Valefor.Prothescar said:
I'm curious as to why you guys opt to use Twilight over varangian.
5-Hit Masamune
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5-Hit Masamune
Is not an issue on Fudo.
Valefor.Prothescar said: Is not an issue on Fudo.
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No, no it won't. You're going to have occasional misses on 1-hit weaponskills, they're only one hit. It always seems like you miss more often when, in reality, you have a capped hit rate.
Bahamut.Vagrua said: Valefor.Prothescar said: Is not an issue on Fudo.
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I really doubt you have 95% acc outside abyssea in new events. I don't *** around with abyssea-onry sets, and if I'm on abyssea on SAM it's only 'cause we have a lot of people at the event and the leader's letting me *** around with fudo. Anything where my presence actually matters, I'm on something that is more meaningful in abyssea.
So, acc-20 matters to me in my WS set. Valefor.Prothescar said: No, no it won't. You're going to have occasional misses on 1-hit weaponskills, they're only one hit. It always seems like you miss more often when, in reality, you have a capped hit rate. Sylph.Zefyr said: I really doubt you have 95% acc outside abyssea in new events. I don't *** around with abyssea-onry sets, and if I'm on abyssea on SAM it's only 'cause we have a lot of people at the event and the leader's letting me *** around with fudo. Anything where my presence actually matters, I'm on something that is more meaningful in abyssea. So, acc-20 matters to me in my WS set. You know that Fudo gets a massive accuracy bonus, right?
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Valefor.Prothescar said: You know that first hit of any WS gets a massive accuracy bonus, right? Valefor.Prothescar said: You know that Fudo gets a massive accuracy bonus, right?
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I had not heard that, and don't see any reference to it on wikia or the bg wiki. Source?
Edit: I had heard that about the first hit (just nothing about Fudo specifically), but it's still true that outside abyssea, giving up a couple STR to avoid losing 20 acc makes sense to me. Bahamut.Vagrua said: Valefor.Prothescar said: You know that Fudo gets a massive accuracy bonus, right?
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prothescar hit the nail on the head for masamune users basically, bar tp back piece, which i'd still use atheling mantle over unkai sugemino for, even with hasso up, but even then, many of us were debating the utility of it over atheling mantle pre-testing of [ikishoten] hasso zanshin's frequency
actually on that note, i do believe for fudo, justice torque is the best weapon skill neck, though al'taieu gorgets are a fine filler regardless Fenrir.Nightfyre said: The main hit is not going to miss any more or less because of acc-20 or even a Blind Potion. What, are you trying to claim that ACC plays no part whatsoever in how likely the first hit of a WS is to land? BS. In abyssea, the massive DEX we have makes this effectively true, but not so much outside abyssea. Acc bonus on WSs or not, you *can* miss more than 5% of the time, and if you stack too much -ACC that will be more likely on highly evasive mobs.
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Sylph.Zefyr said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: The main hit is not going to miss any more or less because of acc-20 or even a Blind Potion. What, are you trying to claim that ACC plays no part whatsoever in how likely the first hit of a WS is to land? BS. In abyssea, the massive DEX we have makes this effectively true, but not so much outside abyssea. Acc bonus on WSs or not, you *can* miss more than 5% of the time, and if you stack too much -ACC that will be more likely on highly evasive mobs. Sylph.Zefyr said: capped weapon skill accuracy only works 95% of the time lol Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Sylph.Zefyr said: capped weapon skill accuracy only works 95% of the time lol
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i missed twice in a row, that means that my accuracy is uncapped right?
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: The original testing (and at least some follow-up testing, I know I can dig up testing using Kaiten and Catastrophe without much trouble) was performed on THF mobs while using Blind Potions (acc-256). Would you like to retract your statement? I would love to see this testing. Maybe you can point to them doing such testing on something relevant like a high level voidwatch NM? Ramuh.Austar said: Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Sylph.Zefyr said: capped weapon skill accuracy only works 95% of the time lol why must you beat me to the best comment there possible!? Sylph.Zefyr said: I would love to see this testing. Maybe you can point to them doing such testing on something relevant like a high level voidwatch NM? did you only start playing ffxi in 2010 at the earliest serious question Sylph.Zefyr said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: The original testing (and at least some follow-up testing, I know I can dig up testing using Kaiten and Catastrophe without much trouble) was performed on THF mobs while using Blind Potions (acc-256). Would you like to retract your statement? I would love to see this testing. Maybe you can point to them doing such testing on something relevant like a high level voidwatch NM? I'll find the Kaiten/Cata data at least, give me a bit. Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Sylph.Zefyr said: capped weapon skill accuracy only works 95% of the time lol I'm not sure what you're getting at here. That's not a real quote so I'm left thinking you're claiming that capped WS acc is different from capped melee acc? If that's true, it's news to me. Pandemonium.Ironguy said: Sylph.Zefyr said: I would love to see this testing. Maybe you can point to them doing such testing on something relevant like a high level voidwatch NM? did you only start playing ffxi in 2010 at the earliest serious question Ofc not. I've been playing for years. I normally avoid arguments like this because of people like you getting all uppity when someone doesn't know 100% of everything about FFXI. If it's really actually true that you can *completely* disregard accuracy for Fudo, then I'm happy to learn that and adjust my WS set. I just want to see some actual testing instead of a bunch of people going on about how everybody knows A is true and you're an idiot if you don't agree. It's been common knowledge for years.
single-hit weapon skills receiving is absurdly large accuracy boost is old, old, OLD news chief
we're talking like, early '06, at the latest nightfyre will find it momentarily, because rest assured there has been at least one or two truly-worthwhile testing threads on the matter; i'd go look myself as well, but he's already got the leg up on me here |
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