The A.M.A.N. Trove BC

Imagine a real world where billionaires do this.

I don't know why the quote came through like that, but I'll let it be lol. It's funny.

Grats!

Go play lotto bro

I don't count orbs, but I've never seen anything but hand armor either.

Only the hands are in there.

Loud thuds are hands and bodies but also scales and mid-boss crystals because somebody hates you.

oh SE absolutely hates us, or they wouldn't put the scales in loud thuds

"oh boy it's gonna be some kinda crepuscular thing"

Kei's Scale

Just did 117 Mars orbs

LT rate is 5.31%, which compare to my 93 Venus Orbs run with LT rate of 9.78%, it seem that Venus Orbs really do have twice the rate of LT than Mars

Will post more details shortly

From 117 Mars Orbs

Total Chests Opened: 622
Loud Thud: 33 (5.31%)
Thud: 104 (16.72%)
Noise: 403 (64.79%)
Mimics: 82 (13.18%)

Which compared to my previous 93 Venus Orbs of

Total Chest Opened: 491
Loud Thud: 48 (9.78%)
Thud: 120 (24.44%)
Noise: 274 (55.80%)
Mimics: 49 (9.98%)

It seems that Venus Orbs has twice the chance of Loud Thud and 50% higher chance of Thud?

Also I did Loud Thud or Bust

With Mars Orbs out of 117 Orbs
35 Success / 30% (4 was gold chest though...)
82 Bust / 70%

With Venus Orbs out of 93 Orbs
44 Success / 47.3% (2 was gold chest at the end)
49 Bust / 52.7%

Considering the Silver Vouchers spent
With Mars Orbs it was 21.3 Vouchers per Loud Thud
With Venus Orbs it was 19.4 Vouchers per Loud Thud

Tabulated data

Raw data

Quoting myself for Venus Orbs

Not sure what number of chests would need to be run to get out of margin-of-error land but if that is true it means that Venus orbs are a better loud thud to silver voucher ratio than mars orbs.

Well that is something i have been saying for years but always there was the Mars orbs advocates that insisted that mars is the way to go, that venus sucks, that no data, blah blah blah.

For whats worth, back then, my conclusion was that mars and venus were about the same regarding louds/vouchers.

But do notice that, since then, SE added two new mechanism: one is the belligerant sound, that supposelly gives one extra information to players to make decisions, and the 8th open chest win, that seems to alter the remaining chests regardless what they had before the 8th, making one of them explicitly higher quality. Ah, right, and the right of the bat win-chest.

The new additions have the potential to change the approach from mars/venus despite lout thud rate, thats supposed to be very close to either.

A better approach must take in consideration the odds of the following for mars and venus for final decision:

- odds to have a rainbow chest right from start
- odds to have a belligerant sound
- odds to have a loud thud in the terminal chest

Were the LT from terminal chests counted toward the total? Venus terminal doesn't reward noise so I'd be curious to know if LT is more common or if thud pushed noise out of the reward table.

LT from terminal is quite rare, even on venus

I would say below 10%

If it happens more frequently in Venus vs Mars, that would be meaningful. I would also put an asterisk by runs that failed, but had BB message. Just because you didn't find the LT doesn't mean that it shouldn't be counted.


I've always believed there to be only 1 mimic. The odds are in your favor until there are only a few chests remaining and even then, SE gives you the 9th for free.


LT or bust for sure, but I feel like you're leaving prematurely if you get it on the 2nd or 3rd chest and leave. At the very least, you should stick around until the 5th chest just to make sure there isn't a BB.

Everything is tallied in the spoiler and screenshot raw data for both Mars and Venus as per my previous post

Mars


Venus


If you want to play with the data and come to your own conclusion

For Terminal Chests only

Mars
Total 35
LT: 1 (2.9%)
T: 4 (11.4%)
N: 30 (85.7%)

Venus
Total 42
LT: 5 (11.9%)
T: 37 (88.1%)

So for terminal chest, it seems the chance of getting Loud Thud on Venus is the same as the chance of getting Thud on Mars

For terminal coffer only, the chance of a Loud Thud on Venus is 4x that of Mars