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5-Hit Masamune
 Ragnarok.Akkarinn
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 17:43:07
Cerberus.Kelhor said: Why haste matters
Somewhat back to the topic: Ironguy, I just finished my vnm stage for masa, but my moonshade is used by other (mage) jobs. How bad is that going to suck? Going to start doing the math on sets, but was curious if you had anything for that sort of situation. Quote: So what? I'm not capped hasted. Boo-frickin-hoo. 22% Haste Pre-Kaiten, 24% Post. I don't even have a Z-Tiara. I have balance of Haste, Double Attack, Zanshin & set pieces for potential procs.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-08-08 17:44:00
Haste being important is new?
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Ragnarok.Akkarinn
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 17:44:49
Don't think anyone said it was unimportant. My other points were simply overlooked and RAWR HASTE MATTERS proceeded.
Edit: My original post was very much on topic, ofcourse that was before the heavyweight starting swinging his troll hammer around - a troll post that was subsequently deleted.
So I'll state again:
Pandemonium.Ironguy said: his justification for the belt is the conserve tp, which while it won't shave a hit off your -hit build, it does count as excess tp for the upcoming weapon skill (and in the case of fudo, picture it as about 60% of the power of the tp bonus moonshade earring, aka 6-7 more str-worth in power, plus the .1 fTP)
to me, the activation rate on conserve tp is too far in-between for it to outperform beir, but, they sure are a lot closer when you also account that the sune-ate have conserve tp as well, resulting in a 13% chance of it activating i suppose
keep in mind as well, by nature i take things in from the amano perspective, which (for now? if they adjust relics further), that additional tp does absolutely nothing for me, though, 3.0 fTP is low enough to where a .1 addition would outperform 9 str and the 6(.75) atk that comes along with it, or at least i'm pretty damn sure of it
Yeah, Ele Belt/Torque combo for Kaiten, and in fact most non-lawl Relic WSs, is the best way to go. Overall .2fTP adjustment beats pretty much any combination of gear in those slots.
Note: This was the original post.
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By Cerberus.Kelhor 2011-08-08 17:49:53
Cerberus.Eugene said: Haste being important is new?
Nope. Just seems some people didn't get the memo.
Ragnarok.Akkarinn said: So what? I'm not capped hasted. Boo-frickin-hoo. 22% Haste Pre-Kaiten, 24% Post. I don't even have a Z-Tiara. I have balance of Haste, Double Attack, Zanshin & set pieces for potential procs.
I gave you a link to math. Do you have math to back up your claim that your balance is superior? Or would you prefer to bold words that you think matter, and ignore the math?
By all means, if you have proof that your way is superior, I'm all ears; I fully realize I have a lot to learn, and will cheerfully change what I'm doing if it will be more effective.
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-08 17:59:38
Cerberus.Kelhor said: Somewhat back to the topic: Ironguy, I just finished my vnm stage for masa, but my moonshade is used by other (mage) jobs. How bad is that going to suck? Going to start doing the math on sets, but was curious if you had anything for that sort of situation.
for masamune (fudo) users, the difference is a ~11 str earring (moonshade with atk and tp bonus) against a 4 str earring (vulcan's pearl); even then, to be honest, i may be giving moonshade earring a little bit more credit than what it's due
once you account the fact that the bulk of the majority of masamune owners don't even own moonshade earring yet (or otherwise don't have augments on it for samurai), you're not essentially "behind" by any means
pair that with the fact that not everyone's elvaan either (in the case of a taru, they're already permanently a full 10 str behind), and well, let's just say it certainly won't, nor should it stop you from playing samurai in situations where the job excels these days
Ragnarok.Akkarinn
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 18:03:33
Did you notice at any point that I said my way was superior? If I did, feel free to quote.
That was my point: Capping Haste is NOT the be-all-and-end-all for SAM. I've never said capping haste was a waste of time, nor have I even said that capping Haste wasn't worth it.
You sent me a link to math about Double Attack versus Haste(which by the way I've already seen but thanks all the same!). My request was "for this particular situation". The situation being 90 SAM. Taking into account: Haste, Double Attack, Zanshin, Hassoshin and Set Procs. While also showing that capped haste versus what I choose to do is "laughable".
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-08 18:05:46
Ragnarok.Akkarinn said: That was my point: Capping Haste is NOT the be-all-and-end-all for SAM.
if ffxiah.com had forum signatures, you would've just made your way into mine
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 18:08:18
Wish I could say I'd be flattered, sadly I'm not.
Funny really, most sigs like that I see, I think to myself. Ah yes, yet another troll taking a quote out of context.
I would be right about this one.
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2011-08-08 18:49:13
Haste takes time to proc though...
In all seriousness, screw Unkai Kabuto. Get a Zelus Tiara, yo.
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By Carbuncle.Sevourn 2011-08-08 18:50:03
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said: Haste takes time to proc though...
In all seriousness, screw Unkai Kabuto. Get a Zelus Tiara, yo.
yeah, get a zelus tiara, OH WAIT
:p
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By Carbuncle.Virtuosus 2011-08-08 18:50:56
Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Carbuncle.Virtuosus said: Haste takes time to proc though...
In all seriousness, screw Unkai Kabuto. Get a Zelus Tiara, yo.
yeah, get a zelus tiara, OH WAIT
:p
HEY, I'm trying to skill up my blue proc weapons...
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-08 19:03:42
Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Ragnarok.Akkarinn said: That was my point: Capping Haste is NOT the be-all-and-end-all for SAM.
if ffxiah.com had forum signatures, you would've just made your way into mine I'd have more quotes than posts if that was the case.
Ragnarok.Akkarinn
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 19:05:49
Carbuncle.Virtuosus said: Haste takes time to proc though...
In all seriousness, screw Unkai Kabuto. Get a Zelus Tiara, yo.
If they give us some decent upgrades on Usu Feet, which I pray they don't give us the Synergy BS for, I won't need it anyway!
Bring on:
Usukane Sune-Ate
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 32 Accuracy +10 Attack +10
Store TP +10
Haste +4% Enmity +8
Set: Enhances Haste effect
Lv. 95 MNK / SAM / NIN / PUP
Becoming...
Usukane Sune-Ate
[Feet] All Races
DEF: 35 Accuracy +12 Attack +12
Store TP +12
Haste +5% Enmity +10
Set: Enhances Haste effect
Lv. 99 MNK / SAM / NIN / PUP
Wet dream? Perhaps...
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By Pandemonium.Ironguy 2011-08-08 19:19:03
that doesn't change the present, where zelus tiara with kaiten aftermath up is clearly the superior choice
not that i haven't already been mentioning usukane sune-ate magian trial augments for like two weeks now or anything
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Ragnarok.Akkarinn
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By Ragnarok.Akkarinn 2011-08-08 19:30:45
Pandemonium.Ironguy said: not that i haven't already been mentioning usukane sune-ate magian trial augments for like two weeks now or anything
Which means...
...absolutely nothing.
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By Ragnarok.Gunit 2011-08-08 20:00:20
Why does everyone from Ragnarok troll?
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-08 20:10:08
what, really? already? :(
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-08 20:10:29
Asura.Dajociont said: what, really? already? :( They've both been topicbanned. Let it go.
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-08 20:11:44
can't even have fun puns anymore! you're no fun
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2011-08-08 20:12:32
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By Asura.Dajociont 2011-08-08 20:16:12
this calls for some dyer's eve
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Carbuncle.Xenhas
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2011-08-08 20:16:42
bahhhh! I npc some stuff, come back to this thread, and all the good stuff is deleted. D:
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By Sylph.Kimble 2011-08-08 20:16:44
Ohai wahts going on in here?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-08-08 20:37:04
Sylph.Kimble said: Ohai wahts going on in here? nothing anymore :(
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2011-08-08 20:41:47
Sylph.Kimble said: Ohai wahts going on in here?
Everyone's chilling.
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Howdy peepz. Being the lovely and knowledgeable bunch my fellow Samurai are, I have a quick question regarding, as the title suggests, a 5-hit Masamune build. Here's the scoop: I'm not very well funded (I barely scrape by in the gil depot) and I have a great group of friends who I can farm gear and complete missions with.
I'm looking to optimize a 5-hit build with a WS macro-in set (no set post because that's not what the thread is about :P) that we will assume gives 16tp and a Masamune v85.
This is what I have right now. I really want to work in Ace's gloves, but I really dislike the -4/-4 str/dex of the Hoard ring. I also am working towards a Tathlum, and an earring which i would also enjoy input on (looking at WotG augmented earring).
Thanks a million.
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