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 Cerberus.Kalyna
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:03:40
Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing.
Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D
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By Odin.Mikumaru 2010-09-14 13:04:31
Law Abiding Citizen made a good point of how broke the American Justice System is . Film is Film but truth can be found in fantasy . Here in CT , the Petit Murders (Cheshire Home Invasion) happened over 3 years ago and they just started the Trial Today . The idea of slow moving justice is to protect those wrongly accused but there seem to be so many loop holes and side steps that even the most guilt are able to get away with crime .
But we're the greatest country in the world . Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness . ha.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-14 13:04:48
Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing.
Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T
Kittens though... too cute for words. :3
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:07:09
Odin.Mikumaru said: Law Abiding Citizen made a good point of how broke the American Justice System is . Film is Film but truth can be found in fantasy . Here in CT , the Petit Murders (Cheshire Home Invasion) happened over 3 years ago and they just started the Trial Today . The idea of slow moving justice is to protect those wrongly accused but there seem to be so many loop holes and side steps that even the most guilt are able to get away with crime .
But we're the greatest country in the world . Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness . ha. That's another thing that pisses me off.
Crimes that happened 10 years ago, start the first trial this year. (overexageration here but you get my point)
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:08:13
Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-14 13:09:10
Ramuh.Dasva said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o)
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:11:27
Caitsith.Zefiris said:
They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o)
lol i'm waiting for you to find out that x meat is in your y sammich.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-09-14 13:12:29
Caitsith.Zefiris said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o) You eat some cat or dog in Asia unknowingly or something :P
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-14 13:14:25
Nonononono! *fingers in ears* CAN'T HEAR YOU
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:18:33
Asura.Catastrophe said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Asura.Catastrophe said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Asura.Catastrophe said: To support a death penalty system means to say its alright to kill an innocent person. Just because this woman may not be innocent doesn't mean innocent people haven't died by an imperfect justice system. That is an extreme statement :/ here is the realistic one: To support a death penalty system means we are willing to risk killing an innocent person due to that fact that we have sooooooo many ways get gain evedance to prove what did/didn't happen in a crime and who was/wasn't involed in it that the likly hood that innocent people whould be killed in this system are low. You're talking about a system where prosecurial behavior makes or breaks trials. A lot of the time there isn't DNA evidence to support it either. At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt. My statement is still alot more accurate then yours :/ . Your statment inplys that 40%~60% of the people convicted are innocent. My statement implies that innocent people have been killed by this process. The number or percentage doesn't really matter, the point is that this happens. I'm only saying by supporting the system you have to say it's alright that this happens. And I'm saying you are supporting a system that allows innocent people to be killed by guilty people and for them to be supported for free when we have a huge unemployment goign on right now and people who have commited no crimes to go hungry and starve to death. Hell there are people who commit crimes solely to go to jail and get a free ride. And who is paying for that? Yeah the innocent
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By Lakshmi.Jaerik 2010-09-14 13:19:20
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:19:29
Caitsith.Zefiris said: Nonononono! *fingers in ears* CAN'T HEAR YOU Yer really eating squirrel meat!!!!
/dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuuuun
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:21:23
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o) You eat some cat or dog in Asia unknowingly or something :P Or near my house. We had a place called $1 chinese lol. Or
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By Quetzalcoatl.Sectumsempra 2010-09-14 13:21:28
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken.
Hey, I just finished backreading, hold your horses and I'll get to you >_>
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:21:34
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken. Which is why I really hate voting. It's basically "Which person is less evil than the other" now instead of "Which person will actually do something about these situations"
then of course there's that tainted media who only report on the bad stuff President X does instead of the good things (or don't talk about it as much)
i.e. Clinton, George Dubya, Obama.
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By Asura.Limelyte 2010-09-14 13:22:21
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency. The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days. I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind. And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken. +1
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:22:31
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-09-14 13:24:01
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken. I read it, didn't really deem replying necessary since I agree with you on the inconsistency mark.
I try to be consistent with my arguments, I like to stress on the word try though.
Should I have +1'd?
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:25:37
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and c, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken. Maybe we are used to contradictions... I mean just look at the it must be true because you can't disprove it argument some *cough* people use. But bring up other things that can't be disproven and sure enough they don't beleive that.
Besides how is incompetence and ineptness a contradiction for wanting the government to change in some ways? Maybe we view such things as signs of the governments incompetence?
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By Titan.Darkwizardzin 2010-09-14 13:27:08
Asura.Catastrophe said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Asura.Catastrophe said: Titan.Darkwizardzin said: Asura.Catastrophe said: To support a death penalty system means to say its alright to kill an innocent person.
Just because this woman may not be innocent doesn't mean innocent people haven't died by an imperfect justice system. That is an extreme statement :/ here is the realistic one:
To support a death penalty system means we are willing to risk killing an innocent person due to that fact that we have sooooooo many ways get gain evedance to prove what did/didn't happen in a crime and who was/wasn't involed in it that the likly hood that innocent people whould be killed in this system are low. You're talking about a system where prosecurial behavior makes or breaks trials. A lot of the time there isn't DNA evidence to support it either. At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt. My statement is still alot more accurate then yours :/ . Your statment inplys that 40%~60% of the people convicted are innocent. My statement implies that innocent people have been killed by this process. The number or percentage doesn't really matter, the point is that this happens. I'm only saying by supporting the system you have to say it's alright that this happens.
Fair enough. I just wanted to make the point that even tho innocent people can/do die in this system that the system make many safegrads to make the number of these people as low as possible.
And for the record I'm not a suporter of this system (due to the fact that judgement is a flawed conpet in my opinion due to the fact that people have different perceptions. A human can't make a "perfect" judgement on wheather or not a person deserve to die (the fact that we don't even know the meaning of life doesn't help this). we can only make judements based on our own experience and opinions (only god (if he/she exists) can make a perfect judgement (if that is even possible))).
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-14 13:27:18
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken.
Well, I thought I responded to you. ; ; People seem more interested in deciding whether this person should be killed, rather than question the policy itself. I can understand why some people would be for capital punishment.
If someone you dearly loved was murdered, raped, tortured... to think of someone you cared about having their body abused and mutilated, that person is terrified, alone, and in pain when they die... it's just a very emotional thing for me to think about, Idk about everyone. I think that emotional aspect can make you want justice. The justice of denying the person the same thing they denied someone you loved.
I can understand why someone would be for or against capital punishment, but in my current state of mind, I don't feel it morally right to have the power to deny someone the right to life.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2010-09-14 13:27:19
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken.
And this surprises you? I've never seen anyone on this site say "Oh, your arguments sound valid. I think I'll re-evaluate my stance on this subject". Not once. The discussions are all one-sided, shallowminded and of particular low quality, with a lot of people using inaccurant information to fuel their ideas.
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By Caitsith.Zefiris 2010-09-14 13:28:17
Ramuh.Dasva said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o) You eat some cat or dog in Asia unknowingly or something :P Or near my house. We had a place called $1 chinese lol. Or
Lol, very cute Das. :p
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2010-09-14 13:28:21
Caitsith.Zefiris said: I think death sentences are more expensive to the tax payers, due to all the appeals and court fees. I could be wrong though. I really hate when they give people like a 150 year sentence then reduce it due to good behavior. :\ She says she's scared to die, how does she think her family felt? Phoenix.Darki said: death sentences are probably cheaper than keeping someone in jail lol you know how much they spend? food and other needs, plus activityes plus cell/bed whatever. ^ that though depends on how long the prisoner stays. and lol with what she did i doubt she'd get out if she wasn't sentenced to death.
Death sentences are far more expensive for the tax payer.
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2010-09-14 13:31:29
Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: What gets me is the lack of consistency.
The people who scream loudest about how the government is over-powered and intrusive, out of control and oppressive, incompetent and inept, are the same ones that want to drastically expand the same government's ability to swoop in and kill them. And I guess here's my problem with US politics these days.
I raise a perfectly valid contradiction. Nobody acknowledges or even tries to argue it. They just brush it off as expected, (aw, isn't that cute that Jaerik expects arguments to make sense), and move right on to squabbling for their pre-decided "team." Because winning is more important than having a consistent argument, and no one goes into the debate with the possibility of changing their mind.
And people wonder why both major US parties are so broken. /comfort
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:31:34
Caitsith.Zefiris said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Caitsith.Zefiris said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Dasva said: Cerberus.Kalyna said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Cats like to hunt, they like to *** sit in the shadows and stare at their prey waiting for a chance to strike man. EXACTLY they have fun killing. Exact reason why some humans have fun going hunting. They like to kill. It's the only "legal" way to kill. And we eat cats :) Tastes like chicken =D Cats scare me, and they hate me. I like dogs. T_T Kittens though... too cute for words. :3 We eat dogs too They're still animals. :p I happen to abstain from such meats. :x (I hope. o.o) You eat some cat or dog in Asia unknowingly or something :P Or near my house. We had a place called $1 chinese lol. Or Lol, very cute Das. :p Thanks
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-09-14 13:32:04
Lakshmi.Flavin said: Death sentences are far more expensive for the tax payer. Could you list like any source for that?
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2010-09-14 13:33:11
Ramuh.Dasva said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Death sentences are far more expensive for the tax payer. Could you list like any source for that? Your paycheck =P
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/13/AR2010091306282.html?sid=ST2010091306394
Tl;DR: This woman plead guilty to charges against her where
she paid a man to kill her husband, stepson, and let one of the murders have sex with her 16 year old daughter. She is to be executed on the 23rd, the first woman to be executed in VA in 100 years.
She is now begging for her life saying she acted out of character and that she thought she was innocent since it wasn't her pulling the trigger.
Can anyone take this person seriously? It says she's border line mentally retarded but even my mentally retarded cousin knows right from wrong. It's really annoying to see horrible people like this try to justify their actions instead of taking responsibility for what they've done.
Before any of you decide to use Mentally retarded as a defense know that being mentally retarded does not exclude you from Mens Rea. She KNEW exactly what was happening, and she knew it was wrong.
Thoughts?
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