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Funkworkz you are missed

I fear for the day when core members that maintain BG/AH/Windower decides to stop.

He absolutely is, but we just don't know how to do whatever it is that he does. I'm sure someone would LOVE to pick it up and dump it onto BG, but we just don't know how to do it.

Plus, whenever people start a new "[Month] Version Update" thread on their own (and it's not purple text), it's viewed as the ghetto version. Gets largely ignored, until Funk posts his official thread, then that becomes the staple we use for the remainder of the month. And we forget about the other one.

So even if we could do whatever Funk does, would feel weird reading it in a thread that wasn't officially started by him

(my opinion here, irrelevant in grand scheme)

Load Bearing Funkworkz is the least ideal situation so I sure would like some backup people!

>it's boring everything is solved!

>why are you making us wait on solving everything via tools immediately?!

Plenty of people know how to do it. Windower (through ResourceExtractor) and Ashita both dump the item dat data. It's a matter of an hour or two to use existing knowledge to make a process that generates the correct output format including the images.

What we don't have is the backdrop used for their screenshots, the desired format specification, or the administrative privileges used for the import process. Right now, it looks like he runs a script on a local copy of the wiki files then does an import of all of them. I can see why they wouldn't want to give that access to randoms. However, it's been indicated during past updates that parts of the process are still manual for them, and at the very least they could accept help making it easier.

Trying to contribute items one at a time or do manual edits isn't likely to be helpful to their process. Using a bot to do it as normal edits is clunky and taxes the servers more plus could come off as condescending or rude. So, as long as they aren't interested in collaboration it's kind of stuck. I don't fault Funk for not dropping everything to update; it just seems like a more robust process could be established to remove the Funk-specific steps and a couple more trusted people could be given access to run it.

Nobody is talking about using tools to solve how to tackle content or play the game. It's a matter of providing the game's already known information in an understandable, digestible format. The more updates that go by without information being appropriately added to the wiki, the more the community struggles to understand how mechanics and systems in the game work.

If it was that important, why don't the developers just tell you everything in the patch notes? Why don't all game developers tell you everything day one actually, you have to know afterall?

You act like it's imperative you have to know this stuff day one, it's not. You didn't know the day before the patch, why is it so important to know it on the day of it? Maybe try figure it out or is that a ridiculous concept now?

Impatience (other than people who are trying to $ from getting the information asap)


If it was possible, that would be posted day one too.

There is a balance between making things too transparent and easily understandable vs. so obscure it takes years to test and document. Without wiki would anyone bother to play this game?

As the amount of gear added has slowed guides are less relevant, but man not so long ago you would see gear advice threads or guides posted in daily because most people don't know enough to make every one of those decisions on their own.

Imagine spending 3 months capping out a limbus weapon just to realize theres no payoff at R30 and you went through all that for HP+100