Banned For Too Much Gil Flow

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 Asura.Solara
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By Asura.Solara 2012-02-07 13:51:36  
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
I really don't think people understand. You don't just get banned for a flag. The people that were banned the beginning of this month were under investigation for at least 90 days. The OP of this thread had been under investigation. Even people who had a GM called on them for RMT aren't instabanned. They're FLAGGED They're placed under investigation. Cry fowl all you want. I'm not convinced.

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By Chyula 2012-02-07 13:53:28  
SE still refuse to Ban me for the good sake of Asura. /sigh
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-07 13:55:23  
Chyula said: »
SE still refuse to Ban me for the good sake of Asura. /sigh
im sure if you ask them nicely..
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-07 13:58:20  
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
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By Chyula 2012-02-07 14:00:17  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.

the 1% out there cares, and the 99% is too busy getting trolled by Tanaka because He care about the 1%.
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-07 14:03:08  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
it used to matter big time years ago, but yeah now not so much.
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2012-02-07 14:03:23  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-07 14:07:25  
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Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
then how does banning them work if the investigation is supposed to be 90 days?
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By Carbuncle.Kunisama 2012-02-07 14:07:53  
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
again not true. You cant trade, send tells, hold more than 100k, access expansion areas or buy from bazaars on trial accounts
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-02-07 14:10:11  
surprised RMT farms havent tried to take over cruor camps 24/7. 18 toons, getting 150k cruor/hr on the low end. 24/7 over the course of one month is ~4.5 billion gil. earned legitimately.
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-02-07 14:10:11  
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
again not true. You cant trade, send tells, hold more than 100k, access expansion areas or buy from bazaars on trial accounts

sounds like you have some experience with this
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2012-02-07 14:11:00  
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
again not true. You cant trade, send tells, hold more than 100k, access expansion areas or buy from bazaars on trial accounts
Oh they changed that then. Or maybe not, lol. I'm going mostly by heresy.
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By mortontony1 2012-02-07 14:11:06  
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
surprised RMT farms havent tried to take over cruor camps 24/7. 18 toons, getting 150k cruor/hr on the low end. 24/7 over the course of one month is ~4.5 billion gil. earned legitimately.

They have lol I've seen it
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By Bahamut.Serj 2012-02-07 14:11:47  
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Oh they changed that then. Or maybe not, lol. I'm going mostly by heresy.

BURN THEM! BURN THEM!
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By Asura.Lolserj 2012-02-07 14:12:46  
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Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Oh they changed that then. Or maybe not, lol. I'm going mostly by heresy.

BURN THEM! BURN THEM!

SHES A WITCH!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-02-07 14:13:48  
Didn't they stop offering trial accounts?
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-02-07 14:14:19  
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
again not true. You cant trade, send tells, hold more than 100k, access expansion areas or buy from bazaars on trial accounts
Oh they changed that then. Or maybe not, lol. I'm going mostly by heresy.
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By Carbuncle.Kunisama 2012-02-07 14:15:29  
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Sylph.Liltrouble said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I don't know why they ban RMT. That's like $12.95 x 2500 per month that they could be getting, and the rest of us don't care.
It's not 12.95. It's actually 0.00. Most RMT use the free trials.
again not true. You cant trade, send tells, hold more than 100k, access expansion areas or buy from bazaars on trial accounts
Oh they changed that then. Or maybe not, lol. I'm going mostly by heresy.
Aye you used to be able to, but when they started abusing them to send gilselling tells 24/7 they got rid of free trial and when they brought them back they were all restricted n stuffs
SE said:
Other in-game restrictions:
- Character’s growth limited to lvl 30
- Maximum amount of gil (in-game currency) limited to 100,000
- Auction house restricted to browsing only
- TELL/SHOUT functions disabled (ctrl+r replies enabled)
- FINAL FANTASY XI® 1.0 areas only (original game), all further expansions disabled
- Server transfer disabled
- Post/deliveries disabled (sending/receiving)
- Trading disabled
- Bazaar restricted to browsing only

Please note that all these restrictions will be removed when purchasing the full game and that you will have the possibility to retain your character’s attributes (data will be kept for 90 days after the end of the Free Trial).
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By Valefor.Rancor 2012-02-07 14:28:58  
Technically Casino's run by players are not part of the game content so they are just doing their job. If you got 18mil irl and no paper trail the FBI would be on your *** so I dnt see how tis any different. It is extreme and they should have investigated it but it is what it is.
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By Fenrir.Mtmoogle 2012-02-07 14:34:56  
Should I calm down on the chocobo blinkers >.>??
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By AsuraVanzan 2012-02-07 14:38:26  
Back what, idk 2.5 years ago my old Dynamis ls leader got the ban hammer for alledged RMT. But "he said" and I haven't ever had a reason to doubt him before, that the only thing he can think of that got him flagged/banned would have been Gil transfer between different mule accounts that were all billed on his same credit card. And possibly giving officers the Gil to purchase hour glasses for runs he could not be present for.

Fast forward to today when people have 18 accounts in Abyssea crour farming for weeks at a time and funneling HUGE amounts of Gil to one or two main accounts and don't get banned. There's really no real way to know if people are telling the truth about what they actually did and what they were accused of when they got banned. It would take an actual insider to give the exact details of what happens in an "investigation" and how some get "flagged" and others don't. I just know I don't take any chances myself. Any time I have over 500k transfer between me and anyone else I ALWAYS tell in some form of chat where the Gil came from and what it is I am purchasing. That way I at least know that if I am being monitored there is a logical explanation for what I am doing. This may not be worth a hill of beans in an "investigation" but it gives me peace of mind.

To the OP, I can see why they would single out your account due to the large amounts of people you come into contact with, transferring so many different amounts of Gil between different accounts. Casinos may be fun and very profitable but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand why you would get banned. The Gil police and third party police have always been blood thirsty. There's no reason to think otherwise for Casinos.
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2012-02-07 14:39:30  
Fenrir.Mtmoogle said: »
Should I calm down on the chocobo blinkers >.>??
I doubt it. Unless, of course, you're selling the proceeds for real money...
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By Cerberus.Chinita 2012-02-07 14:46:37  
You probabbly got banned for something else, i know people that have more than 500millions and nothing... Know someone that makes 10-30 millions selling leech spot everyday all day and nothing... You probabbly did something else.
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By Ragnarok.Godsmack 2012-02-07 14:47:42  
lol MARIO MONTI WORKS FOR SQUARE ENIX....this world really sux...never in a game u cant spent money without getting controlled couse government want all for his ????? stuff steal all what honest men do every day doing his own works...bah i think this month ill give up my both chars so SE will never get my money...
gj SE really
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2012-02-07 14:48:48  
What is this casino you speak of? I wish to acquire 18m from it.
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By Rhaokin 2012-02-07 14:59:58  
Asura.Bombs said: »
ok so heres the wonderful story that the hard working SE people have done to me this week.

When trying to log and saying that i couln't and after calling the helpless line to SE telling me that i have been selling gil for money (lol) i think i have to have gil in order to even sell it...

but after talking to the new working at the SE HQ in india they told me that i had too much gil flow within the last week... so apparently you are now suppost to play the game without trading,bazzaring or using the AH... GJ SE heaven forbid you guys do any real work at your job...

then the noob from SE tells my i had a large amount of gil recived in a short amount a time so think back i played the casino (aka Casinoo from those on the asura server known) and won over 18m gil...) winning that much apparently qualifies you as an RMT so for everyone that plays the casino "run away" you get banned for no reason when trying to have fun...

on another note these wonder workers at the SE HQ are the same people in-game known as GM's (aka dont do anything)

Maybe trading large amounts of gil (and no items or anything) back and forth with a Lv1 with no gear shouting in Jeuno for hours raised some flags?
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By Sylph.Liltrouble 2012-02-07 15:00:47  
The OP had to have done something aside from just operating a Casino. I know someone personally that ran a Casino in Wg for over a year, 4 days/week. He's bored with it now, but built a relic with the earnings and had enough left to build another to stage 5.
It all boils down to the investigation following being flagged. SE flags thousands of accounts each month. Thousands. It's the investigation that follows that determines if you're violating the ToS.
 
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By Asura.Bombs 2012-02-07 17:18:30  
dam didn't think 3,000+ people would even look at this post let alone comment...
point taken im an average game player and dont sell gil for real money i have a real job...
but just letting people know ive played the game 5 years plus and havn't done anything different in those 5 years besides playing the casino last week which i regret now

just letting people know that ^ and becareful

and above post it wasn't something else that i did

Dear Customer:

This notice is to inform you that we have suspended the FINAL FANTASY XI service account registered to this e-mail for one or more violations of the FINAL FANTASY XI User Agreement that occurred on 02-07-2012.

We have confirmed that you have violated the following rules and agreements
upon an investigation.

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2.2 Real Money Trading, Farming and Power-Leveling. You may not sell, purchase or exchange for real-world money or value any in-game currency, accounts, characters, in-game services, or in-game virtual items. You may not play the Game for the purpose of acquiring virtual items or advancement in game play on behalf of a third-party or for the purpose of selling any virtual assets to a third party for real-world money, specifically including $B!H(Bgold-farming$B!I(B and power-leveling services.
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By Cerberus.Billgoku 2012-02-07 17:27:39  
mortontony1 said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
surprised RMT farms havent tried to take over cruor camps 24/7. 18 toons, getting 150k cruor/hr on the low end. 24/7 over the course of one month is ~4.5 billion gil. earned legitimately.

They have lol I've seen it

Yeah here on Cerb theres this one character that's been spamming FC parties for the past month, charging people to leech but only giving them a fraction of what they paid for. Then from what I've seen transfering gil through the AH to other accounts, most of them having such random names.