Drk Resolution GS / Builds
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Drk Resolution GS / Builds
Cerb +1 > atheling ?? Serious question
Ragnarok.Evihime said: » Why rose strap? u reach 5 hit with that? Is almost the same I was thinkin on btw, u got herja yet? :o did it drop alrdy? 5-hits assuming only brutal and rajas in ws. I also always assume at least 1 hit of a multi-hit will miss. The set also assumes no regain or stp from outside sources (you could make different variables for those).
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Hmmm I think I'm going to test both of them on either Bismark or PW Caturaes.
An explanation is in order: The +WSdmg on Ogier legs and quite a few other newish pieces only applies to the first hit, so really it's more like +0.6%.
If mostly starting from scratch on DRK, what would be good base sets for TP and WS (I assume Resolution is the way to go - DRK would be mostly for NNI)...
Gear I have that might be of use: Rajas, Brutal, Aesir, Rancor Neck/Back, Justiciar's, Atheling, Anguinus, Ganesha's Mask, Heafoc Mitts, Ogier's Breeches, Dilaram's Sollerets, Houyi's Gorget, Varangian Helm, Bale Head +2, lolSwiftBelt Not sure how much of that would be useful for a DRK TP or WS set... but just looking for some ideas. Nothing exorbitant, however. Mostly just looking for a reasonably obtainable setup with minimal timesinks. Asura.Yoyou said: » Hmmm I think I'm going to test both of them on either Bismark or PW Caturaes. Nothing to test. Its 12str 4att vs 5 acc 3%wsdmg (1st hit only) The only that competes with Bale+2 is whirlwind dires and thats only when acc and att are capped. Cerberus.Taint said: » Asura.Yoyou said: » Hmmm I think I'm going to test both of them on either Bismark or PW Caturaes. Nothing to test. Its 12str 4att vs 5 acc 5%wsdmg (1st hit only) The only that competes with Bale+2 is whirlwind dires and thats only when acc and att are capped. To my knowledge Ogier's were 3%. Even with Bale +2 outside of VWNM accuracy during WS is never capped , unless something between agg/food/DE is up , you would still miss a 7-6.5 acc during ws, accounted 8/8 merits acc and 120 dex during ws. Apparently Cerb+1 isn't worth it , even with Ogier's. Bismarck.Yor said: » Cerberus.Taint said: » Asura.Yoyou said: » Hmmm I think I'm going to test both of them on either Bismark or PW Caturaes. Nothing to test. Its 12str 4att vs 5 acc 5%wsdmg (1st hit only) The only that competes with Bale+2 is whirlwind dires and thats only when acc and att are capped. To my knowledge Ogier's were 3%. Even with Bale +2 outside of VWNM accuracy during WS is never capped , unless something between agg/food/DE is up , you would still miss a 7-6.5 acc during ws, accounted 8/8 merits acc and 120 dex during ws. Apparently Cerb+1 isn't worth it , even with Ogier's. Bale+2 is always > Ogier's. If ACC isn't capped there are much better solotions then cutting out 12str. DRK of all job has little ACC issues on any content with proper food, buffs, gear and use of 3 ACC boosting JAs.
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Cerberus.Taint said: » Bale+2 is always > Ogier's. If ACC isn't capped there are much better solotions then cutting out 12str. DRK of all job has little ACC issues on any content with proper food, buffs, gear and use of 3 ACC boosting JAs. As Taru sitting on 1470hp DE isn't an option , same applies for SE with GS, I never use/rely on them unless I've a whm from the ls in my party. Bismarck.Yor said: » Cerberus.Taint said: » Bale+2 is always > Ogier's. If ACC isn't capped there are much better solotions then cutting out 12str. DRK of all job has little ACC issues on any content with proper food, buffs, gear and use of 3 ACC boosting JAs. As Taru sitting on 1470hp DE isn't an option , same applies for SE with GS, I never use/rely on them unless I've a whm from the ls in my party. Still doesn't change the fact that Ogier's are NEVER better then Bale+2. The 5acc is easily made up in other gear swaps if it is that important. I personally go with Twilight Helm, Ace's Mail, Heafoc Mitts, Whirlwind Dirs, Bale Sollerets +1, Beir Belt, Bale Choker, Brutal Earring, Bushinomimi, Spiral/Rajas Ring, and Fracas Grenade.
Usually pull anywhere from 3.5-5k in Aby, and around 2-3k outside. Get ele gorget\belt now.
And Mekira-oto. Cerberus.Kvazz said: » Get ele gorget\belt now. And Mekira-oto. Which gorget/belt is it for Reso? :x I have snow gorget/belt, and thunder/light belt as well. Need to buy that helm again lol. Cerberus.Cloudkiller said: » I personally go with Twilight Helm, Ace's Mail, Heafoc Mitts, Whirlwind Dirs, Bale Sollerets +1, Beir Belt, Bale Choker, Brutal Earring, Bushinomimi, Spiral/Rajas Ring, and Fracas Grenade. Usually pull anywhere from 3.5-5k in Aby, and around 2-3k outside. Twilight -> Mekira (+1) (huge increase on proc days) Ace's -> good until Phorcys Heafoc ok but should have Avant+1/Phorcys as well (acc) Whirlwind -> Bale+2 Bale soll+1 -> Dilaram's Beir -> Breeze belt (huge increase here) Bale choker -> breeze gorget (huge increase again) Bushinomimi -> TP bonus moonshade (big increase) Spiral -> Pyrosoul Raja -> Pyrosoul (xhit/acc could make raja useful, more then likely not) fTP transfers on Resolution, tweak your build accordingly. Cerberus.Taint said: » Cerberus.Cloudkiller said: » I personally go with Twilight Helm, Ace's Mail, Heafoc Mitts, Whirlwind Dirs, Bale Sollerets +1, Beir Belt, Bale Choker, Brutal Earring, Bushinomimi, Spiral/Rajas Ring, and Fracas Grenade. Usually pull anywhere from 3.5-5k in Aby, and around 2-3k outside. Twilight -> Mekira (+1) (huge increase on proc days) Ace's -> good until Phorcys Heafoc ok but should have Avant+1/Phorcys as well (acc) Whirlwind -> Bale+2 Bale soll+1 -> Dilaram's Beir -> Breeze belt (huge increase here) Bale choker -> breeze gorget (huge increase again) Bushinomimi -> TP bonus moonshade (big increase) Spiral -> Pyrosoul Raja -> Pyrosoul (xhit/acc could make raja useful, more then likely not) fTP transfers on Resolution, tweak your build accordingly. Yeah, I need to get that helm back. I dont have a group for Neo-Nyzul, cause I've been eyeing the crap out of the Phorcys stuff. No Bale+2 legs yet. Have Dilaram's, but wouldnt the crit rate-8% hurt it? Breeze for Reso? Ok, ill work on that one. Just got Moonshade with attack/regain ;; I was wrestling with getting the TP Bonus+ too lol Damnit. And yeah, I know I need to upgrade my Spiral to Pyrosoul. Thanks for the tips. :) Resolution doesn't crit, so no, Dilaram's doesn't hurt.
EDIT: Ditch the regain moonshade earring. Cerberus.Tikal said: » Resolution doesn't crit, so no, Dilaram's doesn't hurt. Ahh, ok. No wonder it was seeming like RR wasn't helping it any in Aby. lol There goes that thought. WSs can't crit unless critical hits are in their description. Rampage, Raging Rush, Ukko's Fury, Victory Smite, Drakesbane, etc.
Cerberus.Tikal said: » WSs can't crit unless critical hits are in their description. Rampage, Raging Rush, Ukko's Fury, Victory Smite, Drakesbane, etc. Yeah....You would think having been playing since july '05, I would know that.... lol No need to use RR on DRK in Aby anymore then. ^^ Cerberus.Cloudkiller said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » WSs can't crit unless critical hits are in their description. Rampage, Raging Rush, Ukko's Fury, Victory Smite, Drakesbane, etc. Yeah....You would think having been playing since july '05, I would know that.... lol No need to use RR on DRK in Aby anymore then. ^^ RR is still one of the best atmas for any DD, so still use it. It just isn't helping your WS damage at all. (acc aside) And yes drop the regain moonshade and redo the fight. Regain moonshade is pretty terrible.
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Cerberus.Taint said: » Cerberus.Cloudkiller said: » Cerberus.Tikal said: » WSs can't crit unless critical hits are in their description. Rampage, Raging Rush, Ukko's Fury, Victory Smite, Drakesbane, etc. Yeah....You would think having been playing since july '05, I would know that.... lol No need to use RR on DRK in Aby anymore then. ^^ RR is still one of the best atmas for any DD, so still use it. It just isn't helping your WS damage at all. (acc aside) And yes drop the regain moonshade and redo the fight. Regain moonshade is pretty terrible. Bleh, I thought as much. I just figured the Regain was the better option. Figured the +25 bonus wasnt worth it unless you had one of the +100 weapons. Regain is negated by proper X-hit builds. If the regain processed while you weren't engaged (it doesn't), then you'd have an argument, but as it is, it's just minor overflow TP. It'd have to proc 25 times for it to be as strong as the TP bonus earring... and it doesn't proc near anywhere that number of times from 0-100% TP. Three-four times at most, and in high buff situations, one-to-two.
Cerberus.Tikal said: » Regain is negated by proper X-hit builds. If the regain processed while you weren't engaged (it doesn't), then you'd have an argument, but as it is, it's just minor overflow TP. It'd have to proc 25 times for it to be as strong as the TP bonus earring... and that's far to infrequently. Hmm, you have a point. Didnt think of it that way.... I'll have to recruit one of the BSTs in my LS to solo the fight for me lol. Cerberus.Tikal said: » Regain is negated by proper X-hit builds. If the regain processed while you weren't engaged (it doesn't), then you'd have an argument, but as it is, it's just minor overflow TP. It'd have to proc 25 times for it to be as strong as the TP bonus earring... and it doesn't proc near anywhere that number of times from 0-100% TP. Three-four times at most, and in high buff situations, one-to-two. If you can complete an X-hit with the regain it has a more potent use, but I wouldn't trade it, at least not with my job selections. Is there something else I left out?
No, but saying it has to go through 25 ticks to be equal is way off base. Regain is still inferior in any realistic situation.
It wasn't a spot-on-accurate analogy, sure, but it conveyed the point of inferiority in an easily understandable context.
Yeah....Maybe I can get the same guy i re-did my earring with to help me again.
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