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By . on 2026-03-08 16:58:19
And bald
And stinking
By . on 2026-03-08 16:57:49
And nerd
And fatty
And perv
By Garuda.Chanti on 2026-03-08 16:45:10
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Thats exactly what AI would say because mammals, and other living creatures, dont have to prove theyre not AI
On the interwebs everyone is AI and/or male until proven otherwise.
By Dodik on 2026-03-08 16:28:18
Regarding accuracy, cornelia's is wsacc+20 in the JP description.
By NynJa on 2026-03-08 16:26:22
But muh meta
By phot0nic on 2026-03-08 16:21:04
I've used both Ephramad's and Cornelia's rings, done a bunch of in-game testing and sims for the jobs I actually play with the buffs I usually have, worked both into my sets for various occasions, and ultimately I think a lot of the conclusions in this thread comparing the two are just wrong. Don't get me wrong, they're both great rings, I absolutely wish I could have both. However, in the OP and some of the following posts, the general conclusion is that Ephramad's is "better" if you put in the work to use it properly, but Cornelia's is nice because you don't have to think about it. As someone who puts in the work in this game and thinks about these things to a probably unhealthy degree, this just isn't true at all.

  • Cornelia's Ring provides a hefty boost to your strongest physical/magic weaponskills all of the time, under all circumstances. Even when you're attack capped, Cornelia's Ring provides a big damage boost. I get it, it's boring and people desperately want something else to be better, but that doesn't change the fact that it'll still likely provide the biggest boost.

  • Ephramad's Ring has the potential to situationally spike to slightly higher damage values (seriously, run the sims yourself and make sure to account for the existence of other PDL+ gear options, the difference between the rings isn't as high as some here are making it out to be) for physical weaponskills than Cornelia's Ring, but falls well behind when the conditions of those situations are not met. The reality is that with the widespread (and ever widening) availability of Aria of Passion, Prime weapons, augmented Odyssey gear, some Sortie earrings, some JSE necks, Crepuscular Pebble, Sroda Ring, and now Limbus gear, the set of situations in which Ephramad's Ring is superior has become practically a niche. This is especially true for Aria of Passion; that buff really took the wind out of Ephramad's sails.


If you play solely in the niche where Ephramad's Ring is superior, then by all means pick that over Cornelia's. However, if you play a wide variety of jobs, a wide breadth of content, a wide assortment of party compositions, you'll almost definitely get a bigger bang for your buck out of Cornelia's Ring.

Someone in this thread referred to Lehko's Ring as an "enthusiast's ring". I wholeheartedly agree with that. Ephramad's Ring is also an enthusiast's ring.

Some additional things to keep in mind:
  • We're all aware of this fact, but I think it deserves extra attention- by going with Ephramad's Ring, you're sacrificing 10% WSD due to opportunity costs of not having Cornelia's Ring. While the 10% PDL+ is nice when you're attack capped, remember that you're lowering your WSD by 10% to gain that (WSD+ is still just as valuable even when you're attack capped), and the only gains you'll see are the difference between the two potential boosts, that difference generally being pretty small. And no, the attack+ and stat+ on Ephramad's Ring does not help close the gap as much as some are implying.

  • Someone in the other thread made the claim that "WSD+ has diminishing returns, but PDL+ doesn't." I've heard this before from others, so I want to make sure we're all tracking correctly. Neither stat has traditional "diminishing returns". WSD+ has linear returns from start to finish. PDL+, on the other hand, does have conditional quasi-diminishing returns, in that the returns disappear completely once you have "enough". PDL+ is similar to accuracy in that if you don't have enough, adding more can make a big difference, but if you do have enough, adding any more is completely pointless. There is no such thing as "enough" when it comes to WSD+, making Cornelia's Ring always valuable.

  • The mention of PDL+ affecting white damage and/or the accuracy boost from Ephramad's Ring in your TP set is really not worth any consideration. The damage boost you'll get from using Ephramad's Ring in your TP set is microscopic, and there are much better ways to boost your accuracy in a TP set than completely sacrificing your ring slot. Criticizing Cornelia's Ring because it's only good in a WS set is ridiculous, Ephramad's is also only good for WS sets (ok, ok, maybe also physical BLU spells, lol).


The fortunate thing about the TVR rings is that this isn't like the Bonanza weapons where you need to pick one. You can go back and forth every week as your situations change. As is unsurprising from my post, I use Cornelia's Ring for now as it provides a substantially larger benefit to my gameplay, but if my conditions ever change, I can freely go back and grab Ephramad's Ring again.
By Carbuncle.Nynja on 2026-03-08 16:09:48
***thats four
By Carbuncle.Nynja on 2026-03-08 16:09:32
Yes that is exactly what every AI would suggest

There are three certainties in life:
Death
Taxes
Asura being a cesspool of stupid people
Panta being AI
By Raytheon on 2026-03-08 15:29:03
Asura.Eiryl said: »
Qutrub Ambu (09/26)

lolmastertrial

Yup, that was it! I remember that being the only time Kannagi was actually useful.
By Nariont on 2026-03-08 15:22:02
That's the thing with cornelia's ring, it is 10% WSD, but that's all it is, a statted ring on a WS with good WSC may not beat it, but itll be pretty close, ephramad's is that + potentially 10 PDL. its a wider gap on magic since there's not as many potent magic rings to compare to in the same vein as phys WS rings so if you were primarily doing magical WS might be a good deal there
By Kylos on 2026-03-08 15:11:11
While doing some tests using Izanami's calculator, I set an i145 target with typical SV buffs (Honor, March, Minuetx2 Mad), COR rolls, and Sublime Sushi on a Mlvl 12 DNC (/drg) with Twashtar R15 + Centovente. Only Dia II + Light Shot + Box Step. No Armor Break.

I do not have decked out Nyame or Gleti's, all the +4s and a few other things like Duty or Aurgelmir +1. Still working on this stuff, but that makes me a viable test to compare Cornelia's vs. Ephramad. I'm not BiS all around, but I'm not seriously undergeared, either.

Found that while doing 3k Rudras with Climactic, Ephramad flies ahead. It is no competition. However, doing 1750 Rudras without Climactic has Cornelia's ahead, but it's so close I wouldn't consider it a win.

If we add Armor Break + Warcry at 1750 (no climactic), Ephramad flies ahead again. This tells me that most of the time, Cornelia isn't winning, and even when it does, it's not by much. When my DNC gets better, Ephramad will keep on getting better. The only time it may suffer is if we can't buff properly or get regular Dispels.

I'd like to do this for DRK next, which is my main job. Again, it isn't mega geared, but it is better than DNC and higher Mlvl. I have a strong feeling DRK's high attack traits will make Ephramad destroy Cornelia even more so.

For what I play, Cornelia would hurt magic WS on my RDM and COR, but I rarely use those jobs anyway, and when I do I'm not the main DPS. It helps, but not enough to justify when I play DRK and DNC far more.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, so feel free to correct anything after doing your own testing. The only thing I haven't done here is test this while using Aria. I'll get back after I've looked through DRK in a similar scenario to above.
By Raytheon on 2026-03-08 15:09:32
Warbandi said: »
Sorry im just curious what have ppl been using there nin at? Soloing there HTBF or escha nms?

This was nearly 3 years ago now, but I built mine up specifically for an Ongo 2 KI strat (we ended up beating it with 1 KI while practicing), but outside that, it slaps in Dyna-D Jeuno :P

There's some Unity NMs where shadows are still useful/necessary if you're soloing, and 1 Ambu in particular NIN was especially useful for, I'd have to dig in the archives to remind myself of which though.

Interested to hear what other people are doing with it.
By . on 2026-03-08 15:08:40
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Thats exactly what AI would say because mammals, and other living creatures, dont have to prove theyre not AI

Do you think AI could come up with a magnific solution to this debate like this??

By Warbandi on 2026-03-08 14:55:30
Sorry im just curious what have ppl been using there nin at? Soloing there HTBF or escha nms?
By Carbuncle.Nynja on 2026-03-08 14:45:55
Thats exactly what AI would say because mammals, and other living creatures, dont have to prove theyre not AI
By palladin9479 on 2026-03-08 14:42:33
We also need to mention Aria which is another 20.8% ~ 22.1% increase in PDL before Marcato or SV boosting it further. It's not enough to be at "Attack cap" for any given scenario, just being at the cap and adding PDL will do nothing for you. You need to be above attack cap by a sufficient amount that you can benefit from the additional raising of that cap. This is why I mention debuffs, because it's only through stacking debuffs that we can reduce the monsters def enough to create that overwhelming ratio that is far above attack cap prior to PDL.
By Acro on 2026-03-08 14:30:05
Is there an up to date Ninja guide anywhere then?
By LightningHelix on 2026-03-08 12:45:28
Get Sage Sundi Back On Stage

(imagine some clap emoji liberally sprinkled between those words)
By . on 2026-03-08 12:32:31
I think I got a good footage for my next chitchat video.

Now you can not only hear me chitchatting but also accompany me while I walk in the street.

Now I can prove to my haters that Im not an AI.
By Shichishito on 2026-03-08 11:50:26
Weatherspoon +1 and Ephramad for that Blinding Fulgor build, obviously.
By Argisto on 2026-03-08 10:10:09
Asura.Sechs said: »
I seem to remember a very detailed test by Argisto concerning the effect of Quick Draw and enfeebling magic.
Were those results ever condensed and reported on BG-wiki?

I'm asking because I'm finding some conflicting info.
The Poison page says Quick Draw increases the potency of Poison (does it?) but there's no mention of it in the Quick Draw page.

I've removed the incorrect Quick Draw entry from the Poison II page. I'll go through the rest of the spell pages later today when I have time.
By Akumasama on 2026-03-08 09:44:02
I seem to remember a very detailed test by Argisto concerning the effect of Quick Draw and enfeebling magic.
Were those results ever condensed and reported on BG-wiki?

I'm asking because I'm finding some conflicting info.
The Poison page says Quick Draw increases the potency of Poison (does it?) but there's no mention of it in the Quick Draw page.
By Akumasama on 2026-03-08 09:42:07
I tried to read the Enfeebling Magic page for this info but I couldn't find any specific confirmation.

I'm wondering if the "Enfeebling Magic Effect" stat does affect Poison.
We know it doesn't affect spells with no potency of course (like Sleep, Silence etc), but what about Poison?
Poison does have a potency, but it uses a kinda unique formula based on enfeebling skill, does anybody know if the "Enf Magic Effect" stat does affect poison or not?


Would be good to update the table in the Enf Magic Skill with a list of spells that do not work with "Enfeebling Magic Effect" btw
By zeta on 2026-03-08 09:29:09
By . on 2026-03-08 08:59:08
I consider him season 2.
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I think the sovereigns as a whole didn't become more prevelant until tamers, but that was because they were released from their imprisonment after the defeat of the dark masters.
By . on 2026-03-08 08:50:33
He coming soon, I didn't put all them but I also have season 3 and 4, full cast. But I'm still working on the display
By . on 2026-03-08 08:34:37
No Qinglongmon?
By euvedant on 2026-03-08 08:03:37
No
By MelioraXI on 2026-03-08 07:54:22
Is he still working at Square Enix? I was under the impression he retired but I could be wrong.
By Warpy on 2026-03-08 07:48:01
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