A Scholar's Education (Guide)

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 Asura.Toralin
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By Asura.Toralin 2016-04-24 17:23:29  
If the SCH is making the SC the party is going to be slow and not really movign that fast, been in one where the SCH was doing half the SC, but still it moves faster with DD making SC, SCH dual roll of nuking, regen5, weathering
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By Seraph.Jacaut 2016-04-25 16:06:11  
my sch sucks plain and simple, so with that in mind can someone post a decent current enfeeb set? was trying to silence sang buya and had no luck at all
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By Odin.Speedyjim 2016-04-25 16:40:29  
This is a good start. Can replace head with Merlinic Hood with good magic accuracy augments. Cape can likely be replaced as well.

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By Siren.Blackroses 2016-04-26 12:56:04  
I am very poor with spreadsheets, but I was wondering if the Twilight Cape is still as relevant as obi, either for MB situation, or free nukes?
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By Asura.Toralin 2016-04-26 19:41:16  
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,
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By Bismarck.Speedyjim 2016-04-26 20:45:43  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,
Not sure but why not take off one of your +10 pcs and see how long storms last, then you can sorta figure out how long a +9 Gioavolr will last.
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By ForteGSX 2016-04-26 21:13:09  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

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By Asura.Toralin 2016-04-26 21:15:58  
fern?
ForteGSX said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

fern?
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By Asura.Milkydoll 2016-04-26 21:39:49  
Asura.Toralin said: »
fern?
ForteGSX said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

fern?

I used fern to get +10 enhancing duration on my Griovalr. Schah also drops Oranyan with same +10. good luck babe!
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By ForteGSX 2016-04-26 21:39:52  
Asura.Toralin said: »
fern?
ForteGSX said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

fern?

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By Nocki 2016-04-27 01:14:45  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

I have 9/10/10/9/9 + 119 Gloves and my storms are 11:14. If you have 10 in every slot, the highest possible would be 11:28~
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-04-27 01:29:26  
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,
As far as I know, like I already told you and supposing Grio follows the same pattern as most (all?) other stats, +Enha duration caps at +9 with Pellucid and Taupe, and +10 with Fern.
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By Fenrir.Montaeg 2016-04-27 06:26:04  
Nocki said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

I have 9/10/10/9/9 + 119 Gloves and my storms are 11:14. If you have 10 in every slot, the highest possible would be 11:28~

How do you know your storms are 11:14? The gear you described gives 10:28, with the max being 10:39 w/o Oranyan (10:53 with).

.55*180+2*(1.47)*180 = ~628
edit: no.
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By Bismarck.Speedyjim 2016-04-27 21:37:03  
Fenrir.Montaeg said: »
Nocki said: »
Asura.Toralin said: »
Anyone seen more than +9 Enhancing Duration on Griovalr? With +9 and 4/5 Telchine with +10, how long can storms go? right now I am at 10:55 on storms,

I have 9/10/10/9/9 + 119 Gloves and my storms are 11:14. If you have 10 in every slot, the highest possible would be 11:28~

How do you know your storms are 11:14? The gear you described gives 10:28, with the max being 10:39 w/o Oranyan (10:53 with).

.55*180+2*(1.47)*180 = ~628
I suppose with timers plugin?
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By Chimerawizard 2016-04-27 21:57:40  
180*(2+.55)*(1+.09+.09+.09+.1+.1)=180*2.55*1.47=674.73 or 11m 14s

max should then be, 180*2.55*1.5=688.5 or 11m 28s

Gloves should be included in the perpetuance term during multiplication.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2016-04-28 05:58:06  
With this in mind, it's possible to get Embrava to ~9m duration.
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By Fenrir.Montaeg 2016-04-28 06:37:59  
Chimerawizard said: »
180*(2+.55)*(1+.09+.09+.09+.1+.1)=180*2.55*1.47=674.73 or 11m 14s

max should then be, 180*2.55*1.5=688.5 or 11m 28s

Gloves should be included in the perpetuance term during multiplication.

Have you turned on the game timers? I think you will find this is not the case. I did some testing a while ago here: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108199-Random-Facts-Thread-Other?p=6672293&viewfull=1#post6672293 edit: also no.

edit: iirc the timers plugin actually does calculate it this way (gloves bonus not applied to other gear bonuses) which is why I was asking.
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By Chimerawizard 2016-04-28 13:56:19  
sigh It's been a few months since I've been to that thread.

I would consider the gloves bugged in that case. +55% perpetuance should mean when perpetuance is active, that term in the multiplication gets increased. If the only term that increased duration was perpetuance then sure it makes sense to make the coding easier I suppose. However since there are other terms, either the entire perpetuance buff should either be included or excluded from the rest of the math. Being partially included and excluded... gets sent to remedial math classes?

Have you sent a bug report to make sure that is working as intended?
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By Fenrir.Montaeg 2016-04-28 16:05:08  
If you think it's a bug, you should report it.
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By Nocki 2016-04-29 01:51:33  
Fenrir.Montaeg said: »
Chimerawizard said: »
180*(2+.55)*(1+.09+.09+.09+.1+.1)=180*2.55*1.47=674.73 or 11m 14s

max should then be, 180*2.55*1.5=688.5 or 11m 28s

Gloves should be included in the perpetuance term during multiplication.

Have you turned on the game timers? I think you will find this is not the case. I did some testing a while ago here: https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/108199-Random-Facts-Thread-Other?p=6672293&viewfull=1#post6672293

edit: iirc the timers plugin actually does calculate it this way (gloves bonus not applied to other gear bonuses) which is why I was asking.
I turn on the in game timer, and anytime I perpetuance haste or storms (or anything 3 minutes base) it comes up as 11m
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By Fenrir.Montaeg 2016-04-30 08:04:38  
So I retested this and I found out I equip pedagogy loafers midcast, which is why I was seeing messed up numbers when I tested with storms. Unfortunately missing 10 duration is almost exactly equal to not multiplying my other gear bonuses by .55. Sorry for being dumb and not locking gear d-d.

So the gloves don't work like I said they do apply across other gear bonuses, but Oranyan does work they way I first thought. So max duration of a 3 min spell is actually like:

2.55*1.1*1.4*180 = 706 (11:46)

Gunna go slash out some things in my old posts now to prevent any spread of misinformation.
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By floydtrey1 2016-05-04 01:09:51  
So Gear Question for noober goober sch...
The Arbatel Bracers are supposed to extend the duration of your spell for more when equipped if your using perpetuation correct?

Well i used perpetuation on Regen. Got 5 minute timer.
Since my gear isn't +1'd and is only lvl 109. I should only recieve 50% boost to duration.

Here's what i'm seeing.
w/o strat = 2 minute.
w/ strat = 5 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 5 minute.

Shouldn't that be 7.5 minutes?

***** Now when tested w/ Barfire ******
w/o strat = 8 minute.
w/ strat = 15 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 20 minute...

So the bracers have no effect on Regen Duration?? WHY?
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By Chimerawizard 2016-05-04 01:21:18  
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So Gear Question for noober goober sch...
The Arbatel Bracers are supposed to extend the duration of your spell for more when equipped if your using perpetuation correct?

Well i used perpetuation on Regen. Got 5 minute timer.
Since my gear isn't +1'd and is only lvl 109. I should only recieve 50% boost to duration.

Here's what i'm seeing.
w/o strat = 2 minute.
w/ strat = 5 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 5 minute.

Shouldn't that be 7.5 minutes?

***** Now when tested w/ Barfire ******
w/o strat = 8 minute.
w/ strat = 15 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 20 minute...

So the bracers have no effect on Regen Duration?? WHY?
I suggest doublechecking your w/o gloves test. It should show 4m duration.
The bar spell should not be 15m either if base was 8m.

It increases the bonus another 50%.
Perpetuance doubles duration. or +100%
tack on top of that another 50% for +150%.
[base] * [1+'perpetuation'+'bracers perpetuation'] * [1+'duration augments'] * [1+'duration from Oranyan']

example: spell haste: base=180s
wearing gloves, 40% in augments & oranyan.
180*(1+1+.5)*(1+.4)*(1+.1) = 180*2.5*1.4*1.1 = 693s or 11m33s
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2016-05-04 01:26:32  
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So Gear Question for noober goober sch...
The Arbatel Bracers are supposed to extend the duration of your spell for more when equipped if your using perpetuation correct?

Well i used perpetuation on Regen. Got 5 minute timer.
Since my gear isn't +1'd and is only lvl 109. I should only recieve 50% boost to duration.

Here's what i'm seeing.
w/o strat = 2 minute.
w/ strat = 5 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 5 minute.

Shouldn't that be 7.5 minutes?

***** Now when tested w/ Barfire ******
w/o strat = 8 minute.
w/ strat = 15 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 20 minute...

So the bracers have no effect on Regen Duration?? WHY?

Check your times. It's working as normal.

First: Base duration of Regen is 108 secs with Light Arts active. If you have LA job points leveled some you can reach your 2 min duration.

Second: If you have a 2 minute base duration, and use Perpetuance, you'd then have 4 min duration, since Perpetuance doubles your base duration.

Third: using 109 gloves would then add and extra 50% when Perpetuance is up. 2mins * 2.5 = 5 mins.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2016-05-04 01:31:46  
Also, last I read, base duration for Bar-Spells is effected by Enhancing Magic skill, and caps at 5 mins@300 skill
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By floydtrey1 2016-05-04 01:37:57  
Hmm tested w/o my gearswap running and it seems to be working fine. I think it's something in my lua file thats throwing it off... going to move this over to windower support and see if someone can check my work. Thanks for the fast response :)
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2016-05-04 01:53:25  
Is it equipping gear with Enhancing Magic Duration?
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By floydtrey1 2016-05-04 02:00:45  
I'm just starting to build my set for Enhancing Duration and Potency :(

Here is a link to the Windower Support page that has my Lua File w/ my gear included. (Some gear was there originally and i left it in place even though it is currently unusable to make it easier to add the new gear when i finally get it :)

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/41580/gearswap-support-thread/99#3092027
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By Asura.Krystela 2016-05-04 02:53:58  
floydtrey1 said: »
So Gear Question for noober goober sch...
The Arbatel Bracers are supposed to extend the duration of your spell for more when equipped if your using perpetuation correct?

Well i used perpetuation on Regen. Got 5 minute timer.
Since my gear isn't +1'd and is only lvl 109. I should only recieve 50% boost to duration.

Here's what i'm seeing.
w/o strat = 2 minute.
w/ strat = 5 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 5 minute.

Shouldn't that be 7.5 minutes?

***** Now when tested w/ Barfire ******
w/o strat = 8 minute.
w/ strat = 15 minute.
w/ strat & Arbatel Bracers 109 = 20 minute...

So the bracers have no effect on Regen Duration?? WHY?
Hey this may not have been mentionned, but I often have that issue with gearswap if I do Perpetuance + spell too fast so I have to wait a sec or so between perp and spell.

It may look stupid but it did made me wonder wth was happening. Sometimes my regen/weather would be 5 min, sometimes it would be 11min and it was the issues.
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By Asura.Sechs 2016-05-04 03:06:24  
The perpetuance issue happens if you use "buffactive['perpetuance']" as a condition in your lua.

To avoid that you can use a custom variable that you create and activate (could be a boolean you set to "true") each time you perform "Perpetuance" JA and spell.action is not interrupted.
Do this in your aftercast.
Then in your midcast check for your custom variable instead of checking for buffactive['perpetuance'].

Alternatively you need to change your habits and use Perpetuance as your first Stratagem.
I had the habit of using stratagems in this order: Penury > Celerity > Accession > Perpetuance. From left to right in my macro book.
Just change it the other way around and make so Perpetuance is always the first strat you use, and that usually fixes the mentioned midcast issue with Perpetuance even if you use the standard buffactive check method



Explanation on what is happening if you're curious:
Arbatel hands do not get equipped midcast because Gearswap doesn't "see" Perpetuance buff as being active.
This happens because the client takes 1-2 seconds to see a buff you put up, and in return this means that if you're too fast casting a spell or performing an action after using a JA, Gearswap might be unable to see that that specific buff is already up.
This happens with everything, not just perpetuance.
If you want to make sure something gets 100% equipped you need to either be slower after JA use or to use one of the many alternate methods to address your condition check (like custom variables I suggested above, but there are other ways as well)
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