Sigurd's Descendants: The Art Of Dragon Slaying.

Ahhhh, even hints of validation feel pretty good.

Crit def bonus likely flubbing your ws numbers a bit, plus drakes had some atk penalty to it didnt it?

Drakes is terrible in Dynamis due to the attack penalty, same issue Resolution has. Geomancy debuffs have a 75% reduction on "NM's" (Champion mobs and Wave bosses) so there is no easy magic Idris-Frailty capping attack. Instead we need to pay attention to attack buffs's while stacking defense down buffs on those boss mobs. A WS with a heavy attack penalty on a job that doesn't have naturally high attack is really gonna hurt inside there. Neither Trish Stardiver or Shining One Impulse suffer from that attack issue so those would likely do better inside Dynamis.


Also you don't need to "cancel" anything, this isn't an action RPG where your attack round waits for the animation to finish. Every WS has a 2s pause in your attack round, after that 2s (server side) is finished you will automatically start attacking again even if the client is still in the middle of an animation. Counters and Retaliations can both proc during animations. The only thing JA0 is letting you do is input another command without waiting for the animation to clear first. I've done WS's and had watched my TP go from ~300 to over 1K in the middle of the animation before.

Just thought I would bump this. Nothing more.

All JA's, reguardless of animation length, are instant use and have a 2s pause in your attack round. FFXI is not an action MMO, it's made after the original Everquest style.

What your likely confusing is thinking that WS animation and JA animation have some sort of bearing on your attack speed, they don't. We can edit the .dats and set the animation for a WS or JA to exactly 1 frame and it will still have the same 2s delay to attack round. There is no such thing as "animation cancel" in FFXI.

How is this for a DRG hybrid set:

ItemSet 368495

Could switch ammo back to Ginsen and be 1 PDT from cap but the status resist seems valuable since dragoon kinda has a hole in terms of serious meva gear?

That's not really a hybrid build, that is a full DT build, but hey.... DRG can do that.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Here_Be_DRGs#DT_Ideas_and_Misc

Yeah, that seems like a reasonable take to me. The Odin pieces have blurred the line between hybrid DD and DT sets, especially for dragoon where you don't always need as much gear haste. They have a nice spread of stats to where you aren't giving up a ton of dps for them.

that's a difficult take to have
the guide has "too much information" because the layperson will go into AH or look at a gearswap with the best gear and say "okay, but what do i get before then??", so it serves to bridge the gap and try to cover every level of necessity/progression

niche sets are niche for a reason, and the only time you're getting them is if you're fulfilling those niches
naturally, if you aren't, you won't be going out of your way to obtain them

any further suggestions can be discussed in the talk page, or feel free to establish and fill out the Community DRG guide.

maybe we're on different pages here, but
dismissing the guide's information as "too much" or the niche sets being passable because it's a "giant waste of inventory space" does seem like you're trying to express what content should be on there. in a game basically revolving around the concept of min-maxing, niche sets do have a purpose, indifferent to how tiny the gains may be.

regardless of the matter, it's comprehensive to the point anyone should be able to understand and the staff is available to help should anyone ask.

at most it just seems you couldn't be bothered disseminating any relevant information and gave a passive-aggressive statement on the guide.

in any case, sirris' question has been answered, so that's the end of my participation on the matter

Thanks for answering my question. I'm kinda coming back to dragoon so I was thinking about hybrid in the way that a warrior or samurai would, where you pull hate and need to survive getting your face beat in, but you still want to do damage and kill the thing. For DRG it's more like, eh, that's his problem now.

For what it's worth I think Spicy's guide is great but I don't know if I'd ever have the inventory space to build all of those sets, unless they give us another wardrobe or two, lol. It's useful to have the information out there in any case for the community anyway.

I see what you’re trying to say. It can be somewhat overwhelming when you’re looking at a new job for the first time and see a ton of sets, not sure which are most relevant and which aren’t.

It still comes across as kind of a petty backhanded compliment though. It’s definitely not the guide’s fault for being thorough and having sets for every niche situation. If someone is confused by it, they should learn more about the job first in the intro sections before looking at the job gearsets. The guide shouldn’t have to include a note with every set mentioning whether the set is very niche and low yield to obtain, that’s for the player to decide.

I’ve been playing since the beginning and I share that dude’s view.

The guide is so dense I get information overload quite often when I go there. And I generally have all the sets in it.

Genuinely, how does that even happen. I mean like, you copy paste the set. and that's it. What information is there really to get overloaded on, especially on a job like drg where it's literally 2-3 sets, with absolutely zero conditional changes.

Can hit it - can't hit it - immatryreallyhardnottodie

If you look at that guide and your mind melts, then jesus christ- what happens to you when you look at almost any other job's guide.

The pup and BST guides come to mind. If you're confused by a few DD sets, a million variables for pet configurations, use etc. is gonna brain you.

Man, everyone here must thrive on hyperbole. I didn't say I was confused, I said that the way that the drg guide presents the information is overwhelming, even for veterans.

At any point in time there can be up to 12 sets on the page, with very little text. I understand the sets, but the format of the DRG guide specifically (and pup for that matter) makes my eyes bleed.

2nd job adjustment for DRG this year. I can see PLDs crying in the corner XD

I feel like anything we get from the October update is going to be just extra. Dragoon is already in a pretty good place. What I'd like to see:

1. Call Wyvern timer reduced to 5 minutes like Call Beast. Not a huge thing but a nice little quality-of-life boost.

2. Attack penalty removed from Drakesbane.

3. One additional level PDL trait.

I'd like another tier of Smite, personally.

Don’t forget us blu

No, but it'd make Ryu even stronger.