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Does islam require forced conversions?
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 17:48:02
Asura.Refreshazure said: » and hopefully inherit my rational judgment in order to fix the bigger problems with the world.
I can't but help notice how incredibly full of yourself you are.
Cerberus.Tikal
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-09-23 17:48:57
It's only because you don't understand him that you insult him, Ravael.
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Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-23 17:49:17
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 17:50:08
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life To be fair life would be quite boring if it were 'perfect.'
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Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-23 17:51:50
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life To be fair life would be quite boring if it were 'perfect.'
That's what the media make you believe so you choose hell instead of heaven it's all part of the illuminati plan!
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-09-23 17:51:59
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
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Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 17:52:29
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life Even if this guy is trolling, or just fake in general, that is fairly inconsequential. It's not like it'd make me mad or anything.
However, even if fake if he actually believes what he says(so not a troll, but we're dealing with an actual delusion)it is frankly quite concerning how he'd treat those potential children.
Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-23 17:52:54
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-23 17:53:11
Woah! Did this just slide into eugenics? Errr...Good luck with that?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 17:55:41
Asura.Refreshazure said: » and hopefully inherit my rational judgment in order to fix the bigger problems with the world.
I can't but help notice how incredibly full of yourself you are. It's merely an utopia.
See it that way:
Let's say he's that good and he manages to raise a kid with what he wrote. The kid will most likely be devastated on the feelings and personality side.
He's giving up part of his child's sanity in order to make it what he thinks is the "perfect human".
This is why it is an utopia, you can never have everything. Einstein is a very good example of this.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 17:58:15
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act. Mensa isn't really a good thing to mention when talking about intelligence/high IQs. The numbers of geniuses that do not want anything to do with Mensa is greater than the number of geniuses joining their ranks.
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 17:58:47
*insert Elanabelle picture*
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Caitsith.Zahrah
By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-23 18:00:26
Awwwww yeah! Hey, baby! Are you enjoying that pinot noir? I'll throw on some Al Green, then we can do some punnet squares to see where this takes us!
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Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 18:00:59
This is what you said: Asura.Refreshazure said: »I will raise a son or daughter under one of the most incredibly strict education standards possible they will live and and all they will know is studying an school yeah, you don't seem to quite understand as well as you say.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-23 18:02:34
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: » and hopefully inherit my rational judgment in order to fix the bigger problems with the world.
I can't but help notice how incredibly full of yourself you are. It's merely an utopia.
See it hat way:
Let's say he's that good and he manages to raise a kid with what he wrote. The kid will most likely be devastated on the feelings and personality side.
He's giving up part of his child's sanity in order to make it what he thinks is the "perfect human".
This is why it is an utopia, you can never have everything. Einstein is a very good example of this.
Do you think I am blindly following my research I understand that emotional stimulus is also needed in order to improve brain activity and intelligence. environment is also a factor.
here she will be well-balanced you don't have to worry about that.
What good would extremely intelligent individual be if he or she cannot function the environment he or she needs to change. Every parents with average intelligence and above want to raise their children to be better than them, to be closer to "perfection". It is only natural.
However, there are so many things to take into consideration that you'll very quickly understand two things.
First, you'll never be able to even cover everything that matters, so you'll have to make sacrifices.
Second, you are human, you will *** up many of those things and there is no rewind button, your child will keep that in his or her memory, making this tiny mistake a lifelong memory of failure for them.
Raising children isn't easy, raising them the way you seem to want to is beyond Dante Must Die difficulty.
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Asura.Ccl
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-09-23 18:02:42
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life
I really hope it's an act. That would make so much more sense.
He doesn't even know what mensa is and think higher IQ = better conversation(It is 100% false), so he is indeed an act. Mensa isn't really a good thing to mention when talking about intelligence/high IQs. The numbers of geniuses that do not want anything to do with Mensa is greater than the number of geniuses joining their ranks.
When you first find out you're a "zebre"(french word for it), you kinda understand your whole life till that, and it is one of the first group you look into at first, then staying or leaving is totally up to you, but knowing you're not alone and talking to people help a ***ton to understand why you always felt "out of place" and why it will always be like that.
Lakshmi.Aelius
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2014-09-23 18:03:19
Violent Religion.
Religion is funny, though no punchline.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 18:04:19
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life To be fair life would be quite boring if it were 'perfect.'
That's what the media make you believe so you choose hell instead of heaven it's all part of the illuminati plan!
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Siren.Sieha
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By Siren.Sieha 2014-09-23 18:06:10
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You're all over these religious threads. Did a priest touch you when you were little?
You know I didnt read hardly any of it. All I heard was, I cant play ffxi so I am here to jump on every topic I can cause I am bored. Kinda sad actually.
That aside you do really seem to have a bug up your *** about religion in general so it makes me think that at some point you were harmed by it. Did religion rape you?
Valefor.Sehachan
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-23 18:07:08
What is this?
cause if I actually understood what you're talking about I have something to disagree on
Lakshmi.Aelius
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By Lakshmi.Aelius 2014-09-23 18:08:05
That aside you do really seem to have a bug up your *** about religion in general so it makes me think that at some point you were harmed by it. Did religion rape you?
Seeing that you'd have to be up there to see what is actually there, friendly advice; Don't touch the walls.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-23 18:10:59
That aside you do really seem to have a bug up your *** about religion in general so it makes me think that at some point you were harmed by it. Did religion rape you?
Seeing that you'd have to be up there to see what is actually there, friendly advice; Don't touch the walls. Keep calm and stroke the furry wall.
There is no question that many people have been killed by those who wish to convert others to their religion. It's not just Muslims killing Christians, it has happened for just about every religion out there.
Specifically about islam, though, I'm trying to understand more about what various religious writings have. From what I can find, there are statements from Muhammad that both dictate forced conversion as well as statements that dictate leaving others in peace.
For example, here's a statement that appears to be forcing conversion: Quote: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
And here's one that says leave people alone: Quote: I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.
Are these really just contradictory messages? I know religious questions are effectively impossible to answer, so I'd like to phrase things this way: Are Muhammad's writings 100% for forced conversion, 100% against, or do they give conflicting advice?
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