Lost Finale: What Did You Think? (Spoiler Alert)

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Lost Finale: What did you think? (Spoiler Alert)
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By Kanjirou 2010-05-25 10:34:21  
Just for the people who are confused, the island wasn't Purgatory: everywhere ELSE was Purgatory, in the alternate reality they created when they blew up a nuke at the end of season 5. The island was real. It was only off the island where there was a sort of limbo.
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-25 10:41:55  
I teared up like 6 times but didnt cry until the end. Hurley and Ben's moment really got me though.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-05-27 07:25:57  
OK so I just got done watching the finale, I'ma diehard Lost fan but over the years of trying to figure out all the different possible outcomes, what the hell was going on, and all the mysteries surrounding the characters, my brain seems to have gone into meltdown and I have no idea what the hell happened at the end with the bright light in the church? Christian told Jack they are all dead, is that why Faraday saw the boat at the bottom of the ocean in I think series 4 (not sure which series it was)? So were they always dead on the island and if the light got put out they would be stuck there forever and unable to move on?

PLease somebody clarify just what happened lol ><
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By Siren.Scottyb 2010-05-27 07:47:59  
Just wondered if anyone could clarify something for me, I remember Mr Echos brother walking around the jungle was this also the Man in Black?
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-27 07:49:30  
The island is real. Everything that happened was real except in season 6 where we has the sideways flashes, which were some sort of purgatory. Their spirits met up there to crossover together, the light was them going to the afterlife.
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-27 07:51:26  
Indeed it was Scotty. If we rewatch the series, knowing smokie can take the form of dead people from the island, I bet we see that he has been manipulating everyone since the beginning so he could escape the island, including Ben.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-05-27 08:55:48  
Meh so like what was the point of entire series focusing around things like the Dharma initiative, the 'others' etc. In fact what was the point of the first 5 series >_>;
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-05-27 09:03:50  
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
Meh so like what was the point of entire series focusing around things like the Dharma initiative, the 'others' etc. In fact what was the point of the first 5 series >_>;
To make money I'm betting.

My mother loved the series and watched them all, I could never get into it but would read about what happened from time to time. It had it's interesting tidbits but I still meh at it.
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-27 09:07:27  
From what I have read and saw, the Dharma people were candidates of Jacob's but their imprint on the island was vast. Seems that all the people who arrived on the island was brought by Jacob in order to find a candidate and each time Smokie found some way to kill them.

The Dharma people were wiped out by Ben who thought he was following Jacob but turns out it was most likely Smokie. The point of seasons 1-5 was characters and showing that the island has been going like thousands of years.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-05-27 09:10:26  
I get the impression the writer's ran out of ideas a long time ago but decided to just improvise as long as they could until it culminated into a scenario for a possible ending, which by the way was crap when you consider the length of time it took to reach the climax.
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By Bismarck.Mitchel 2010-05-27 09:18:26  
Ramuh.Sagittario said:
I get the impression the writer's ran out of ideas a long time ago but decided to just improvise as long as they could until it culminated into a scenario for a possible ending, which by the way was crap when you consider the length of time it took to reach the climax.

Supposedly they had the ending in mind from the pilot ~ Jack closing his eyes with a plane flying overhead. The series was also due to run for only a couple of seasons but the studio 'requested' they extend it.

Was a pretty weak ending if that's what they were working toward...


Bad Robot ex-intern take on the finale, interesting read:
http://forum.lostpedia.com/someone-bad-robots-take-finale-t59261.html?s=a91c812afcb771c1ead315a86148775f&s=ca87b23676a949dfdedbbfd3e92103f7&
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-27 09:25:56  
The only time where they had to improvise some was season 3 i think. JJ Abrams actually had the first few seasons and last few seasons planned LONG ago to which Carlton and Damon made only small revisions too.
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By Sylph.Akibakei 2010-05-27 09:27:35  
Gonna post that former employee's comments here. I read them after the finale and loved em. Pretty much summarizes exactly how i feel and caught about the finale:
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First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.


In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.