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 Asura.Artemicion
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 12:28:08  
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I give up.
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 12:40:16  
There's really no reason for anyone to get so uppity over this. It's quite simple really: If you use it, fine. If you're skeptical, try it (you can always delete it if it's not your cup of tea). If you hate it and think it's cheating, STFU. Nobody deserves to be alienated by someone else's self-absorbed, arrogant, moral high-horse riding ***.

/goes to look for Jaerik's famous post regarding this.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-07-23 12:43:18  
you guys do know your using a windower like right now

so for you ethics people your "cheating" too

bunch of noobs -.-
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 Asura.Artemicion
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 12:44:46  
Directly from the FFXIAH.com admin himself:

Jaerik said:
Windower is illegal under the Terms of Service. FFXIAH.com is illegal under the Terms of Service. So is Allakhazam, so is Killing Ifrit, so is using any site, tool, or program not written by SquareEnix that decompiles, references, or in any way republishes any of SquareEnix's intellectual copyright, including any and all item, character, or mission data. Even posting screenshots is against the Terms of Service, unless taken via the in-game screenshot feature which watermarks SE's copyright over the top. Writing any fan fiction, derivative works, roleplaying, etc, is all against the Terms of Service. Letting any other player log into your account, ever, for any reason, is a violation of the Terms of Service.

I could go on. The point is, every single one of you, everyone, is or has violated the ToS at some point. Not a single one of you, especially none of you posting on this site (read: especially Luignata), has any right whatsoever to accuse any other user of "breaking the rules." Period.

The only thing that matters is money. SquareEnix reserves the right to ban you for a ToS violation, but they are not required to, and they won't waste their time (or money) enforcing it unless it makes business sense to do so. In other words, the only thing that matters is if a particular 3rd party utility is causing more people to quit the game than continue playing it. It is the duty of 3rd party developers, and users of 3rd party tools alike, to not make SE lose money.


and

Jaerik said:
Nobody cares, and neither does SE. Go whine somewhere else.


Checkmate.
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By Fenrir.Krazyrs 2009-07-23 12:44:59  
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The fear of banning has caused me to use the windower sparingly. The fear has lowered over the years as more people use it.

been running it for 4 years,the only ppl that know i actively use windower are in my vent channel, and every single of them use it too, cept for the ps3 user running vent via his laptop lol

i died logging into my 360 last time
bad graphics
no plug-ins D:<
no spellcast for all my .xml macros, limit to 6 lines on RDM and BLM, fail
no distance for kite soloing on rdm
no infobar for knowing what aggros and what they aggro too
no treasure pool profiles for certain areas
no expwatch for quick tnl access
no recast/buff/food timers
no .dat swapped in game maps
no timestamp for afk NM ToD's

it was like a bad dream
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By Fairy.Ryezen 2009-07-23 12:50:03  
Artemicion said:
There's really no reason for anyone to get so uppity over this. It's quite simple really: If you use it, fine. If you're skeptical, try it (you can always delete it if it's not your cup of tea). If you hate it and think it's cheating, STFU. Nobody deserves to be alienated by someone else's self-absorbed, arrogant, moral high-horse riding ***.

/goes to look for Jaerik's famous post regarding this.

Not tryin' to get "uppity" on anyone; all I'm sayin' is it "Grinds my Gears" when someone's vagina gets all sore over being confronted with the fact that using plug-ins is cheating.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2009-07-23 12:50:33  
Krazyrs said:
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The fear of banning has caused me to use the windower sparingly. The fear has lowered over the years as more people use it.

been running it for 4 years,the only ppl that know i actively use windower are in my vent channel, and every single of them use it too, cept for the ps3 user running vent via his laptop lol

i died logging into my 360 last time
bad graphics
no plug-ins D:<
no spellcast for all my .xml macros, limit to 6 lines on RDM and BLM, fail
no distance for kite soloing on rdm
no infobar for knowing what aggros and what they aggro too
no treasure pool profiles for certain areas
no expwatch for quick tnl access
no recast/buff/food timers
no .dat swapped in game maps
no timestamp for afk NM ToD's

it was like a bad dream


lmao
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 Asura.Artemicion
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 12:51:28  
Ryezen said:
Artemicion said:
There's really no reason for anyone to get so uppity over this. It's quite simple really: If you use it, fine. If you're skeptical, try it (you can always delete it if it's not your cup of tea). If you hate it and think it's cheating, STFU. Nobody deserves to be alienated by someone else's self-absorbed, arrogant, moral high-horse riding ***.

/goes to look for Jaerik's famous post regarding this.

Not tryin' to get "uppity" on anyone; all I'm sayin' is it "Grinds my Gears" when someone's vagina gets all sore over being confronted with the fact that using plug-ins is cheating.


That's fair, as long as you can admit that "cheating" is subjective and falls under as an opinion.
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-23 12:59:07  
did I miss the show?
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 13:00:06  
I think Bart joined Windowers Anonymous before the organization was even formally created >_>
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2009-07-23 13:00:44  
Bart's such an overachiever
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 Ifrit.Kungfuhustle
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-23 13:02:23  
ITS TEH STACHE I TELLS YA!
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-23 13:10:14  
Poor Barti, it's a gift and a curse, I mean, easily the most awesome avatar known to man...but if he ever changes it the lynch mob is gonna burn his house down.

Double edged sword ; ;
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-23 13:12:37  
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Poor Barti, it's a gift and a curse, I mean, easily the most awesome avatar known to man...but if he ever changes it the lynch mob is gonna burn his house down.

Double edged sword ; ;


WE'D BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN!
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-23 13:19:50  
Kungfuhustle said:
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Poor Barti, it's a gift and a curse, I mean, easily the most awesome avatar known to man...but if he ever changes it the lynch mob is gonna burn his house down.

Double edged sword ; ;


WE'D BURN HIS HOUSE DOWN!


LOL exactly, I mean, Kungfu here has been just WAITING for an excuse...
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By Ramuh.Krizz 2009-07-23 13:20:45  
But does Kung really need an excuse to do anything he does?
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-23 13:21:18  
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But does Kung really need an excuse to do anything he does?


Well, he needs something to tell the cops...
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-23 13:23:34  
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Krizz said:
But does Kung really need an excuse to do anything he does?


Well, he needs something to tell the cops...


I don't need an excuse or reason, I just like to light ***up, all the pretty flammable colors.
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By Seraph.Caiyuo 2009-07-23 13:24:09  
What the hell, the OP said he'd gotten his answer on Page 1. lol Too many threads are dragging on like this lately!
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-23 13:24:40  
Kungfuhustle said:
Xxnumbertwoxx said:
Krizz said:
But does Kung really need an excuse to do anything he does?


Well, he needs something to tell the cops...


I don't need an excuse or reason, I just like to light ***up, all the pretty flammable colors.


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By Midgardsormr.Acropora 2009-07-23 13:26:58  
Whoever thinks windower is "cheating", get off this website >.> It's no different than being able to see in game info, while off game.. Also, windower is a convenience, anyone that can perfectly remember a recast timer, or can just look at a mob and tell distances and is very skilled, can do the same thing a windower can... If you think its "cheating" then don't install ANY plugins, and I can almost guarantee it will still at least be smoother than the SE windower.. which gave me a drop in frame rate so bad, it only lasted about 5 seconds for me.. That's all I can say =/
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By Ifrit.Kungfuhustle 2009-07-23 13:27:23  
LMFAO! Anthony Anderson FTW!
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By Asura.Artemicion 2009-07-23 13:47:42  
Looks like someone has a small pee-pee and has to go rate down everyone they disagree with.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2009-07-23 13:49:21  
Artemicion said:
Looks like someone has a small pee-pee and has to go rate down everyone they disagree with.


It always happens in threads like this.
if a thread is either about opinion or QQ
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By Gilgamesh.Alyria 2009-07-23 13:49:42  
I use windower but I don't use any of the plugins like the wireframe stuff. I just care for the time on spells and distance.

Guess we all need a little Windower Anonymous
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By Fairy.Xxnumbertwoxx 2009-07-23 14:08:52  
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I find it a waste of time trying to defend using something not native to the game, and expecting all people to agree that it's ok.

Doesn't matter how many people use it, it's still something third-party made. Enough trying to justify it lol.

Easiest thing is to just start being honest and say "I have an advantage over some". Personally, I enjoy smart work instead of hard work (the plugins).


Exactly! Well played, sir ^^
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By Remora.Dubont 2009-07-23 14:09:06  
Ryezen said:
Artemicion said:
There's really no reason for anyone to get so uppity over this. It's quite simple really: If you use it, fine. If you're skeptical, try it (you can always delete it if it's not your cup of tea). If you hate it and think it's cheating, STFU. Nobody deserves to be alienated by someone else's self-absorbed, arrogant, moral high-horse riding ***.

/goes to look for Jaerik's famous post regarding this.

Not tryin' to get "uppity" on anyone; all I'm sayin' is it "Grinds my Gears" when someone's vagina gets all sore over being confronted with the fact that using plug-ins is cheating.

Using this site is cheating too.
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