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By Solrain 2012-04-03 08:44:44  
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By Bahamut.Illyst 2012-04-03 09:20:39  
Ogiers legs vs bale +2?
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By Lakshmi.Alryc 2012-04-03 09:38:38  
I use Bale +2 unless I'm using Souleater, then I swap to Ogier's.

Abyssea is Ogier's on all Resolutions, I'd think.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 09:52:54  
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I use Bale +2 unless I'm using Souleater, then I swap to Ogier's. Abyssea is Ogier's on all Resolutions, I'd think.

Bale+2 with or without SE. Ogier's pulls ahead if you need the 5acc to improve your hit rate.

Not sure on abyssea but I would guess Ogier's as well.
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-04-03 11:03:39  
Fine fine, peer pressure making me trade in my Regain earring :(.

I'll make a spellcast rule to TP in Bale Choker when below 50% MP and Mala's or Rancor's if not I guess.

Thanx for the tips. I was kinda worried I was way off base since every drk tp set I see has Bale+2 Head/body/hands.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-04-03 12:37:47  
Moreso a product of accessibility than anything else I'd guess, kind of like the Zelus/AF3+2/AF3+2 build for WAR.

Anyone have any LR + Embrava sets to share? 5-6/tic regain should have some impact on STP needs, though situations like Neo-Nyzul are a tossup vs standard builds given low mob HP and the amount of running around you do. What I'm currently considering is a toggle that would switch between using Embrava or March-type sets in full buff situations; you could simply toggle over to the March sets in Nyzul if you're so inclined instead of being forced to use the Embrava sets.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 12:47:48  
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Fine fine, peer pressure making me trade in my Regain earring :(. I'll make a spellcast rule to TP in Bale Choker when below 50% MP and Mala's or Rancor's if not I guess. Thanx for the tips. I was kinda worried I was way off base since every drk tp set I see has Bale+2 Head/body/hands.


Until you have Nyzul 100 gear, Bale Hands/Head are a very solid piece. The body is pretty garbage for a standard TP piece yet DRKs love to rock it.
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-04-03 12:59:23  
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Until you have Nyzul 100 gear, Bale Hands/Head are a very solid piece. The body is pretty garbage for a standard TP piece yet DRKs love to rock it.
I'm confused, I thought the body was near the best TP piece you could get for mobs that you didn't need accuracy. I can understand once the new gear becomes more obtainable that having haste in your body slot might not be the best idea, but the only other options I really see are Armadaberk (pretty expensive), Valkyrie (very very hard to get), or Phory (very very very hard to get). Am I missing something?

Edit: I just realized you may be saying that Armada body is pretty garbage, although I honestly am having trouble telling.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 15:16:34  
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Until you have Nyzul 100 gear, Bale Hands/Head are a very solid piece. The body is pretty garbage for a standard TP piece yet DRKs love to rock it.
I'm confused, I thought the body was near the best TP piece you could get for mobs that you didn't need accuracy. I can understand once the new gear becomes more obtainable that having haste in your body slot might not be the best idea, but the only other options I really see are Armadaberk (pretty expensive), Valkyrie (very very hard to get), or Phory (very very very hard to get). Am I missing something? Edit: I just realized you may be saying that Armada body is pretty garbage, although I honestly am having trouble telling.


Thats the catch 22, if you are capping ACC you are probably capping attack on DRK. There are definitely uses for the body to cap haste but its typically on fodder content where it doesn't really matter. The second you need any ACC the body drops off the deep end.

@Nightfyre - I've been meaning to make VW sets for capped magic haste + valiant and nyzul sets. We are gearing a 2nd SCH for our Nyzul SP, so those sets will be critical. I'll post them when done.
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-04-03 15:32:18  
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Until you have Nyzul 100 gear, Bale Hands/Head are a very solid piece. The body is pretty garbage for a standard TP piece yet DRKs love to rock it.
I'm confused, I thought the body was near the best TP piece you could get for mobs that you didn't need accuracy. I can understand once the new gear becomes more obtainable that having haste in your body slot might not be the best idea, but the only other options I really see are Armadaberk (pretty expensive), Valkyrie (very very hard to get), or Phory (very very very hard to get). Am I missing something? Edit: I just realized you may be saying that Armada body is pretty garbage, although I honestly am having trouble telling.


Thats the catch 22, if you are capping ACC you are probably capping attack on DRK. There are definitely uses for the body to cap haste but its typically on fodder content where it doesn't really matter. The second you need any ACC the body drops off the deep end.
If you are capping attack all of the options become pretty terrible and once again, there's basically no good Drk bodies besides +2 that are easy to get. If bale+2 is bad, what would you recomend most drks use?
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By GraddHelian 2012-04-03 15:47:30  
ace's mail and Ogier's surcoat would both ***on Bale body i'd assume if your having ACC issues. Ace's has a fairly high drop rate doesnt it?
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 15:47:42  
I thought bale+2 setup for ragnarok was pretty standard until you get nyzul gear. I don't see how it could be considered "bad". In fact, how did you go about capping haste if you were using bale head+2 and no nyzul gear then? Also, you can cap acc. far easier than you can cap atk. Fighting jeuno/zilart T3 and don't want to waste gil on good food, etc. An ace's/ogier set is almost pointless for most of VW with access to stalwart's/aggressor/diabolic eye/dark seal absorb acc.
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-04-03 15:50:02  
GraddHelian said: »
ace's mail and Ogier's surcoat would both ***on Bale body i'd assume if your having ACC issues. Ace's has a fairly high drop rate doesnt it?
Not talking about when you need accuracy.
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By GraddHelian 2012-04-03 15:51:09  
This was the ideal build Pre-Nyzul for a Rag DRK in VW that Returner and Taint came up with. Bale body you'd still be having ACC issues.

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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-04-03 15:52:15  
That set looks gross.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 15:52:26  
Completely false, as you won't be having acc issues outside of a few mobs and only without acc buffs up.
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By GraddHelian 2012-04-03 15:54:14  
I'd find the thread again, its in a Rag Vs. Apoc discussion somewhere but I have to go to work! So hopefully Taint will answer sometime x:
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By GraddHelian 2012-04-03 15:55:42  
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That set looks gross.

Inorite Brutals in the wrong ear :(
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 15:58:57  
The only fights that I go below capped acc on outside of the newer T2 stuff/provinence without buffs up are ig-alima, botulus rex, and the beetle NM. Before recently getting nyzul gear, I used a rag/pole/bomb core/bale+2/Mala/bale/brutal/bale+2/tyrant's/rajas/atheling/phasmida/calmecac/ace's setup. Can't really think of anything major(before nyzul gear) that would have been better. Obviously swap in acc gear for the more evasive fights(beetle)/when buffs dropped(ig-alima/rex), but an acc based set is hardly better for most fights.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 16:07:14  
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The only fights that I go below capped acc on outside of the newer T2 stuff/provinence without buffs up are ig-alima, botulus rex, and the beetle NM. Before recently getting nyzul gear, I used a rag/pole/bomb core/bale+2/Mala/bale/brutal/bale+2/tyrant's/rajas/atheling/phasmida/calmecac/ace's setup. Can't really think of anything major(before nyzul gear) that would have been better. Obviously swap in acc gear for the more evasive fights(beetle)/when buffs dropped(ig-alima/rex), but an acc based set is hardly better for most fights.


***. Any T6 mob or higher will give you ACC problems. Also remember most DRK don't have the 35-40acc from Relics making ACC even more important. Equiping ACC is critical for any DRK.

rag/pole/bomb core/bale+2/Mala/bale/brutal/bale+2/tyrant's/rajas/atheling/phasmida/calmecac/ace's setup

LOL
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 16:10:41  
You really are an idiot sometimes. I'll dig up my parses tomorrow, currently posting from my phone. I can say for certain there were no acc issues whatsoever, and if there are you have the option to use diabolic eye or absorb acc(which is often neglected entirely). A drk without Apoc/Ragnarok would likely need a more acc oriented set for some NMs, sure.
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-04-03 16:12:30  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
The only fights that I go below capped acc on outside of the newer T2 stuff/provinence without buffs up are ig-alima, botulus rex, and the beetle NM. Before recently getting nyzul gear, I used a rag/pole/bomb core/bale+2/Mala/bale/brutal/bale+2/tyrant's/rajas/atheling/phasmida/calmecac/ace's setup. Can't really think of anything major(before nyzul gear) that would have been better. Obviously swap in acc gear for the more evasive fights(beetle)/when buffs dropped(ig-alima/rex), but an acc based set is hardly better for most fights.


***. Any T6 mob or higher will give you ACC problems. Also remember most DRK don't have the 35-40acc from Relics making ACC even more important. Equiping ACC is critical for any DRK.

rag/pole/bomb core/bale+2/Mala/bale/brutal/bale+2/tyrant's/rajas/atheling/phasmida/calmecac/ace's setup

LOL

I LOL'd from this statement.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-04-03 16:19:03  
And you all wonder why I prod Relic owners for their sketchy 'Build Acc, eat meat' testimonies.

Non-relic just eats Pizza when needed. Problem solved.

If you're having acc problems but are still eating RC/RCB/YCB, you are an moran. Get your Attack fix by going /WAR and take the >40 acc from pizza.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 16:21:39  
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
You really are an idiot sometimes. I'll dig up my parses tomorrow, currently posting from my phone. I can say for certain there were no acc issues whatsoever, and if there are you have the option to use diabolic eye or absorb acc(which is often neglected entirely). A drk without Apoc/Ragnarok would likely need a more acc oriented set for some NMs, sure.


I look forward to the parses.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 16:24:22  
In the mean time, mind posting a set without nyzul gear that is vastly better than that one while capped acc? Even you should realize that anything Jeuno3/zilartT3 or lower will be capped acc for certain.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2012-04-03 16:30:43  
I agree that Taint is going a little hard with the Acc-or-GTFO stance. Building for two mobs in the whole game is wasteful of time (spellcast writing) and resources (macro slots for set changes or w/e).
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-04-03 16:35:58  
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
In the mean time, mind posting a set without nyzul gear that is vastly better than that one while capped acc? Even you should realize that anything Jeuno3/zilartT3 or lower will be capped acc for certain.

If im correct your setup /war gives you... 15 STP? and that means your working with a 8hit rag build? D:
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 16:40:00  
Voidwatch. Coercion and monarch's drink. /sam if not voidwatch for a 7hit, and obviously using nyzul gear for a 6hit now.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-04-03 16:40:14  
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
I agree that Taint is going a little hard with the Acc-or-GTFO stance. Building for two mobs in the whole game is wasteful of time (spellcast writing) and resources (macro slots for set changes or w/e).


And giving up 100 att for 40 acc is a good move? (pizza vs curry)

I'm not saying ACC or GTFO out, I'm against the noACC or -ACC builds that keep popping up. I also don't believe in one gear set.
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-04-03 16:41:31  
Multiple gear sets is a must imo, but for the majority of content, you will rarely need excess acc gear in your tp set. Adjust set according to content/buffs.
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