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DNC: The new queen of FFXI!
Pandemonium.Machiaveli
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By Pandemonium.Machiaveli 2010-06-17 10:39:22
Trebold said: Zekko said:
Queen?
Boxxy will always be the queen. This DNC chick is just hatin.
I *** hate this *** . She needs to shut the *** up and get back to the kitchen .
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Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-17 10:45:11
Leviathan.Thornyy said: I'd go through and point out all the idiocy in this thread, but it's 11:30 AM and I'm half asleep still. Duvessa, quit DNC. Everyone talking about self SCs, stun locks, other garbage.. quit DNC. People mentioning /DRG, go get vbelt.
Yes, the update is awesome.
No, nobody cares about 5% chance of resisting amnesia, DNC skillchains, your mediocre damage, or the fact you can sub drk for a second stun you won't keep mp up for.
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Ramuh.Krizz
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-06-17 10:52:14
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Why is there always someone who sees negativity in every thing that comes their way?
I think we should call them negos (no reference here I swearz, but it's snappy lol). I lol'd
Pandemonium.Machiaveli
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By Pandemonium.Machiaveli 2010-06-17 10:53:11
Me and my negos are going to go troll some updates bitchez !
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By Sylph.Spiriel 2010-06-17 10:54:27
Somewhere, deep in a dusty chest in my mog house, my Avis and Darksteel Kukri just clinked and slid over the wonderful silk of my AF and Raparree.
:3
Alexander.Varistor
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By Alexander.Varistor 2010-06-17 10:54:36
I am surprised it made it to page two before someone had to come on here, bash everyone's happiness and offer absolutely NOTHING other than negativity, and rude *** remarks. YOu don't like dancer, don't play it. Don't invite em, w/e who cares. I love it. i don't have the time to look into these things and see what all the updates have to offer as the jobs get higher, so i thank you guys for posting all the possibilities.
Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-06-17 11:21:37
Alexander.Varistor said: I am surprised it made it to page two before someone had to come on here, bash everyone's happiness and offer absolutely NOTHING other than negativity, and rude *** remarks. YOu don't like dancer, don't play it. Don't invite em, w/e who cares. I love it. i don't have the time to look into these things and see what all the updates have to offer as the jobs get higher, so i thank you guys for posting all the possibilities. I have nothing against dancer. I have it, I play it, it's better geared than any person posting here. I hate people who act like it's a damage dealer though, it's true value is in allowing DD to go balls-to-the-wall without repercussion. You're gimping yourself and feeding the 'DNC is bad' mentality by talking about idiotic things like /DRK /WAR and self skillchains. Focus on healing, if the update allows you to generate tp faster than waltz timers then take advantage of sekkanoki and reverse flourish to weaponskill and keep tp available for healing, but don't lose sight of your true usefulness - being a healer with more than double the power of a perfectly geared RDM or WHM.
Sylph.Kozuki
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By Sylph.Kozuki 2010-06-17 11:25:48
Oh hey, default DW! Awesome! I get to sub war on my DNC now!
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By Asura.Yurisaki 2010-06-17 11:27:13
Leviathan.Thornyy said: I have nothing against dancer. I have it, I play it, it's better geared than any person posting here..
Oh please do share !!
because judging from this you must be pimp !!!!
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By Valefor.Angeluzun 2010-06-17 11:27:41
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: Why is there always someone who sees negativity in every thing that comes their way?
I think we should call them negos (no reference here I swearz, but it's snappy lol).
lol'd and second that motion xD
Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-06-17 11:35:43
Asura.Jetzabel said: This would be a valid opinion if SE didn't continually add abilities that scream WE DON'T WANT YOU JUST TO BE A HEALER/HASTE SAMBA ***, including in this update. SE wants you to use PLD as an endgame tank. Enough said.
Quote: The person who is feeding bad mentality is you, a supposed "better than everyone here" DNC who wants to restrict the usefulness of the job just because you can't think outside the box. Clearly SE wants us all to do that. Restrict the usefulness? Your damage is nothing. If you can maintain healing while DD are all skipping over defensive abilities, cut a mage out and bring another DD. If you can't reasonably cut more mages out and can still maintain healing, then yes, using sekkanoki/reverse flourish to allow for weaponskills will contribute to your overall utility. Even if you outright refuse to cut down on mages, 100 TP in cures is ~720 hp, which'll save a RDM about 150 mp. 1 1/4 blizzard IIIs is a bit over 1000 damage, can you match that? If you mention building flourish, account for the tp used to gain steps or the loss from using building flourish over reverse. I'm not 'restricting your usefulness', I'm explaining why you'd be better off focusing on healing.
Yurisaki said: Oh please do share !!
because judging from this you must be pimp !!!! Athame, vbelt, dusk+1, etc, etc, no mythic for it so I suppose theoretically someone here could be better equipped.. though I'm sad if mythic owners treat DNC this way ._.;
Duvess.Ingame said: Papilio > Athame ahahahahahahahahahaha
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By Asura.Tristean 2010-06-17 11:36:41
I died and went to heaven when I saw this update. Then my character waltz'ed me out of my death because he can cure outside of a party now.
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-06-17 11:44:15
@Thorn
Terp!Galka says hi. And he also says you no can has Haste Samba.
Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-17 11:44:51
Why does he have 8/8 Sword merits? ;x
Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-06-17 11:46:37
Sylph.Kimble said: Why does he have 8/8 Sword merits? ;x I have jobs other than DNC, 14 of them to be exact.
8 sword 8 polearm 4 eva atm, though changing sword over to hand-to-hand when I get around to it. Ninian typically DNCs for me in merits, so I only use it for a second DD party in einherjar or dynamis.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2010-06-17 11:46:44
idk what to think now XDDDDD love this update!!!!!
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By Asura.Yurisaki 2010-06-17 11:47:23
Leviathan.Thornyy said: Yurisaki said: Oh please do share !!
because judging from this you must be pimp !!!! Athame, vbelt, dusk 1, etc, etc, no mythic for it so I suppose theoretically someone here could be better equipped.. though I'm sad if mythic owners treat DNC this way ._.;
Skiping over the finer details (/o\)<- (double facepalm)
<- un-related I just lol'd
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Sylph.Kimble
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-06-17 11:47:48
Leviathan.Thornyy said: Sylph.Kimble said: Why does he have 8/8 Sword merits? ;x I have jobs other than DNC, 14 of them to be exact.
8 sword 8 polearm 4 eva atm, though changing sword over to hand-to-hand when I get around to it. Ninian typically DNCs for me in merits, so I only use it for a second DD party in einherjar or dynamis.
Ah, guess your merits on your page is outdated.
Just seemed odd you would have 8/8 Sword merits when you say PLD and BLU are useless so wasnt sure what else you would want that for.
Maybe COR or RDM.
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Leviathan.Duvessa
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By Leviathan.Duvessa 2010-06-17 11:50:47
Leviathan.Thornyy said: Duvess.Ingame said: Papilio > Athame ahahahahahahahahahaha
Haha, no you dumbass. I said Papilio is a MUCH better mainhand. It's not my fault you can't draw that from the statement about the DMG.
And we were comparing Papilo and the Kartika you mentioned you had also. I said situationally Papilio would still be better than Kartika.
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Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-06-17 11:51:43
They were originally for COR, DW WAR, isolated situations on RDM(apollyon NE SW solos come to mind), DNC pre-athame, etc. I figured I was doing greataxe for pure damage, so I'd go for the utilitarian option with my other 8. Since leveled SAM and MNK and got pretty nice things for them, decided I'd rather go full out epeen.
Leviathan.Niniann
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-06-17 11:52:15
Asura.Yurisaki said: Leviathan.Thornyy said: Yurisaki said: Oh please do share !!
because judging from this you must be pimp !!!! Athame, vbelt, dusk 1, etc, etc, no mythic for it so I suppose theoretically someone here could be better equipped.. though I'm sad if mythic owners treat DNC this way ._.;
Skiping over the finer details (/o\)<- (double facepalm)
<- un-related I just lol'd
Skipping over the finer details....
You meritted Building Flourish. (/o\)
Leviathan.Thornyy
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By Leviathan.Thornyy 2010-06-17 11:53:12
Leviathan.Duvessa said: Leviathan.Thornyy said: Duvess.Ingame said: Papilio > Athame ahahahahahahahahahaha
Haha, no you dumbass. I said Papilio is a MUCH better mainhand. It's not my fault you can't draw that from the statement about the DMG. Dakini, sup? -11 delay, -1 dmg, -15 attack, +4 dex, +3 accuracy.. no contest. Papilio is neither a good mainhand, nor epeen.. especially when you're talking to the person who dualboxed scylla the day after it came out. If accuracy is capped and you're not using the extra acc on dakini(I'm sure you'll try to make this argument), get a STR one too?
fSTR negates the DMG difference, acc is capped for this situation, so you're getting -11 delay for -1 attack. Awesome.
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By Asura.Yurisaki 2010-06-17 11:54:28
yeah back when i played DNC for fun long since changed!
is that funny Picture thread still going?
By Wynter 2010-06-17 11:55:38
Im happy Dnc can now cure outside of Pty, I dont have Sam but would like to try it out for fun!! Good update for us Dancers ^ ^
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Leviathan.Duvessa
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By Leviathan.Duvessa 2010-06-17 11:55:56
Leviathan.Thornyy said: Dakini, sup? -11 delay, -1 dmg, -15 attack, 4 dex, 3 accuracy.. no contest. Papilio is neither a good mainhand, nor epeen.. especially when you're talking to the person who dualboxed scylla the day after it came out. If accuracy is capped and you're not using the extra acc on dakini(I'm sure you'll try to make this argument), get a STR one too?
Rofl at this idiot saying 4 dex > 15 attack. Obviously understands nothing about Dancing Edge.
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By Asura.Yurisaki 2010-06-17 11:59:23
Leviathan.Duvessa said: Leviathan.Thornyy said: Dakini, sup? -11 delay, -1 dmg, -15 attack, 4 dex, 3 accuracy.. no contest. Papilio is neither a good mainhand, nor epeen.. especially when you're talking to the person who dualboxed scylla the day after it came out. If accuracy is capped and you're not using the extra acc on dakini(I'm sure you'll try to make this argument), get a STR one too?
Rofl at this idiot saying 4 dex > 15 attack. Obviously understands nothing about Dancing Edge.
I want to see his gear set!!
not saying mine is perfect, but he DID so time to show us the goods ^^
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Yes, the title remains true if you're male or female. Either way, you're a dancing queen.
This new update will bolster lots of improvements to the already amazing job of Dancer. Though not many people know its strengths, its already rather exceptional in merit parties and in DRK zergs.
Here is a list of the changes for DNC in an easy to read list complete with your loyal FFXIAH Dancer's commentary on the additions:
Presto (DNC Lv.77 Recast: 15 sec ~ Duration: 30 sec.)
Enhances the effect of your next step and grants you an additional finishing move.
This means stronger debuffs, and 3 finishing moves per step. Steps have 15 sec cooldown, so does this JA.
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Divine Waltz II (DNC Lv.78 Ability Delay: 20 sec.)
Restores the HP of all party members within a small radius.
Gogo more potent Curaga dance. Not much more to say.
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Climactic Flourish (DNC Lv.80 Ability Delay: 90 sec.)
Allows you to deal critical hits. Requires at least one finishing move.
If this stacks with WS’s then you can crit on… Dancing Edge. This = absolute WIN.
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Crit. Atk. Bonus: Improves power of critical hits. Dnc level 80
Bad ass job trait… Who doesn’t want stronger crits? This in combo with Climactic Finish will result in basically a potent replacement for Sneak Attack.
Tactical Parry: Grants bonus TP when parrying an attack. DNC 77
Extra TP off those odd parries. Can’t hurt, right?
Skillchain Bonus Improves skillchain damage. DNC 45
Extra damage for skillchains? Also bad ass… Though situational unless you actually solo skillchains on DNC. Typically a waste of finishing moves though.
Conserve TP Occasionally cuts down TP cost of weapon skills. Dnc 77
Once again… Another bad ass addition to the Dancer arsenal. The chance to retain some of your TP upon WS’ing is very cool.
Dancers will be able to perform the ability "Cure Waltz" on non-party members.
Awesome. Sucked being a solo DNC in campaign sometimes when you could only heal yourself. Now you can also help cure alliance members too!
Now… Last but certainly not least… In fact this is easily the best new thing:
The "Dual Wield" job trait will become available to dancers at level 20, with the degree of mastery increasing in stages thereafter.
Yes… yes that’s right… Dnc/War, Dnc/Sam, Dnc/Thf, Dnc/Drk, Dnc/anything you can think of for boosted DD potential with the ability to still dual wield since Dancer will get the trait themselves… absolute madness. Possibilities are endless… Dnc/Whm with aspir samba to get mp for extra cures is always nice. Also Dnc/Drk will have 2 stuns. Violent flourish is a stun with a 20 second cooldown that already exists in-game, btw.
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