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DRG in endgame zergs
 Lakshmi.Sparthosx
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-15 10:19:59
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Bismarck.Helel said: »
Who cares.

Angon is reason enough to bring a DRG. Whether or not they do better damage than X job is completely irrelevant.

Ageha's defense down effect lasts longer and is stronger than a max enhanced Angon. The SAM you bring just has to be smarter than the posted one.

Is Tachi: Ageha's DEF down enfeeb that reliable across all targets or are we just talking about ADL here?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-03-15 10:28:34
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Aren't they changing angon to stack with other def down effects?
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-03-15 10:29:10
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30mil for what?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:29:22
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if they do, incoming rogue's/fighter's roll combo.
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By Gilgamesh.Meldity 2012-03-15 10:30:36
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ok newfags listen up: angon/ageha/dia3 all stack.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:31:45
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ageha and angon don't stack.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-03-15 10:34:24
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Gilgamesh.Meldity said: »
ok newfags listen up: angon/ageha/dia3 all stack.
Check this and this please.
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By Ophannus 2012-03-15 10:34:34
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-03-15 10:38:08
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Valefor.Rancor said: »
All DD can deal good damage. A whm could out parse most DD with the right hexa build any more.

This isn't abyssea. Even if it was, MOST dd you know are ***. End of story.

All of this ageha on ADL talk is pretty *** lol too. I hope you guys aren't serious, but quite frankly, I can't tell. This thread was fail from the first post.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:39:33
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30% defense down is lol?
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-03-15 10:39:47
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Valefor.Rancor said: »
All DD can deal good damage. A whm could out parse most DD with the right hexa build any more.

This isn't abyssea.

All of this ageha on ADL talk is pretty *** lol too. I hope you guys aren't serious, but quite frankly, I can't tell. This thread was fail from the first post.
Cause it's always about your e-peen omgwtfbbq damage am I right? Ageha will allow the group to do far more damage than one shoha or fudo.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-03-15 10:42:24
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No. It's about if you NEED the def down from ageha on ADL, you got other problems. Each split is a seperate ID. Def down doesn't split over to all ID's, each time it resplits, new ID come up, and the def gone is down again. You're wasting potential damage with ageha when you can just buff properly.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-15 10:42:57
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Which goes back to the first question:

Is Ageha reliable on moderate to difficult targets?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:43:38
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
No. It's about if you NEED the def down from ageha on ADL, you got other problems. Each split is a seperate ID. Def down doesn't split over to all ID's, each time it resplits, new ID come up, and the def gone is down again. You're wasting potential damage with ageha when you can just buff properly.
Or you can use it, and not require chaos roll.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:44:04
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Which goes back to the first question:

Is Ageha reliable on moderate to difficult targets?
Anything not immune to wind based effects, it's pretty reliable.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-03-15 10:46:31
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lol
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-03-15 10:48:05
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Pretty reliable could mean 80%, 85% or 75% of the time.

A DRGs Angon with the +2 gloves is boosted to 25% and isn't going to be resisted whereas Ageha is 30% with a ??% percent chance of failure.

Has there been any hard testing on this? Reminds me of the discussion of how great Drakesbane was on tough targets before the realization the WS had a huge ATT penalty tied to it.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:48:50
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95% chance, only due to acc cap.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2012-03-15 10:49:33
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Ophannus said: »
30m for marrow. farm up 18 pops over the course of 3 days, then spam ADL for the rest of the week and profit.

Does Ageha stack with Angon? I don't think it does, it's the same icon 'Defense Down'.

Dia spells: Dia Dia II Diaga Dia III
Defense Down: Acid Bolts, Additional Effect Weapons, Angon, Ageha, Garland of Bliss Despoil, BLU spells
Steps: Box Step

I think you can only pick one from each category as far as I know. Would love to see tests that prove otherwise. And SE said they're gonna make Gungnir's defense down stack with other defense down effects, not for Angon I believe.

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Angon
In regards to Angon, the development team is looking into adjustments so that the lowered defense effect stacks with other defense lowering effects.

Can find it in this thread:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/28792/dev1090-job-adjustments-dragoon/#s_body
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-03-15 10:49:36
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
lol
I'm sorry it's so far above your head.
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By Lakshmi.Aanalaty 2012-03-15 10:55:25
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And somehow, a drg proud of a parse thread turns into a sam zerg thread. Whoodathunkit.

I completely forgot to parse my ADL run on tuesday when i was on drg. Our A-Game empy/relic war was there too >< Gotta see how Ryu stacks up to super War. Probably 1-2 more weeks before I get another crack at it.

Valefor.Rancor said: »
Back to the bottom of the list once save TP is nerfed more than likely.
Does it make me a bad person that I cant wait for this to happen? It will actually matter how fast you can get TP again via melee hits and X hit builds and I have a 5hit 40%DA, 20%TA weapon(+gear). Right now i overflow TP so much its stupid. My WS frequency will hardly budge, but everyone else will plummet :P

(similarly, other multi hit Weapon users will not be as hurt by this)
 
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By Ophannus 2012-03-15 11:25:34
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Yeah I actually save Angon for times where we kill a clone ID and need to zerg the last one down fast. Although a good alliance with proper buffs could it without a problem, the first 10 seconds of the fight, ADL is already at 75% without using TP moves.(We usually hold TP moves until after it splits otherwise we run the risk of getting 3 clones if it splits below 25% or so.)
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-03-15 11:32:17
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Hasso does more for your damage, DRG is only really relevant for zergs if you have an ample amount of atk buffs. With Ageha and chaos roll, drg damage shouldn't really be bad on most things. Only thing holding the job back really is the lack of ATK.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-03-15 11:39:52
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Assuming the mob has 600 def. Ageha will lower the attack needed to cap from 1200 to 840. Chaos rolls would be a waste since any dd should be able to reach this with Dia III.
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By Shiva.Paulu 2012-03-15 12:14:12
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Are you sure ADL counts a demon? I tried to use Hamanoha on him and it wouldn't let me.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-03-15 12:20:44
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Code 
Nomnom                      50871          0     50871    49.30 %      23/0   100.00 %   1433/3684  2211.78

 - Resolution               28600          0     28600    56.22 %      11/0   100.00 %   1832/3684  2600.00

 - Scourge                  22271          0     22271    43.78 %      12/0   100.00 %   1433/2502  1855.92


This guy, does he know scourge is for aftermath and with all those buffs he should just use reso?
Code 
Nappy                       37547          0     37547    39.19 %      12/0   100.00 %   1599/4521  3128.92

 - Resolution               23342          0     23342    62.17 %       7/0   100.00 %   1599/4521  3334.57

 - Torcleaver               14205          0     14205    37.83 %       5/0   100.00 %   2597/3215  2841.00


Was this guy afk? Also, Torcleaver.
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Minigun                     29610          0     29610    58.40 %      13/0   100.00 %      0/3457  2277.69

 - Tachi: Kaiten             2138          0      2138     7.22 %       1/0   100.00 %   2138/2138  2138.00

 - Tachi: Shoha             27472          0     27472    92.78 %      12/0   100.00 %      0/3457  2289.33


13 WS from a SAM? Did he fall asleep?
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Eggyman                     48711          0     48711    59.59 %      22/0   100.00 %   1664/2873  2214.14

 - Torcleaver               48711          0     48711   100.00 %      22/0   100.00 %   1664/2873  2214.14


Torcleaver.
Code 
Cedwyn                      63039          0     63039    54.41 %      22/0   100.00 %   1507/5317  2865.41

 - Catastrophe              15943          0     15943    25.29 %       7/0   100.00 %   1507/3132  2277.57

 - Entropy                  22529          0     22529    35.74 %       9/0   100.00 %   1708/3155  2503.22

 - Resolution               24567          0     24567    38.97 %       6/0   100.00 %   2570/5317  4094.50


If he wasn't swapping weapons, woulda crushed hard.
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Apollyn                     63578          0     63578    53.92 %      25/0   100.00 %    596/4281  2543.12

 - Ukko's Fury              63578          0     63578   100.00 %      25/0   100.00 %    596/4281  2543.12


If he was using MS, should have used a GS and Reso'd it to death. Otherwise, sort of low Ukko's numbers. I would imagine he was not capped accuracy, but you didn't have missed attacks unfiltered so we'll never know.

And the COR came in right behind the DD's using Last Stand, which in a zerg, should never happen.

The point? Everyone can do damage but your analysis of what happened is misguided.

@Aa, I would imagine you'd still be behind DRKs and depending on who/what buffs, MNK's and WAR's. The Rex's we parsed had you high, but not on top, though our party was under COR'd compared to the other.
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