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Teenager Whoopin for Acting Hard On Facebook (Vid)
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:26:58
Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Not spanking your kids dosnt make you more intellectually adept or morally superior to anyone.
Actually, it does. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said:
Just means you are not up for the job of doing what is required as a parent sometimes.
Totally and completely flawed logic.
Please, do not breed. Please take your own advice and do not breed. The world has plenty of pussies as it is, and we do not need anymore.
It's your type of thinking that perpetuates the nanny state ideology.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:27:26
Odin.Sinharvest said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Not spanking your kids dosnt make you more intellectually adept or morally superior to anyone.
Actually, it does. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said:
Just means you are not up for the job of doing what is required as a parent sometimes.
Totally and completely flawed logic.
Please, do not breed.
we don't always agree but I'm with you on this.
On a side note I am not saying you can't use force to prevent a child from doings something, like if a kid is about to hit you, you can move them etc. But to restrain somebody 1/3 of your size and beat them is just quite frankly barbaric.
In the video, the nephew is bigger than the uncle. he's not bigger than him, he wasn't threatening him, there was no reason to hit him, it was abuse and quite frankly assault. The guy belongs in jail.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:28:01
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Antonious said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Odin.Sinharvest said: You're talking in a loop, in that situation, how would you discipline the kid, there is no doubt in my mind this is the first time the uncle has had to deal with this. I was whooped a majority of my life, and I don't raise a hand to any of my children, what works for some dont work for others, does not make the type of punishment any less valid. I would have removed internet access, simple as that, it's not even hard to do. Child abuse isn't disciplining them, it's abuse. All it does is teach them to solve their problems through violence, it's a solution for idiots.
You see it as black or white. Child abuse if you touch him. Some other form of discipline is the only way.
In my opinion, there is a huuuuuge grey area involving discipline. My father did both. I got my TV, Nintendo, hanging outside with friends privliges taken away from me when it warrented. I also got the ***kicked out of me a few times when it was needed.
Looking back now, I think my Pop was very fair in his decisions. Sometimes the time-out/grounding method just doesn't work. Other times the *** whoopin didn't work. It depends on the kid and the infraction.
You tell a lie and get caught, like you weren't allowed out and you go out anyway when your parents are at work. You swear up, down and sideways you didn't go out but they found out, they ground you. No TV, Computer, Games or going outside for 2 weeks (or whatever).
You get caught stealing from a store. Store owner doesn't inolve the cops but tells your parents. When you get home, you get your *** whooped. Next time you go to take something, you remember getting knocked around and decide, meh...I think I'll pass.
I would never push my beliefs on anyone else. To each their own on how they want to raise their kids. This method worked for me growing up and I don't feel like I was ever abused. Every time I can remember being hit, looking back, I feel I deserved it.
As far as you saying all it does is teach violence...It doesn't mean I'm going to beat my kid every time he does something wrong. However, there are situations where I feel that a grounding just won't cut it. I hardly think it's a solution for idiots. It's a very difficult topic.
Like I said, this is just my opinion on the matter. You have a right to yours. I can agree to disagree with you. I mean you no ill-will. Please don't think this was an attack.
nope, it's a solution for idiots. I don't care how one raises their children, but I do care when their children are being abused. Just because you fail to see why it's wrong, it is still wrong. Whether or not you think it's wrong, I bet he won't be on facebook acting like a gangster anymore. who gives a ***what he does on facebook?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 11:28:10
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Odin.Sinharvest said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Not spanking your kids dosnt make you more intellectually adept or morally superior to anyone.
Actually, it does. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said:
Just means you are not up for the job of doing what is required as a parent sometimes.
Totally and completely flawed logic.
Please, do not breed.
we don't always agree but I'm with you on this.
On a side note I am not saying you can't use force to prevent a child from doings something, like if a kid is about to hit you, you can move them etc. But to restrain somebody 1/3 of your size and beat them is just quite frankly barbaric.
In the video, the nephew is bigger than the uncle. he's not bigger than him, he wasn't threatening him, there was no reason to hit him, it was abuse and quite frankly assault. The guy belongs in jail. Moron kid got what he deserved.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 11:28:24
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Antonious said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Odin.Sinharvest said: You're talking in a loop, in that situation, how would you discipline the kid, there is no doubt in my mind this is the first time the uncle has had to deal with this. I was whooped a majority of my life, and I don't raise a hand to any of my children, what works for some dont work for others, does not make the type of punishment any less valid. I would have removed internet access, simple as that, it's not even hard to do. Child abuse isn't disciplining them, it's abuse. All it does is teach them to solve their problems through violence, it's a solution for idiots.
You see it as black or white. Child abuse if you touch him. Some other form of discipline is the only way.
In my opinion, there is a huuuuuge grey area involving discipline. My father did both. I got my TV, Nintendo, hanging outside with friends privliges taken away from me when it warrented. I also got the ***kicked out of me a few times when it was needed.
Looking back now, I think my Pop was very fair in his decisions. Sometimes the time-out/grounding method just doesn't work. Other times the *** whoopin didn't work. It depends on the kid and the infraction.
You tell a lie and get caught, like you weren't allowed out and you go out anyway when your parents are at work. You swear up, down and sideways you didn't go out but they found out, they ground you. No TV, Computer, Games or going outside for 2 weeks (or whatever).
You get caught stealing from a store. Store owner doesn't inolve the cops but tells your parents. When you get home, you get your *** whooped. Next time you go to take something, you remember getting knocked around and decide, meh...I think I'll pass.
I would never push my beliefs on anyone else. To each their own on how they want to raise their kids. This method worked for me growing up and I don't feel like I was ever abused. Every time I can remember being hit, looking back, I feel I deserved it.
As far as you saying all it does is teach violence...It doesn't mean I'm going to beat my kid every time he does something wrong. However, there are situations where I feel that a grounding just won't cut it. I hardly think it's a solution for idiots. It's a very difficult topic.
Like I said, this is just my opinion on the matter. You have a right to yours. I can agree to disagree with you. I mean you no ill-will. Please don't think this was an attack.
nope, it's a solution for idiots. I don't care how one raises their children, but I do care when their children are being abused. Just because you fail to see why it's wrong, it is still wrong. Whether or not you think it's wrong, I bet he won't be on facebook acting like a gangster anymore. who gives a ***what he does on facebook? his uncle
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:28:55
To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:29:14
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bismarck.Elanabelle said:
Listen, douchebag, it IS criminal. A criminal, by definition, is someone who commits a crime.
Everyone you know is a criminal then. We've all at one point and time broken a law.
and this idiot managed to do it on camera and share it to the world
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:29:43
Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-01-07 11:30:09
All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate.
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By Leviathan.Natsuchii 2011-01-07 11:30:12
I think maybe it was for the camera in the intention of embarrassing the kid into showing his friends how much of a "gangster" he really was. It's double sided really. It's wrong that the uncle took the approach but it also pretty much did what was intended. Snap the kid straight. Or at least I'm assuming that's what happened.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:30:31
I don't get it. We've been whooping *** for years, and most of those kids turned out fine. Sure, there were some who were destined to be serial killers/rapists/thieves/etc, but that's in every society.
Now, through the means of the media and technology, the awareness of kids getting their *** handed to them is more well known.
Will I whoop my kid's *** if he/she earned it? Yes. Of course I will try other means of discipline before resorting to that. Children under the age of 7 don't care if you take away their toys. Children under 18 are materialistic enough that taking away a phone/laptop/tv will teach them.
But in the end, if other means do not reach the child, then a leather belt or a switch will do just fine. Just don't leave any marks.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:30:51
Leviathan.Natsuchii said: I think maybe it was for the camera in the intention of embarrassing the kid into showing his friends how much of a "gangster" he really was. It's double sided really. It's wrong that the uncle took the approach but it also pretty much did what was intended. Snap the kid straight. Or at least I'm assuming that's what happened.
hopefully it landed him in jail where he belongs
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By Bismarck.Antonious 2011-01-07 11:30:58
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Antonious said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Odin.Sinharvest said: You're talking in a loop, in that situation, how would you discipline the kid, there is no doubt in my mind this is the first time the uncle has had to deal with this. I was whooped a majority of my life, and I don't raise a hand to any of my children, what works for some dont work for others, does not make the type of punishment any less valid. I would have removed internet access, simple as that, it's not even hard to do. Child abuse isn't disciplining them, it's abuse. All it does is teach them to solve their problems through violence, it's a solution for idiots. You see it as black or white. Child abuse if you touch him. Some other form of discipline is the only way. In my opinion, there is a huuuuuge grey area involving discipline. My father did both. I got my TV, Nintendo, hanging outside with friends privliges taken away from me when it warrented. I also got the ***kicked out of me a few times when it was needed. Looking back now, I think my Pop was very fair in his decisions. Sometimes the time-out/grounding method just doesn't work. Other times the *** whoopin didn't work. It depends on the kid and the infraction. You tell a lie and get caught, like you weren't allowed out and you go out anyway when your parents are at work. You swear up, down and sideways you didn't go out but they found out, they ground you. No TV, Computer, Games or going outside for 2 weeks (or whatever). You get caught stealing from a store. Store owner doesn't inolve the cops but tells your parents. When you get home, you get your *** whooped. Next time you go to take something, you remember getting knocked around and decide, meh...I think I'll pass. I would never push my beliefs on anyone else. To each their own on how they want to raise their kids. This method worked for me growing up and I don't feel like I was ever abused. Every time I can remember being hit, looking back, I feel I deserved it. As far as you saying all it does is teach violence...It doesn't mean I'm going to beat my kid every time he does something wrong. However, there are situations where I feel that a grounding just won't cut it. I hardly think it's a solution for idiots. It's a very difficult topic. Like I said, this is just my opinion on the matter. You have a right to yours. I can agree to disagree with you. I mean you no ill-will. Please don't think this was an attack. nope, it's a solution for idiots. I don't care how one raises their children, but I do care when their children are being abused. Just because you fail to see why it's wrong, it is still wrong.
Man, I put a lot of time into that response to make it as non-confrontational as possible. I still got the idiot remark. I am disappoint...
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 11:31:17
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Who cares what you want to call it, it was needed, period. Kid is a *** up. Probably didn't even get a bruise from that.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:31:28
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: I don't get it. We've been whooping *** for years, and most of those kids turned out fine. Sure, there were some who were destined to be serial killers/rapists/thieves/etc, but that's in every society.
Now, through the means of the media and technology, the awareness of kids getting their *** handed to them is more well known.
Will I whoop my kid's *** if he/she earned it? Yes. Of course I will try other means of discipline before resorting to that. Children under the age of 7 don't care if you take away their toys. Children under 18 are materialistic enough that taking away a phone/laptop/tv will teach them.
But in the end, if other means do not reach the child, then a leather belt or a switch will do just fine. Just don't leave any marks.
marks or not it's still abuse
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:31:39
Leviathan.Natsuchii said: I think maybe it was for the camera in the intention of embarrassing the kid into showing his friends how much of a "gangster" he really was. It's double sided really. It's wrong that the uncle took the approach but it also pretty much did what was intended. Snap the kid straight. Or at least I'm assuming that's what happened. he definitely made that kid look like a big fool for everyone to see, which is what was intended.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-07 11:32:08
there's no arguing with Jetackuu, he calls us narrow minded and stupid when in reality he is the one who is
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:32:13
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Who cares what you want to call it, it was needed, period. Kid is a *** up. Probably didn't even get a bruise from that.
yes because he was out committing crimes, stfu
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:32:36
Bahamut.Lolserj said: there's no arguing with Jetackuu, he calls us narrow minded and stupid when in reality he is the one who is you are, and you fail to see it
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By Odin.Sinharvest 2011-01-07 11:33:14
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun
My friends father would stick me and my friend in the closest for time out when we misbehaved, gave me nightmares till I was 10, are you saying that's less severe than a couple of belts to the ***?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2011-01-07 11:33:20
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Who cares what you want to call it, it was needed, period. Kid is a *** up. Probably didn't even get a bruise from that.
yes because he was out committing crimes, stfu more likely than not
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By Bismarck.Pawnskipper 2011-01-07 11:33:27
Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-07 11:34:42
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: there's no arguing with Jetackuu, he calls us narrow minded and stupid when in reality he is the one who is you are, and you fail to see it
you fail to see how my point of view is correct so you are narrow minded and stupid
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:36:13
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: there's no arguing with Jetackuu, he calls us narrow minded and stupid when in reality he is the one who is you are, and you fail to see it
you fail to see how my point of view is correct so you are narrow minded and stupid Jeta fails harder than a kid stricken with Down Syndrome coming in last place at the Speshul Lympics.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-01-07 11:36:27
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:37:16
Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
there's no difference between abuse and spankings, spankings are abuse, and I said it teaches them violence is an answer I didn't say it DOES make them violent people, some children fortunately turn out better than their parents (me) you obviously haven't, and I feel bad for you. I'll be glad when it's finally illegal entirely for this nonsense that way barbaric people can stop abusing their children
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2011-01-07 11:38:04
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
there's no difference between abuse and spamkings, spankings are abuse, and I said it teaches them violence is an answer I didn't say it DOES make them violent people, some children fortunately turn out better than their parents (me) you obviously haven't, and I feel bad for you. I'll be glad when it's finally illegal entirely for this nonsense that way barbaric people can stop abusing their children lmfao!
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:38:34
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Gilgamesh.Tweeek said: All I'm going to say is I didn't feel that the methods the Uncle used to teach his Nephew a lesson were excessive, I feel that if it was more severe than I would say that it was inappropriate. Like if he punched him in the face, then that would be abusive.
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: To quote myself as some of you still didn't get it, read it, etc.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Saying that spanking a child is the same as real child abuse, is like saying Caesar Milan and Micheal Vick use the same methods of training a dog.
If you still don't see the flaw in your logic then I don't know what else to say.
spanking a child is child abuse, physically and mentally.
just because it's less severe doesn't make it not child abuse, that's like comparing a big gun to a small gun and saying the small one isn't a gun Comparing physical objects to methods is not the same as comparing methods to methods. Try again.
both are abuse sir, punching him would just be more blatant.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2011-01-07 11:38:53
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Bismarck.Pawnskipper said: Nothing againt Jet or Elan, but this is your argument:
-Whooping children makes them violent people (which we all know isnt true)
-Whooping children is child abuse (So is sending them to their room without food. Or any form of punishment. Its neglect. since you want to play that card)
-Whooping children causes irreversible pain (it dosnt. mental anguish is alot worse than physical. Last longer too)
-Your doing it wrong if you have to spank them.
-Whooping your child means your are not smart enough to think of anything else. (funniest one to me)
-Not whooping your kids is morally right. Cause you are bigger than that person.
You know what you guys sound like....like you belong on the Oxygen network baking cookies with Martha.
The only thing you have going for the argument is that its abuse by definition. Since, we all know that a reasonable person knows the difference between abuse and spankings; this leaves you with a lot of nothing. If you feel these misguided reasons are valid for not whooping your child....fine. But do realize that you are not doing yourself or your child any favors by turning the cheek to a milder punishment because of your desire to be on good terms with your conscience and your child. Get real.
And because you said it to another poster, I will reciprocate: Dont have kids!! They will grow to be whiny *** that believe any form of punishment is abuse.
there's no difference between abuse and spamkings, spankings are abuse, and I said it teaches them violence is an answer I didn't say it DOES make them violent people, some children fortunately turn out better than their parents (me) you obviously haven't, and I feel bad for you. I'll be glad when it's finally illegal entirely for this nonsense that way barbaric people can stop abusing their children lmfao! damn typos
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