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Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-25 14:10:38
Lol sorry. But I grew up with only my dad for support. While he was paying child support to my half sister. He had 0 help which means he also paid for day care or took me to work with him most the time
We ate crap like hamburger helper ramen rice roni etc all the time. We lived in the cheapest places we could find and/or got roomates. I got all my clothes at the good will. Which also happened to be most of my bday and christmas presents.
You learn to be Frugal
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-25 14:10:59
My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation.
Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-10-25 14:10:59
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. it would be nice if America was filled with rainbows and butterflys and even half the people taking advantage of hand outs and all the other *** programs actually needed it... the sad part is that is not the case. most of the people who do need it get *** and the people getting it are *** tax payers and sucking this Country dry.
I say you and I form a party and clean this ***up.
I already have a rule to kick off our manifesto ~> All unemployed citizens living off benefits will be required to wear a subligar, this will be mandatory or no benefits.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:12:25
Bahamut.Dasva said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Dasva said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: $15,080 before taxes, - about 10k in housing(and electric bill etc), 3.5k in food, plus travel expenses, you're left with ***, what if somebody gets sick, your car breaks down, minimum wage doesn't cover the cost of living for ***. Also that's assuming you get 40 hours/week. At worst yes. Most places are a bit high. Live somewhere cheaper. Spend less on food bills etc. It's actually rather easy if you are willing to get some crappy small place and not eat cheap. no, at least buddy. Cheap rent around here is 550, average 800, + electric, you're looking at almost a grand a month, working 40 hours a week at 8.5 i pull almost 1100, you try to cover the cost of a car and food on that, it just can't be done. I wouldn't imagine working for minimum wage, it's well below the cost of living, so get over your deluded self. Jesus why the hell are you paying so much for electric? Also go for cheap and save 250. I'm not really trying to save but I'm at about $200 a month of food. I could go as low as $100 if I wanted to do the sandwich and ramen diet lol
Public transport, walking, biking has already been suggested. I used to ride my bike a good 6 miles to work. But that's more because I refuse to get a car lol.
public transportation here sucks ***, and doesn't run 24/7/365
because we have a monopoly on the utility and we pay what they tell us to pay.
So average rent being 700(going cheap) electric random from 80-180 (depending on season) + food, + transportation expenses, I'm way over budget, I'm sorry but your ideas of minimum living are way too minimum, people can't survive for long periods of time on that, + medical expenses.
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-25 14:12:58
Phoenix.Darki said: blind *** talking, on PR public transportation is only on the metro area, which is by chance only 1 city and by chance the most expensive to live in, which by chance a min wage job will only pay for your rent and nothing else. Shut the *** up Walk. Ride your bike. It's good for you.
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-10-25 14:13:17
working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will.
survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide..
people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-25 14:13:50
Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses.
Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that.
It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride. Do people really not understand that not every place has public transportation?
If you live in a place with public transportation, it's generally more expensive. You know taxes?
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-10-25 14:13:51
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Also while I'm on a rant (this isn't aimed at anyone) people shouldnt have *** kids if they can't afford to look after them, the government didn't have your child so why the *** should they pay you to raise the child.
Man sometimes I wish we could go back to caveman days where you either went out and worked to find food an shelter or you and your family were ***. Dont go there. Kids hAve a right to eat no matter the ciscumstances they are born in. Lyou wanna see a newborn starve to death?
Wtf this kind of individuality is what will lead us to destruction and doesnt help us progress as humanity.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:14:14
Bahamut.Dasva said: Lol sorry. But I grew up with only my dad for support. While he was paying child support to my half sister. He had 0 help which means he also paid for day care or took me to work with him most the time
We ate crap like hamburger helper ramen rice roni etc all the time. We lived in the cheapest places we could find and/or got roomates. I got all my clothes at the good will. Which also happened to be most of my bday and christmas presents.
You learn to be Frugal yes and the cost of living in the 80's and 90's was a lot lower than it is today, minimum wage hasn't kept up.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-25 14:14:27
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps.
I love that idea!
Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-25 14:14:33
Leviathan.Chaosx said: My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation.
Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living. we made due with just that in the early 20th century, even less before that.
too many pampered couch potatos.
which could inversely be related as to why people have to work themselves to the bone.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps.
I love that idea!
you'd have people crying about prejudice for something like that.
household profit assessment(which could be slipped into the welfare agreement on its own) would make a bigger difference.
if they appear to have more net worth than profit somethings up, then they lose benefits.
Cerberus.Nutt
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By Cerberus.Nutt 2010-10-25 14:15:13
Fenrir.Weewoo said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: mandatory *** drug tests for welfare and food stamps. This. Oh *** God, THIS!
Not going to happen folks. I see lawyers getting rich off of this one!
Bismarck.Tuvae
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2010-10-25 14:15:26
Ive gotten no help from the job centre trying to find a job neither, they asked me
"So what sort of job are you interested in finding? whats your area of expertise?"
Me: Top of the list? Animator, thats the one thing i really want to do.
Them: "Ehm, how about we put that as the least important thing, since its not likely to happen, its a bit farfetch'd, lets put retail as your number 1 job"
Now dont get me wrong, i know animation is hard to get into. But why *** ask me if they arent going to put it top of the list? -_-; They dont even go throw a list of possible jobs when im there. So in protest, ive started takin the utter piss. I need to fill out these forms about what i do to find work. What i did/date/what happened/what im going to do next. One entry a few weeks ago:
What I did: Pretended to be a Christian and applied to Bethany Christian Church to be an aid worker; failed.
Date: 15/9/10
What happened: Nothing.
What im going to do next: Be more serious/try harder.
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-10-25 14:15:30
Bahamut.Dasva said: Phoenix.Darki said: blind *** talking, on PR public transportation is only on the metro area, which is by chance only 1 city and by chance the most expensive to live in, which by chance a min wage job will only pay for your rent and nothing else. Shut the *** up Walk. Ride your bike. It's good for you. Sure at midnight walking in a small road dark that i could get ran over or raped. Get *** real.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:16:04
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will.
survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide..
people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression I just read a bunch of QQ
we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist.
Lakshmi.Aurilius
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2010-10-25 14:17:15
My college was paid for through scholarships and grants, so no it's not ***.
I grew up with only my mother who worked her *** off and had nothing. I busted my *** in highschool and scored quite well on the ACT exam for college entrance.
Growing up I didn't have ***, so I was easily able to live without ***. Some people are just so used to the lifestyles they lived while under their parents roof that when they get out into the real world they feel they should be entitled to those same luxuries.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2010-10-25 14:17:19
Leviathan.Chaosx said: My whole point for anyone who even remotely understands economics, is the minimum wage hasn't even come close to keeping up with inflation.
Sure you can live within some shitty means. But working 40hrs a week, riding a bike or walking 10 miles to work. Just to have a tin roof a bucket of water and some table scraps, isn't living.
Increasing the min wage will speed up inflation as well. Of course the US could do with bumping that thing up. In Canada (ontario) min wage is 10.70$ CAD ~ atm and raising. In the mean time tho you need to work with it.
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-25 14:17:23
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: public transportation here sucks ***, and doesn't run 24/7/365 because we have a monopoly on the utility and we pay what they tell us to pay. So average rent being 700(going cheap) electric random from 80-180 (depending on season) + food, + transportation expenses, I'm way over budget, I'm sorry but your ideas of minimum living are way too minimum, people can't survive for long periods of time on that, + medical expenses. Lol most places don't run 24/7. Mostly cause that is rarely needed.
There is always conserving power. I personally don't use heat most the time and just snuggle up :). Turn lights off etc. Even in a 5 bedroom house I can keep it under $50 between gas and electic depending mostly on how much cooking I'm doing.
You did say previously cheap housing is 550... probably really crappy places cheaper but lets stick with your 550.
I guess I just grew up living with crap. Including not seeing a doc from age 5 to 18 lol
Phoenix.Darki
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-10-25 14:18:04
Listen to dasva foolks he knows about economics and he knows living in a hole not being able to afford it all even if you work your *** off is just bein lazy. Cuz u know. U cant afford it all even if you cut back even on food
Dasva stop living in disney land. Youre too old for it
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-10-25 14:19:03
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I just read a bunch of QQ
we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist.
move to west virginia then im sure you could get the same shitty job you got now there and live super cheap.
$700 is high, you can find cheaper i live in the bay area and can find cheaper you can rent a room here for 450-500 get room mates. i highly doubt the cost of living is the same where you live for where i live.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:19:43
Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses.
Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that.
It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride.
You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-10-25 14:19:44
Bismarck.Tuvae said: Ive gotten no help from the job centre trying to find a job neither, they asked me "So what sort of job are you interested in finding? whats your area of expertise?" Me: Top of the list? Animator, thats the one thing i really want to do. Them: "Ehm, how about we put that as the least important thing, since its not likely to happen, its a bit farfetch'd, lets put retail as your number 1 job" Now dont get me wrong, i know animation is hard to get into. But why *** ask me if they arent going to put it top of the list? -_-; They dont even go throw a list of possible jobs when im there. So in protest, ive started takin the utter piss. I need to fill out these forms about what i do to find work. What i did/date/what happened/what im going to do next. One entry a few weeks ago: What I did: Pretended to be a Christian and applied to Bethany Christian Church to be an aid worker; failed. Date: 15/9/10 What happened: Nothing. What im going to do next: Be more serious/try harder.
LMFAO XD
Those forms are great an I'm pretty sure they don't check up on the information you put in there from ym experience.
Bismarck.Tuvae
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By Bismarck.Tuvae 2010-10-25 14:19:44
Id love to have a job that paid minimum wage... lets face it, its 5.90 more an hour than im makin now!
Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-25 14:19:54
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: working 40 hours a week isn't cutting it or giving you enough money? get another *** job... that's wtf i did when i needed to people are lazy as ***. i would do anything for my family to provide if i have to work 3 *** jobs and never sleep i *** will.
survive.. survive.. survive.. people don't think that way ANY MORE people sit there with there hands out crying provide.. provide.. provide..
people want to know about struggle? go talk to people who lived through the great depression I just read a bunch of QQ
we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist. why is there no reason this poverty should exist?
take a good look at majority of the world in comparison to how americans live?
we can do without as many luxuries.
but this type of argument isn't going to produce much past both of us not budging on our opinions.
Fenrir.Weewoo
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By Fenrir.Weewoo 2010-10-25 14:20:32
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses.
Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that.
It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride.
You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed.
I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest.
Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:20:55
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I just read a bunch of QQ
we aren't in the great depression, and technology is worlds apart from what it was then, there's no reason as a society that this kind of poverty should exist.
move to west virginia then im sure you could get the same shitty job you got now there and live super cheap.
$700 is high, you can find cheaper i live in the bay area and can find cheaper you can rent a room here for 450-500 get room mates. i highly doubt the cost of living is the same where you live for where i live.
west va is about the same, well unless you want to live in a shack. I'm about half an hour away from the wva line, so yeah don't talk about things you don't know.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2010-10-25 14:20:56
Lakshmi.Aurilius said: My college was paid for through scholarships and grants, so no it's not ***.
I grew up with only my mother who worked her *** off and had nothing. I busted my *** in highschool and scored quite well on the ACT exam for college entrance.
Growing up I didn't have ***, so I was easily able to live without ***. Some people are just so used to the lifestyles they lived while under their parents roof that when they get out into the real world they feel they should be entitled to those same luxuries.
No offense, but your story seems like an after school special about someone who had to overcome adversity.
Not everyone get grants, scholarships, etc.
Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-10-25 14:21:13
Fenrir.Weewoo said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses.
Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that.
It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride.
You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed.
I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest.
Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances. I'm surprise that Jet has lived in most areas.
Bahamut.Jetackuu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-10-25 14:21:22
Fenrir.Weewoo said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Fenrir.Weewoo said: Cars are counter productive to living expenses.
Mandatory insurance with varying policies and fluxating payments, gasoline, maintenance, etc. Not to mention any loan you may have made to pay for the car in the first place with the cumulative interest building on that.
It really is cheaper to use public transportation or just walk/bike ride.
You do realize that public transportation in most areas is crap, or non-existent? Not to mention the fact of the danger posed.
I'm not saying it's the best alternative, but rather the cheapest.
Owning a car really is counter productive for living finances.
It's a necessity in most cases though.
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-10-25 14:21:30
Phoenix.Darki said: Listen to dasva foolks he knows about economics and he knows living in a hole not being able to afford it all even if you work your *** off is just bein lazy. Cuz u know. U cant afford it all even if you cut back even on food
Dasva stop living in disney land. Youre too old for it No if you are really working your *** off you aren't lazy. If you can't afford it with what you have you are just living beyond your means. It's ok most peope do it. It's just not as hard on most.
I wish. Disney land would be nice. But it cost too much
So, my friend has worked for a bank for a while, so he has seen a lot of shit. He tells me all the time about how people have gotten unemployment checks for years, as if it was another check to receive monthly. He's from a small town, so he knows some of these people. He knows that they take on odd-jobs that pay them under-the-table, as a way to get both unemployment and money for working. He knows that they also try to stay in a range so that they can still apply for foodstamps, which they then buy food just to sell for more cash.
So, this just pisses me off. I'm the type of person who likes to fuel my own anger to a subject, so I went browsing around the internet for stories of people doing shit like this.
The first place I check has this site. Read the very first comment afterwards:
yes i have a house and we pay 1600 for mortgage , and the others bills and they dont want to give us food stamp , by husband work in a temp job now because he lost his previous job , i have an illness and im taking ssi and i went to apply for f, stamps and they denied it , because we make a lot of money , but thet dont count , the water , the sewer, the phone , the cable the heat our personal expenses the insurance for both cars , groceries ect , i think they have to, change the way gov, its working , because we realy need a lilltehelp ..
I can only pray that this person is joking.. You can't have the internet, cable, phone, and TWO cars be factored into it as if they were all neccessary items for living. Of course they denied your damn food stamps! What is wrong with these people? Do they feel like they should be entitled the world for doing nothing?
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