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Borealis on DRK
 Quetzalcoatl.Generic
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-25 15:35:42
its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage
Thats a joke right?
Its a excellent GS, but its not touching either Relic. Apoc is DRKs most damaging weapon if you know what your doing. Rag is a close second. 
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-25 19:09:28
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage Thats a joke right? Its a excellent GS, but its not touching either Relic. Apoc is DRKs most damaging weapon if you know what your doing. Rag is a close second.
Actually I mathed it out, Rag is a slight winner, but its not ROFL. Esp on harder fights like Ig Apoc has huge advantages when it comes to hit rate and only needing 6% in gear haste to cap.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-25 19:30:45
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage Thats a joke right? Its a excellent GS, but its not touching either Relic. Apoc is DRKs most damaging weapon if you know what your doing. Rag is a close second.
Actually I mathed it out, Rag is a slight winner, but its not ROFL. Esp on harder fights like Ig Apoc has huge advantages when it comes to hit rate and only needing 6% in gear haste to cap. How . . What . . Where are you getting 6% in gear haste from ?
With what buffs ? because like uh. I usually have double march from Gjall and a haste which with LR and that caps delay with 13% gear haste. If you were to have Apoc and Cata's AM up that would allow you to only need 3% from gear. Idk where you got 6%. maybe you forgot a 1 >.>;
But yea, Rag is a bit more than a slight winner when it comes to DDing. A difference of Apoc: 102.6 capped delay and Rag: 86.2 capped delay, 20% crit rate from Rag alone w/ AM up and Resolution make it a bit over the top when it comes to DDing. Apoc is great for it's utility but I believe we've been over this
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By Odin.Eikechi 2012-01-25 20:26:29
Since y'all are talkin about Apoc, isn't the Liberator still the hands down best weapon for drk?
 Phoenix.Fredjan
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By Phoenix.Fredjan 2012-01-25 20:40:29
whats the difference in dex between mithra and everyone else at 99? Somehow people missed this, but, regardless of the difference, extra stats from races shouldn't do much.
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:43:59
whats the difference in dex between mithra and everyone else at 99? Somehow people missed this, but, regardless of the difference, extra stats from races shouldn't do much.
Not true at all. if 10 dex can be a 3-4% dmg increase for that sword than my 15+ more dex on my mithra over an elvaan should do a bit. (idk how much my 99drks base dex is)
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-25 20:56:07
Since y'all are talkin about Apoc, isn't the Liberator still the hands down best weapon for drk?
Yes.
Ragnarok.Returner
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-26 08:15:28
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »whats the difference in dex between mithra and everyone else at 99? Somehow people missed this, but, regardless of the difference, extra stats from races shouldn't do much. Not true at all. if 10 dex can be a 3-4% dmg increase for that sword than my 15+ more dex on my mithra over an elvaan should do a bit. (idk how much my 99drks base dex is)
Then your elvaan should WS harder with the extra STR no?
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Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-26 13:06:08
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage Thats a joke right? Its a excellent GS, but its not touching either Relic. Apoc is DRKs most damaging weapon if you know what your doing. Rag is a close second. Actually I mathed it out, Rag is a slight winner, but its not ROFL. Esp on harder fights like Ig Apoc has huge advantages when it comes to hit rate and only needing 6% in gear haste to cap. How . . What . . Where are you getting 6% in gear haste from ? With what buffs ? because like uh. I usually have double march from Gjall and a haste which with LR and that caps delay with 13% gear haste. If you were to have Apoc and Cata's AM up that would allow you to only need 3% from gear. Idk where you got 6%. maybe you forgot a 1 >.>; But yea, Rag is a bit more than a slight winner when it comes to DDing. A difference of Apoc: 102.6 capped delay and Rag: 86.2 capped delay, 20% crit rate from Rag alone w/ AM up and Resolution make it a bit over the top when it comes to DDing. Apoc is great for it's utility but I believe we've been over this
Its slight, very slight and sometimes behind esp when Rag DRKs use stupid gear sets on T6 VW. (AF3+2 x5 for example)
Leviathan.Phenomena
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By Leviathan.Phenomena 2012-01-26 13:09:10
Ragnarok.Returner said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »whats the difference in dex between mithra and everyone else at 99? Somehow people missed this, but, regardless of the difference, extra stats from races shouldn't do much. Not true at all. if 10 dex can be a 3-4% dmg increase for that sword than my 15+ more dex on my mithra over an elvaan should do a bit. (idk how much my 99drks base dex is)
Then your elvaan should WS harder with the extra STR no?
yes. but he would miss hits with his lower dex on resolution because its a multihit :P might even out. lol
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-26 13:12:21
true xD
By volkom 2012-01-26 13:37:02
Ragnarok.Returner said: »Leviathan.Phenomena said: »whats the difference in dex between mithra and everyone else at 99? Somehow people missed this, but, regardless of the difference, extra stats from races shouldn't do much. Not true at all. if 10 dex can be a 3-4% dmg increase for that sword than my 15+ more dex on my mithra over an elvaan should do a bit. (idk how much my 99drks base dex is)
Then your elvaan should WS harder with the extra STR no? just don't miss.
btw
How good is the OAT greatsword? I'm making one right now and i want to make sure i'm not wasting my time
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By Phoenix.Twiste 2012-01-26 13:38:55
Quote: btw
How good is the OAT greatsword? I'm making one right now and i want to make sure i'm not wasting my time
And how good is the OA2-4 GS comparatively?
Quetzalcoatl.Generic
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-26 14:21:18
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage Thats a joke right? Its a excellent GS, but its not touching either Relic. Apoc is DRKs most damaging weapon if you know what your doing. Rag is a close second. Actually I mathed it out, Rag is a slight winner, but its not ROFL. Esp on harder fights like Ig Apoc has huge advantages when it comes to hit rate and only needing 6% in gear haste to cap. How . . What . . Where are you getting 6% in gear haste from ? With what buffs ? because like uh. I usually have double march from Gjall and a haste which with LR and that caps delay with 13% gear haste. If you were to have Apoc and Cata's AM up that would allow you to only need 3% from gear. Idk where you got 6%. maybe you forgot a 1 >.>; But yea, Rag is a bit more than a slight winner when it comes to DDing. A difference of Apoc: 102.6 capped delay and Rag: 86.2 capped delay, 20% crit rate from Rag alone w/ AM up and Resolution make it a bit over the top when it comes to DDing. Apoc is great for it's utility but I believe we've been over this
Its slight, very slight and sometimes behind esp when Rag DRKs use stupid gear sets on T6 VW. (AF3+2 x5 for example) So I'm confused on how you think the AF3+2 set is bad when you have capped delay reduction from x2 march/haste/LR with the 14% gear haste that you would have on the set. Rag makes up for any accuracy issues along with Aggressor and Diabolic Eye. Give me a reason why I shouldn't use the AF3+2 set in capped delay reduction situations
Ragnarok.Returner
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By Ragnarok.Returner 2012-01-26 14:44:03
cuz under that situation you should really gear for STP for hit build and DA/TA/QA.
I understand your point that since you are swinging so fast, you WS non-stop, but you will WS that much faster with more tp per swing and DA/TA/QA. If you are unable to press WS key fast enough whenever you hit 100%, you can set your spellcast up to do that for you. In the end, if you can WS 0.5 sec faster, you are still going to end up WSing more.
And if you are experiencing TP overflow from STP and DA/TA/QA cuz you can't press the key fast enough, you are still WSing harder cuz you have extra TP, and thankfully TP is a modifier.
So in the end, yes, you should never use AF3+2 set even in capped haste situation.
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By volkom 2012-01-26 14:47:37
Wat. Gimme gearset plz? I wanna see a build with no af3+2
By GraddHelian 2012-01-26 14:47:44
For the same reason Apoc DRK's don't use it. 5/5 is a waste of time and shitty overall.
jingang greaves for example are MUCH better than Af3 feet if you are capping delay reduction.
I'm not up to date with all the newer gear, but I can still say 5/5 has never been a good option.
Quetzalcoatl.Generic
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By Quetzalcoatl.Generic 2012-01-26 14:49:25
Ragnarok.Returner said: »cuz under that situation you should really gear for STP for hit build and DA/TA/QA.
I understand your point that since you are swinging so fast, you WS non-stop, but you will WS that much faster with more tp per swing and DA/TA/QA. If you are unable to press WS key fast enough whenever you hit 100%, you can set your spellcast up to do that for you. In the end, if you can WS 0.5 sec faster, you are still going to end up WSing more.
And if you are experiencing TP overflow from STP and DA/TA/QA cuz you can't press the key fast enough, you are still WSing harder cuz you have extra TP, and thankfully TP is a modifier.
So in the end, yes, you should never use AF3+2 set even in capped haste situation. My set has DA/TA/QA
May not be as much but AF3 proc also helps a bit for dmg D:
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-26 14:50:03
Wat. Gimme gearset plz? I wanna see a build with no af3+2
They mean 5/5 af3+2
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By GraddHelian 2012-01-26 14:50:29
That Claymore Grip makes my eyes bleed.
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By volkom 2012-01-26 14:50:55
Wat. Gimme gearset plz? I wanna see a build with no af3+2
They mean 5/5 af3+2 gotcha
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By Ragnarok.Jajabiondina 2012-01-27 22:17:00
Speaking of which, i got scythe from ig the other day, any use for it?
Ragnarok.Matriarch
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By Ragnarok.Matriarch 2012-01-27 23:43:51
This has probably been addressed in the past, but I've been wondering...
The icon for Borealis has an aura. Does this mean that it glows while drawn?
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By Pandemonium.Anookulchandra 2012-01-28 00:34:10
its best weapon for drk for pure damage bar Ragnarok / OAT Gsword. beats apoc sounds in pure damage
Apoc was about dmg? WTF? Since when? Do you mean before they nerfed the 100 scythe haste cap?
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By Lakshmi.Galith 2012-01-28 00:36:50
Ragnarok.Jajabiondina said: »Speaking of which, i got scythe from ig the other day, any use for it?
You can use it to kill things or harvest crops.
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By Phoenix.Bomber 2012-01-28 00:55:14
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »Ragnarok.Returner said: »cuz under that situation you should really gear for STP for hit build and DA/TA/QA.
I understand your point that since you are swinging so fast, you WS non-stop, but you will WS that much faster with more tp per swing and DA/TA/QA. If you are unable to press WS key fast enough whenever you hit 100%, you can set your spellcast up to do that for you. In the end, if you can WS 0.5 sec faster, you are still going to end up WSing more.
And if you are experiencing TP overflow from STP and DA/TA/QA cuz you can't press the key fast enough, you are still WSing harder cuz you have extra TP, and thankfully TP is a modifier.
So in the end, yes, you should never use AF3+2 set even in capped haste situation. My set has DA/TA/QA
May not be as much but AF3 proc also helps a bit for dmg D: How do you put gear in the "item set" squares to show on your char?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-01-28 00:58:51
Ragnarok.Matriarch said: »This has probably been addressed in the past, but I've been wondering...
The icon for Borealis has an aura. Does this mean that it glows while drawn?
Yes.
 Cerberus.Kvazz
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-28 09:05:53
Does anybody really know exactly what the add effect on Borealis does anyways?
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-28 09:28:56
Quetzalcoatl.Generic said: »Ragnarok.Returner said: »cuz under that situation you should really gear for STP for hit build and DA/TA/QA. I understand your point that since you are swinging so fast, you WS non-stop, but you will WS that much faster with more tp per swing and DA/TA/QA. If you are unable to press WS key fast enough whenever you hit 100%, you can set your spellcast up to do that for you. In the end, if you can WS 0.5 sec faster, you are still going to end up WSing more. And if you are experiencing TP overflow from STP and DA/TA/QA cuz you can't press the key fast enough, you are still WSing harder cuz you have extra TP, and thankfully TP is a modifier. So in the end, yes, you should never use AF3+2 set even in capped haste situation. My set has DA/TA/QA May not be as much but AF3 proc also helps a bit for dmg D:
Using your set:
Capped Delay, t6 VW mob 40 savetp 8 regain
Great Sword
Resolution
20%
1
Set 2
403
280.444
4.71
2372
4269
526
487.071
Add souleater
Great Sword
Resolution
20%
1
Set 2
527
366.637
4.71
3136
5616
526
640.822
You are leaving over 100 DPS on the table with that gear set up. *** noobs and their shiney boxes.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2012-01-28 10:03:10
Does anybody really know exactly what the add effect on Borealis does anyways?
Last I checked from DRKs who got it, it enhances the "Feels good man!" effect.
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Didn't see anything around here about it, but does anyone know how Borealis fairs in the hands of a DRK?
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