Opinions On Rank Of Best Damage Dealers

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Actually it's more like:

1. BLM
2. WAR
3. all else depending on lots of variables

The entire list falls under
3. all else depending on lots of variables.

ESPECIALLY BLM. HNM check. Meriting X, Salvage X, ect. Other DDs *** smash mages on anything that doesn't have some sort of huge level correlation, high defense, phy dmg resist, ect.

WAR doesn't fall under 3. I've yet to see it (Merit, Einherjar, HNM, Salvage, or otherwise) not win parse. Matter of fact on Einherjar (Tiers not Odin we don't take melee) The shell parse is usually: WAR, WAR, WAR, WAR, SAM, WAR, DRK, other DDs In other words our top 4-5 are always some of the WARs.

Melee will always outserve Mages yes, until you put a 15 level gap and NM status on the mob. AU HNMs are another story as 65INT(low) and huge MDB% make it very hard for BLMs to get unresisted nukes. The low INT of the NMs make INT builds much less viable than skill builds, and skill builds offer less Base DMG.

This was an overall blanket opinion anyways Veg, remember you can't narrow it down to (well these mobs have x resistance, or are weak to x) it was just a matter of overall. If you remember leveling those first jobs back in 2003-2004 MBing an AM spell was about 50% of the mobs HP, with the great gear upgrades melees have received over the years, and the weak excuses for mage gear (excluding Morrigan's) added to the fact of the new type of mob SE creates, that has slowly changed.

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Get better sams and drgs

Amano SAMs Also SAMs w/ great Polearm builds, they don't stack up.

DRG's could find better, which is why I'm lvl it next for a merit ***.

Polearm sam don't stack up to war? Bullllllshit

Like I said, get better polearm sams.

If a SAM actually gets close to GA there's a really nifty thing called swapping to /sam and going Polearm as a WAR...and yes it beats SAMs.

Polearm sam > polearm war

5 hit > 6-7 hit you get as war
Don't use aggressor as your argument because I have 92-93% w/ meat on sam and no madrigal
Overwhelm > anything war has
140-160 tp on meditate, 2 min 30 sec recast timer > 3 min recast.

How do you figure that war polearm > sam polearm?

Cause WAR gets Overwhelm, 5hit, Tomoe etc etc...

The odds don't look right, and I'm not claiming to be the end-all of WARs, (I had WAR leveled and then leveled SAM for a better DD) but it just hasn't proven itself. I never worry about a SAM out-parsing me in merit, only other better geared WARs

WAR has Aggressor which with gear like Vegetto's is almost irrelevant and a slightly longer Berserk. WAR has 5% max more Double Attack and Warrior's Charge. Ebody if you have it.

SAM has Overwhelm, 5 hit, a stronger Meditate and a better Polearm.

5hit alone beats the above.

Best DD in the game.

The one that pays attention and trys with good gear.


You can have the best gear in the game and still suck balls. You can have crap gear and still out parse some of the better geared players.

The thing is this, It really depend on how much the player wants to do the most damage. It is all situational so there will never be a clear winner.

Best melee DD? Zerge Drk.

Best Magic DD? BLM (in terms of dmg by single Nukes) /endthread

Edit: My cor has been known to our DD both War and Sam in select Merit ptys (neither had relics/mythics though)

As someone with almost all DD jobs at 66 or higher, I can safely say my best DD is MNK in merits.

I know, people are saying wtfyoudontevengetpiercingweaponsgodie. Clearly you haven't seen a good Faith MNK in action.

Seriously, Hundred Fists speed WITHOUT Haste and March. Add Haste/March on top of that, and it takes ~10 seconds to get TP for a 1k WS. And the WS speed isn't even the impressive part. In that 10 seconds, I have to hit 18 times, and every hit I do is in the mid 70s. That's 1350 damage in 10 seconds, and then a 1k WS. 2350 damage in ~12 seconds, EVERY 12 seconds. Let's see your Polearm SAMs beat that.

Actually, WAR was intended to be half DD and half tank. And it shows because WAR, even perfectly geared, will never outparse a similarly geared DRK, let alone SAMs or RNGs or MNKs.

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Vegetto, the difference between Sam and War with Polearm at birds is actually not that great. They are pretty close. It's not like Polearm Sam is WAY better than Polearm War.

The DA and Retaliation on Wars do count. And it makes up for AT LEAST 1 extra hit. Making 7hit Warriors = 6hit Warriors or 6hit Warriors = 5hit... Also I'd bet that War's would get better WS output.


@Enternius... You're just in love with your job of choice. Good for you.

RNG. And my 14k total damage in a Bahamut Zerg proves it. I'd like to see any other job punch out 2800 Slug > 2800 Barrage > 2800 slug > Wing > 2800 Slug > 2800 EES = 14k.

Also, our linkshells 6 minute JoL packing 4 rangers with a brd and a cor wins.

35k an hour no ring merit parties made up of rng, rng, brd, brd, cor, healer.

Ranger. Win.

Oh, no. I just got told by a delusional WAR, who is so obsessed with it that he can't even admit any other job is worthwhile.

Hypocrite.

Better WS output ignoring Overwhelm and SAM's better weapon <_<

I'm not saying SAM > WAR unconditionally, because that would be dumb. Everything is situational.

However, in the situation of a Greater Colibri merit party, Polearm SAM is very likely the top non-relic DD.

Ranger is a very powerful and versatile DD, this I will agree with. However, wtf made Bahamut live long enough to get those attacks off above <_<

RNG is okay, but you're exaggerating. There's no way a party setup like that would ever get 35k an hour, or even for that matter, 25k. Wasted BRD (The only useful songs a BRD can give to RNGs is Minuet, and there's no reason to waste a whole DD slot just to give 2 people Minuet II and I), and RNG-burn parties have a tendency to not...Ever...Work anymore since like 2003 or whenever the RNG nerf was.

That being said, RNG is a good zerging job, for sure, though it won't beat anything with access to Souleater.

It was my main job for a long time so no, I'm not biased.

What?

Acc+5 > the small D/atk difference assuming noncapped accuracy :p

Engetsuto > Leviathan's Couse.

Tomoe > Engetsuto.

I'll take 3 base dmg > 2.5% hit rate.

Lol Rum, you just came back like 5 minutes ago and already made yourself seem like a total noob.

I beg to differ. Would you care to parse sometime tonight or this weekend?

Also, better WS output? How do you figure? Overwhelm is +19% damage.

I'm sorry what?

When did I say other jobs are not worthwhile? You were the one who PRACTICALLY say Warriors are not worthwhile...

Whoa, you're so cool...