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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:15:16  
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I'm not arguing facts, nor trying to persuade you. I'm saying atheists mannerism is offensive because you're ignorant with how non-denomination Christians think

If by non-denomination christian you mean you, I'm not ignorant at all about how a delusional person thinks, I just usually recommend them to visit the nearest psych ward for treatment.

I've met plenty of christians, I'm surrounded by them, of all different flavors and by jolly you're a first, and hopefully a last.

But while we're playing the "offensive" card, personally I find the concept that we require a higher power to exist, or that we couldn't possibly perceive such a being is extremely offensive, but I'm not sitting here whining about it, as well I'm an adult. I'm sorry that you have the delusion that somehow you're being persecuted when people are tired of your ***, but get used to it.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:16:44  
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You say you get along with gnostic theists, and yet anytime any mentions being religious you have to be right there calling them stupid.

I have to admit, if nobody brought up religion around me, I'd basically never think of it, but when someone starts attributing easily explainable things to "god", I get a little perturbed. Mostly for the fact that people have worked tirelessly to figure things out, and when you claim that "god did it", it is tantamount to waiting for someone to build a giant construction, then saying "god built it, you didn't do crap".

I'm more annoyed with people injecting religious sentiment into completely secular things like I need them to explain the world to me, or like a religious person has x-ray vision and sees things I could never see.

I mostly have an issue with people resorting to beliefs over facts basically at the start. Or those who try to give credibility to faith healing, mystics, acupuncturists, chiropractors, or other pseudoscience that has little to no credible merit.

Or people who's first reaction to something odd happening being "a ghost did it" or "the place is haunted" instead of trying to figure out what caused something. Door creaked? faulty foundation? lights flickered? poor cycles in your power? etc.

I even personally believe a few things that don't have much if any merit behind them, but I keep those to myself and rarely talk about them, one of which turns out to have had some merit behind it, but is shakey now due to some other evidence, but I'm ok with that.

That's one thing ive always had issues with.
There actually are some ppl out there who have studied religion across the centuries and can actually have an academic discussion on any related topic. Even tho i might think there beliefs are foolish (depending what they personally believe), i can at least respect someone that can hold up an argument academically.

But more often then not we just come across ppl arguing with blind faith. No fact, no evidence, no basic logic... irritates the hell out of me. - The most recent example; i was reading a comment left by a pastor in response to other comments on a bad religion song. (interesting in and of itself almost) He said that If your moral alignment is good and in line with gods, then that alignment is PROOF of gods existence. ... ... ...
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:18:16  
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Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:19:11  
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He said that If your moral alignment is good and in line with gods, then that alignment is PROOF of gods existence. ... ... ...
I want to have an aneurysm just from reading that.

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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-15 23:19:29  
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.

You're funny. Good luck getting your "statistical evidence" to actually mean anything.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:20:07  
yea, i had to do a triple take on that on... figured i must have read it wrong... multiple times...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 23:21:52  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.

You're funny. Good luck getting your "statistical evidence" to actually mean anything.

Someone once told me that statisticians are basically number mages.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:22:00  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.

You're funny. Good luck getting your "statistical evidence" to actually mean anything.
3/5 loldrks like to cut themselves, the other 2 couldn't figure out how to set up macros. (idk, some pointless aimless remark).
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:23:19  
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Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.

You're funny. Good luck getting your "statistical evidence" to actually mean anything.
It's just a reference to a really strong correlation, would need time to study and review the methods to claim more-so.
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By Kooljack 2014-09-15 23:23:49  
"what they've done over the years", see your categorizing people who join a community of believers..

you also believe that because religions have by definition fit underneath the umbrella of cult' that it applies to all religious people.

my offense was with how many times i read religion in aethists posts, and not varing the word up to believers or something else at times. because then you perpetuate that cult like thinking too all religions.

because some religions have screwed up thier ***and made them look cult like you then just said now that it affects everyone else who is religious essentially proving my point about how you view what your talking about. your bias'ed and pig-headed with no intellectual enlightenment about the current state of non-denominational religion.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-15 23:26:49  
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
not to mention that you're ignoring the very strong statistical evidence in the generalizations, but the truth is hard for some people to swallow.

Pulling the stats card with me? Risky move, young Padawan.
*** I'm a master.

You're funny. Good luck getting your "statistical evidence" to actually mean anything.
It's just a reference to a really strong correlation, would need time to study and review the methods to claim more-so.

Even if the correlation is really there, it proves nothing. "Higher intelligence" does not equal "always correct".
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-09-15 23:27:32  
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Its about creationists versus evolutionists at this point in the eyes of many. you either believe we're *** monkeys with no solid proof of evolution, or you can believe in something without seeing. how is it that something so amazing as life, came from nothing? for me it is easier to believe there is a higher power then the monkey theory
Your understanding of evolution is superficial at best. It'd be more accurate to say it's easier for you to believe in creationist teaching because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) the basic tenets of evolution.
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By Ragnarok.Harpunnik 2014-09-15 23:27:39  
Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 23:29:03  
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You're biased and pig-headed with no intellectual enlightenment about the current state of non-denominational religion.

1. Sorry, had to point out the spelling errors in your "intellectual" rant.
2. Non-denominational religion? I'd love to hear you explain what that is.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:30:04  
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They say they're going to pre-board those passengers in need of special assistance. Cripples! Simple honest direct language. There is no shame attached to the word cripple that I can find in any dictionary. No shame attached to it, in fact it's a word used in bible translations. Jesus healed the cripples. Doesn't take seven words to describe that condition. But we don't have any cripples in this country anymore. We have The physically challenged. Is that a grotesque enough evasion for you? How about differently abled. I've heard them called that. Differently abled! You can't even call these people handicapped anymore. They'll say, "Were not handicapped. Were handicapable!" These poor people have been bullshitted by the system into believing that if you change the name of the condition, somehow you'll change the condition. Well, hey cousin, ppsssspptttttt. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen!!

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seemed applicable..
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:30:12  
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"what they've done over the years", see your categorizing people who join a community of believers..

you also believe that because religions have by definition fit underneath the umbrella of cult' that it applies to all religious people.

my offense was with how many times i read religion in aethists posts, and not varing the word up to believers or something else at times. because then you perpetuate that cult like thinking too all religions.

because some religions have screwed up thier ***and made them look cult like you then just said now that it affects everyone else who is religious essentially proving my point about how you view what your talking about. your bias'ed and pig-headed with no intellectual enlightenment about the current state of non-denominational religion.

People are judged by the company they keep, get over it.

As for line#2: No I don't, I explicitly stated otherwise.

Without knowing exactly what you're talking about here, I can't say anything about it, as there's probably 100 different posts with each a different subject.

You keep confusing organized religion with people who have religion, I understand that it's hard for you to separate the things, and yes organized religions are cults.

Regardless if you belong to the particular sect, you're still a christian and all of the negativity associated with that carries with you, regardless of how much you don't want it to, or try for it not to. You cannot separate yourself from it, it's not going to happen.

Jassik said it awhile ago: this is what you're saying;

Odin.Jassik said: »
TL:DR - I don't like being grouped in with other Christians.


well too *** bad, you are.

As for the ad-hominem: lol grow up dude, you're no shining example of any enlightenment yourself, and there's no "current state" it hasn't changed in years, to try to claim that it has, or that it's basically an argument of creationism (which if there's any argument for non-denominational chirstianity: that is definitely not it, as there's several sects and subsects that admit and coexist with evolution).

But go on trying to pretend that you're better than anyone when you're just a mere child who really has no idea.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:32:44  
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Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD

lolpics? in a thread titled "Obamas war without congress approval"?
he might be a joke, ill give you that. But i would be expecting many lolpics on it..
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:33:30  
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Even if the correlation is really there, it proves nothing. "Higher intelligence" does not equal "always correct".
Never said it proved anything or was always correct.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:34:26  
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They say they're going to pre-board those passengers in need of special assistance. Cripples! Simple honest direct language. There is no shame attached to the word cripple that I can find in any dictionary. No shame attached to it, in fact it's a word used in bible translations. Jesus healed the cripples. Doesn't take seven words to describe that condition. But we don't have any cripples in this country anymore. We have The physically challenged. Is that a grotesque enough evasion for you? How about differently abled. I've heard them called that. Differently abled! You can't even call these people handicapped anymore. They'll say, "Were not handicapped. Were handicapable!" These poor people have been bullshitted by the system into believing that if you change the name of the condition, somehow you'll change the condition. Well, hey cousin, ppsssspptttttt. Doesn't happen. Doesn't happen!!

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seemed applicable..
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 23:34:48  
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Kooljack said: »
Its about creationists versus evolutionists at this point in the eyes of many. you either believe we're *** monkeys with no solid proof of evolution, or you can believe in something without seeing. how is it that something so amazing as life, came from nothing? for me it is easier to believe there is a higher power then the monkey theory
Your understanding of evolution is superficial at best. It'd be more accurate to say it's easier for you to believe in creationist teaching because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) the basic tenets of evolution.



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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:35:02  
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Its about creationists versus evolutionists at this point in the eyes of many. you either believe we're *** monkeys with no solid proof of evolution, or you can believe in something without seeing. how is it that something so amazing as life, came from nothing? for me it is easier to believe there is a higher power then the monkey theory
Your understanding of evolution is superficial at best. It'd be more accurate to say it's easier for you to believe in creationist teaching because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) the basic tenets of evolution.

agreeing with pleebo.... ok, time to go to sleep.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:38:19  
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Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-15 23:39:39  
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Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.

A couple millennia of role reversal might change their definition of persecution.
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By Kooljack 2014-09-15 23:40:06  
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You keep confusing organized religion with people who have religion, I understand that it's hard for you to separate the things, and yes organized religions are cults.



THIS PROVES YOUR IGNORANT thinking in regards to how modern non-denomination Christians view themselves. see you clarified directly what i knew you're already biased opinion on religion really is. connect them directly to cults. you sir are an ***. good day.


Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.

Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.

Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.

Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.

Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.

Jetackuu said: »
and yes organized religions are cults.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:40:44  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Kooljack said: »
Its about creationists versus evolutionists at this point in the eyes of many. you either believe we're *** monkeys with no solid proof of evolution, or you can believe in something without seeing. how is it that something so amazing as life, came from nothing? for me it is easier to believe there is a higher power then the monkey theory
Your understanding of evolution is superficial at best. It'd be more accurate to say it's easier for you to believe in creationist teaching because you don't understand (or don't want to understand) the basic tenets of evolution.

agreeing with pleebo.... ok, time to go to sleep.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:41:30  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.

A couple millennia of role reversal might change their definition of persecution.

Here's the thing: most atheists (at least of those I've met) aren't that sick, but I guess maybe with group mentality.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:43:54  
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Jetackuu said: »
You keep confusing organized religion with people who have religion, I understand that it's hard for you to separate the things, and yes organized religions are cults.

THIS PROVES YOUR IGNORANT thinking in regards to how modern non-denomination Christians view themselves. see you clarified directly what i knew you're already biased opinion on religion really is. connect them directly to cults. you sir are an ***. good day.
Kooljack said: »

THIS PROVES YOUR IGNORANT


Kooljack said: »

YOUR IGNORANT

Not at all, but this proves you are.

I never said that all religious people belong to cults, but all organized religions by definition are also cults.

I'm not an ***, but you seem to confuse telling the truth with being an *** or being mean, or being biased or attacking you.

I really think you may need to go sit with a shrink and talk to them about your persecution complex.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:46:14  
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Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.

A couple millennia of role reversal might change their definition of persecution.

Ive seen many ppl call the whole atheist group a bunch of self indulging ***'s shoving there belief in everyone's faces. (of course ive never heard those ppl admit it could be the person not a group despite using that argument for themselves. - And pretty much most groups are doing that anyway) BUT in there defense, at least millions of ppl haven't been killed for there beliefs.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-15 23:47:20  
Odin.Godofgods said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Jetackuu said: »
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Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.

A couple millennia of role reversal might change their definition of persecution.

Ive seen many ppl call the whole atheist group a bunch of self indulging ***'s shoving there belief in everyone's faces. (of course ive never heard those ppl admit it could be the person not a group despite using that argument for themselves. - And pretty much most groups are doing that anyway) BUT in there defense, at least millions of ppl haven't been killed for there beliefs.
Atheists (as a group) don't have beliefs, a lack of a belief is not a belief. Even going by the more popular and less accurate definition even a disbelief in a god/gods isn't a set of beliefs.

Tell me though: when was the last time you saw an atheist shove a belief in anyone's face, go door to door with empty pamphlets, or terrorize any group of people for not believing (lol) what they do?

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By Odin.Godofgods 2014-09-15 23:48:37  
Jetackuu said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Good grief this forum is religion obsessed. I came here looking for lolpics and made the mistake of clicking on this thread, this forum never changes xD
Actually it's changed quite a bit, except for certain particular individuals who think they're persecuted by the mean 'ol atheists.

A couple millennia of role reversal might change their definition of persecution.

Here's the thing: most atheists (at least of those I've met) aren't that sick, but I guess maybe with group mentality.

Quote:
Edwards: Why the big secret? People are smart. They can handle it.

Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow.
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