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Exactly what I did. The progression is there, and makes a lot of sense.

But everyone wants shortcuts, or can buy clears on the Asuras. Meh.

Farm, upgrade unity, upgrade trusts, clear V0 for R15, rp that.

That's the progression.

It costs 5/10 izzat for chest/coffer openings once fully upgraded. Well worth the grind to get there.

You only need a V0 clear to unlock the gear.

Oh, you meant "why V1 and not V0", not the words in that post I responded to lol

I have no idea. I know it unlocks augments but you get a pittance of RP so I don't know why they do that, no.

If I understand correctly (don't know firsthand, if I plan to augment something I do a higher tier):

V1 clear lets you buy a few merc runs or leech a few friends RP runs to get to R15. So, if you have little prospect for winning higher tiers anytime soon, it makes more sense to clear a V1 and have that option than to do V0 and not. Seems pretty common for people to do RP with open slots and allow leeching, given the low bar of doing 5% damage. R15 aug is still a pretty substantial boost to stats for most pieces if you'd be using them anyway.

In the example, he's taking himself into V1 so he's already cleared V0 and has access to the gear. If he's already got all the other V0 clears then it probably makes more sense to kill something that isn't dangerous.


There's two separate things going on here though. The V0 clear unlocks access to gear at a cap of rank 15. In order to spend RP, you have to earn RP... which is why you need to clear the V1, but this only needs to be done once and any NM counts for this. I'm not saying it's easy to earn segs, but I feel like there may be people cooking more than they need to by clearing a bunch of V1 NMs when they can already RP their gear :O

Pretty much what Thorny described. I can only speak to Asura (merc culture) server, but with that in mind, there is no reasonable benefit to doing V0 over V1, since V1 also opens up augmenting option. The only people buying a V0 are those ignorant of the augmenting process entirely, and they might just be okay with base gear. Or those who have absolutely zero intention of ever augmenting the gear (RMT, bots etc). If you're buying RP (Bumba/Kalunga is incredibly popular due to a solo BST able to carry 5 and cash out, and the gear is very good), you basically pay once for the gear unlock + ability to augment, rather than buy V0 gear unlock, then a V1 to augment, then pay for RP/run.

I think the people who have limited phones/segs simply pick the NM they get the most bang for their buck and buy that. V1 unlocks augments (once needed only), but if someone only has say 9k segments, it would be dumb to kill a V1 Gogmagog just to have access to augment every item, but can only buy a Coiste Bodhar, when you can kill V1 Kalunga and buy like 7. I'm assuming the people who even bother buying a V1 to begin with have limited segs, which is what is guiding their decision. They might not know the difference between V0 and V1, and that they dont need a V1 clear for every boss, but I don't think it matters in terms of boss difficulty anyways; they still need the unlock, and from my experience, mercs charge same price for either. So it kind of doesn't matter to them either way.

You need at least one overall V1 clear in any tier to unlock augment for all tiers.

If possible, I always did V1 just to be sure they unlock augments, and have some RP to R1 at least.

A lot of newbs don't know they need at least one V1 clear and wonder why they can't augment anything even though they might have RP from failed attempts.

Not talking about mercing, that's an Asura thing. Just getting people clears for nothing.

Tl;Dr - V0 unlocks gear. V1 unlocks augments.

I was on Asura up until the pandemic when it became intolerable (unless you liked waiting an hour between Lilith runs), and I had a mule there for a while so I could still participate in an active economy. I understand what you're saying and I agree, but my initial response was to someone who is soloing so it isn't a merc/leech situation. Mostly a PSA to not spend segs you don't have to :D

The issue really is,

You should do V1, but no one is going to spend their segments to do a V1 with you. And they're not going to take you to win their v20/25 because you don't have R15.

Can't win.

All you can do is grind segments, master pup and overdrive a V1... if you have access to it, which you don't. So you have to grind segments for 6 months, and climb T1 and T2 to get access to it.

Oddyssey had such promise starting out, but if you missed the initial craze you're ***. Normally, they'd have been nerfed and gear crept past and you'd be on time for the next "do it now or be *** later" content. But that didn't happen.