inflict ignoring all other factors is a bit weird, I agree.

I would have preferred to see this system not exceed the 5 chest weekly limit. If it was an alternate path it would benefit a lot more people. Did you participate in the NMs? Then you can spend less time to finish this weeks progress. Unable to participate in the NMs? Then you can still have the option of doing 5 climbs.

Going above the limit and making participation based on dmg dealt exclusive to your party, just recreates the HNM scene..

I get why some people can get disappointed in the "missing NMs" stuff, but ultimately things will calm down eventually, I'm sure of that.
And this also kinda ensures the NMs keep on getting killed steadily everytime, which ensures the whole server will get the "real" reward.
This might not be perfect but to me it feels like a much better and working system than the previous situation which would've slowly started to simply not work.

I'm still annoyed by the block/ignore dt/defense problem on these nms. It's just... wrong. Small thing, but ignites my OCD.


My only real concern at is with the two CN areas. Once per month sounds a bit... rare. A lot of people will want to at least try the content, like once or twice just to see what it's about?
And atm the amount of OHKO moves is a bit too much and more than that the real issue here is availability.

I'm not really sure how they can solve that. BCNM version? Could be a nice compromise but it wouldn't be the same.
Make it pop again like 2-3 more times per month? But make so you only need to kill it once for Server progress?
Would be something but still wouldn't "solve" it.
I dunno, I'm happy with the changes they enacted to the NMs system but I still think there's something else they should do but I can't think of anything.

With Terminus in Dyna D Wave 3 on the BST NM. The most upsetting thing about it, is the BRD had just renewed 5 songs.

But it is a good thing that the NM get killed down as fast as possible for the server. Even if you miss 3-4 extra chest, you are assured to get the real rewards the month later and that s the whole point of the new limbus. I also random participated in nm killing on Asura, just being there when nm popped so, it is definitely not so dire as you think. Even if it is, the reward for killing the nms are minor. Again you are not missing anything worth it.

Lol i was recommended that too. I agree with his opinion its been bad