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Wikileaks And Anonymous
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Wikileaks and Anonymous
Somebody had a great idea can't remember where i read it though..
basically suggest wikileaks will end up like napster when napster finally got shut down it was because they had centralized servers. Then came gnutella and everybody shared in the hosting or w/e Basically shutting down napster created gnutella which was much harder to control than napster. When all the governments finally end up shutting down wikileaks for its "illegal activities" their problems wont go away. I'm sure some of the brain-child computer dudes out there will make a new website that is decentralized and there will be even less ability for governments to control what is released. "and doesn't afraid"
stopped reading at that point. Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional.
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Pretty impartial, don't really care what happens to PayPal because I don't believe in their stated rationale for what they did to Wikileaks. Every US-based company is dropping any affiliation with Wikileaks under pressure from the government and I am against that. They're stifling the free principles of the internet.
Whether or not you agree with what Wikileaks does, we can all agree we don't want internet censorship because governments can't contain their own secrets.
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Bismarck.Dracondria said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional. I'm going to be in the gravy-boat who counter trolls these trolls, I will do nothing for this guy. What will happen=people will jump all over this and it'll become the second coming of the whole scientology campaign. I'm just going to skip ahead and start hating these *** who claim to be "anon", but are trying to do something they see as "good", never agreed with it being all about that. too much organization, not enough anarchy for that. I will dissent the dissenters as I always have.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional. I'm going to be in the gravy-boat who counter trolls these trolls, I will do nothing for this guy. What will happen=people will jump all over this and it'll become the second coming of the whole scientology campaign. I'm just going to skip ahead and start hating these *** who claim to be "anon", but are trying to do something they see as "good", never agreed with it being all about that. too much organization, not enough anarchy for that. I will dissent the dissenters as I always have. And what will that accomplish?
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I'm ignorant as to why paypal is the enemy. Anyone want to fill me in?
Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional. I'm going to be in the gravy-boat who counter trolls these trolls, I will do nothing for this guy. What will happen=people will jump all over this and it'll become the second coming of the whole scientology campaign. I'm just going to skip ahead and start hating these *** who claim to be "anon", but are trying to do something they see as "good", never agreed with it being all about that. too much organization, not enough anarchy for that. I will dissent the dissenters as I always have. And what will that accomplish? my accomplishment is me giving myself a job well done pat on the back. I'm old school, this ***is not old school. pretty much.
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I'm ignorant as to why paypal is the enemy. Anyone want to fill me in? Wired News Quote: “PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,” reads a statement on PayPal’s website. “We’ve notified the account holder of this action.”
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional. I'm going to be in the gravy-boat who counter trolls these trolls, I will do nothing for this guy. What will happen=people will jump all over this and it'll become the second coming of the whole scientology campaign. I'm just going to skip ahead and start hating these *** who claim to be "anon", but are trying to do something they see as "good", never agreed with it being all about that. too much organization, not enough anarchy for that. I will dissent the dissenters as I always have. And what will that accomplish? my accomplishment is me giving myself a job well done pat on the back. I'm old school, this ***is not old school. pretty much. Now you're confusing me. Not doing anything = accomplishment in defiance?
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Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I'm ignorant as to why paypal is the enemy. Anyone want to fill me in? Paypal is an american company.. they froze wikileaks money, and i'm pretty sure handed it over to the american government.. who seized it for illegal activities.
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Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bismarck.Dracondria said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: "and doesn't afraid" stopped reading at that point. It's intentional. I'm going to be in the gravy-boat who counter trolls these trolls, I will do nothing for this guy. What will happen=people will jump all over this and it'll become the second coming of the whole scientology campaign. I'm just going to skip ahead and start hating these *** who claim to be "anon", but are trying to do something they see as "good", never agreed with it being all about that. too much organization, not enough anarchy for that. I will dissent the dissenters as I always have. And what will that accomplish? my accomplishment is me giving myself a job well done pat on the back. I'm old school, this ***is not old school. pretty much. Now you're confusing me. Not doing anything = accomplishment in defiance? essentially. people became posessed to make "anonymous" some political group, I don't agree with that. If it's about tormenting people with pixels I'm fine, but I just don't agree with the methodology and hypocrisy of associating yourself with anon past doing it just to "be cool/edgy" whatever. It's not humorous, and that's the only reason I supported it. It's not really a accomplishment of defiance. It's an accomplishment of anti-defiance. little brother dissents against big brother, i dissent against little brother. not because i like big brother, more because I don't like little brother.
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Luz said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I'm ignorant as to why paypal is the enemy. Anyone want to fill me in? Wired News Quote: “PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,” reads a statement on PayPal’s website. “We’ve notified the account holder of this action.” I think Paypal got caught behind a rock and a hard place, but faced against the US Government or Anon I think they picked the right move for them. 8hrs of down time or legal proceedings -- not much of a choice. I still support the goal of Wikileaks if not their methods. Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Luz said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: I'm ignorant as to why paypal is the enemy. Anyone want to fill me in? Wired News Quote: “PayPal has permanently restricted the account used by WikiLeaks due to a violation of the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy, which states that our payment service cannot be used for any activities that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity,” reads a statement on PayPal’s website. “We’ve notified the account holder of this action.” I think Paypal got caught behind a rock and a hard place, but faced against the US Government or Anon I think they picked the right move for them. 8hrs of down time or legal proceedings -- not much of a choice. I still support the goal of Wikileaks if not their methods. Sorry for using an obscure site though. Didn't want someone to come in here and say I linked a spun version of the story xD Ramuh.Vinvv said: yes. essentially. people became posessed to make "anonymous" some political group, I don't agree with that. If it's about tormenting people with pixels I'm fine, but I just don't agree with the methodology and hypocrisy of associating yourself with anon past doing it just to "be cool/edgy" whatever. It's not humorous, and that's the only reason I supported it. It's not really a accomplishment of defiance. It's an accomplishment of anti-defiance. little brother dissents against big brother, i dissent against little brother. not because i like big brother, more because I don't like little brother. You're a unique little snowflake.
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Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: yes. essentially. people became posessed to make "anonymous" some political group, I don't agree with that. If it's about tormenting people with pixels I'm fine, but I just don't agree with the methodology and hypocrisy of associating yourself with anon past doing it just to "be cool/edgy" whatever. It's not humorous, and that's the only reason I supported it. It's not really a accomplishment of defiance. It's an accomplishment of anti-defiance. little brother dissents against big brother, i dissent against little brother. not because i like big brother, more because I don't like little brother. You're a unique little snowflake. I'm not really. I just don't agree with it, I've been like this for years, I know people who are the same way so I don't really do it to be "unique", I do it because the current values contradict my own. this ***isn't for the lols. and that was what i was vested in back in the day, humor. not funny ***that needs to be made funny, by castrating attention *** who dub themselves "anonymous" I love how easily you can use the whole snowflake line though :D. I'm more of a lone wolf than frozen ice big guy.
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Yeah, anon has for years been divided between newfags and oldfags, the wannabes and the hardcore. But ultimately what separate them are raids and intense political courses of action online; like this.
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Asura.Catastrophe said: Holy ***. o_o; They dropped Paypal for 8 hours lol. Things are gettin' serious. They caused paypal's blog to go down for 8hrs, not paypal.
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Artemicion said: Yeah, anon has for years been divided between newfags and oldfags, the wannabes and the hardcore. But ultimately what separate them are raids and intense political courses of action online; like this. don't you mean attention-whoring? it has been divided before 4chan/anon even existed. it's just the fact that the ones who weren't in on the whole 4chan/anon deal way back when are in it now. That's the biggest difference. The Habbo Raids had a lot more heart and soul than this shyte. "anon" says this "anon" says that. when it's really [persons name says this], [persons name says that],it's not anon in the least because people want to be friends and ***. counter-culture always gradually becomes mainstream, and then you'll have the ones who notices that and become the counter-culture of the counter-culture, becoming the new counter-culture. it's a vicious cycle that repeats itself all the time man.
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Ramuh.Vinvv said: The Habbo Raids had a lot more heart and soul than this shyte. Wat? Harassing tweens in a chat interface is more meaningful than attacking associations that defy your political views and beliefs?
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Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: The Habbo Raids had a lot more heart and soul than this shyte. Wat? Harassing tweens in a chat interface is more meaningful than attacking associations that defy your political views and beliefs? only because the "anon" movement is just a big jerk-off session with a political agenda tacked on for press purposes.
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Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: The Habbo Raids had a lot more heart and soul than this shyte. Wat? Harassing tweens in a chat interface is more meaningful than attacking associations that defy your political views and beliefs? You say it like Anon is some political group.
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This is like that time the internet almost blew up ebaumsworld.
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Artemicion said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: The Habbo Raids had a lot more heart and soul than this shyte. Wat? Harassing tweens in a chat interface is more meaningful than attacking associations that defy your political views and beliefs? You say it like Anon is some political group. Remember, political groups are collections of people with a view. They technically are one.
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True, the more attention you bring to yourself as a counter-culture, the more counter-productive and contrary to purpose you become.
Ironically, remaining underground undermines one's ability to actually pull off large scale courses of influence. It's a double edged sword for either way.
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